Anti-war mongers

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Speaking personally now, one of the things that angers me is seeing the angry mobs of iraqis, armed with bars rocks and such like, attacking, rioting, endangering OUR troops, after WE have been over there, risking OUR live to sort THEIR sodding country for them.

i say we, i havent really been over there like, but you know what i mean

[harry hackedoff]

Welcome aboard E4W, you have spotted the dipshits then
Not hard, is it
f@#k A, yourself, mac. What branch of the service where you in?
Aye,

[ExCrabMate]

I do not understand the Brittish (especially Lucas wiring)

Ah, Lucas, The Prince of Darkness.
You own a Land Rover then E4W?

[Artist]

Most of my career seemed to consist of fighting the nasty people in the world.

I joined up and just did it because that was what we were ordered to do.

The anti war people are mostly people whose young minds have been influenced by the Loony left Tutors who have the power of Goodness knows what.

The amount of times I have had to leave a room whilst working with these "clever bods" in English Heritage........I've lost count.

Nine times out of ten whenever I have my say they tend to treat me like a Robot who has been programmed to disagree with whatever the conversation takes because according to them that is what the Armed Forces do to people. Very condesending in my view.

I find it best to let them wallow in whatever rubbish they want to lanquish in.

The one time I argued bigtime was not a good day to put it mildly. It revolved around the Roman Empire. I pointed out that without the Legions nothing would have been built. Roads, Cities, etc, etc, The present. Some fool was a wee bit to condescending for my liking. Called him a "Silly Billy" (or something like that!) and nearly lost my job. He was my Boss.

Anyway I digress. there are far to many "lefties" in the education system of "Higher Education". Taught by fools who just loved the idea of Utopia.

I love the idea of Utopia but have enough sense to realise it will never happen as long as Humans are Humans.

Artist

[lew]

Anyway I digress. there are far to many "lefties" in the education system of "Higher Education". Taught by fools who just loved the idea of Utopia.

I love the idea of Utopia but have enough sense to realise it will never happen as long as Humans are Humans.

Artist

Hit the nail on the head there mate...


lew

[Whitey]

I know what you mean artist, those people are a minority of the anti-war. Most of the anti-war folks under the glass are good people who don't want Utopia. They are rational people who see 5 years down the road rather than the here and now. I used to be pro-war and couldn't understand why my war veteran father was anti-war, I realize why now. We try to help those who don't want our help, and we loose life on our side and their's. Unfortunately the fact is our bombs kill more civilians than enemy combatants. I for one support the troops as far as wishing them a safe return, I send over huge food boxes and hope they can find a solution to this seemingly impossible situation. That said as a former soldier I understand full well that if you live by the sword and if you bring the sword you stand the chance of dying by the sword. I also see this conflict as a test of will, much like the dual of Mac Beth and Mac Duff when Mac Beth says"Lay on Mac Duff and damned be the man that first cries out hold enough". I am anti-war, but now that our troops are engaged I am all for winning right or wrong or indifferent. I am however anti-future war unless given no other choice like if my country is invaded other than that I say to each his own. Look at all our wars since ww2, we haven't won any of them in the classic definitive since, we just kick over ant hills and crush them until we get stung enough, then we decide we are tired of playing with the ants and leave them devistated and us sore.
My father still hasn't been able to go see the Vietnam memorial, I sense because he can't face that 30 years later and 58,000 names on our side and an estimated 1.5 million on the other side was for nothing.
I am for war only if we are invaded nowdays or attacked at home. Like the war in Afgahnistan I was and still am for, as for Iraq, what the hell is this all about?
We have some really good people here in the US and to find out they have been misled by the abscence of wmd, the word out now is there was no post Iraq plan and our troops are being set up like road signs during hunting season. In a free democratic country where we supposedly respect the sanctity of human life, we should not commit troops to a war with no plan to win it in it's totality, or on assumptions. Besides Congress never gave a formal declaration of war and the presidential executive order is not legislation, therefore not law therefor illegal according to our constitution as I read it.
As for Afgahnistan I say we needed to finish that first. As for Iraq, they have no Navy, or Air Force, and knew full well that if they further provoked the US the consequences, they were contained. Now ding dong OBL is running the hills moching us.
I am anti-war for the way the wars are being fought, business as usual is disasterous.
The educators that are crying anti-war trying to relive the hippie movement are few actually, their followers are anarchist's, most anti-war folks are just using common sense, and pro-war on Al Queda, but confused on Iraq.

[Artist]

Whitey

A damn good view which I share. When the boys are in it support them. I never thought that the invasion was right. Once in it, I supported them hand over fist.

What I cannot get my head round is the pillocks who think that the forces enjoy it. When I was in all I ever wanted was a nice easy time for myself and my family. Visit the world, meet people in their countries and enjoy the change in lifestyle and most importantly learn all about their countries. For better or worse.

Now, God knows. The two B's, Bush and B'liar. Seem hell bent on making both our countries the Parias of the world.

This time two years ago a terrible event occurred in your country. But, are we getting any answers from Afginistan or Iraq? I think not. Iraq is now the place for any loonytune to visit in order to kill Americans and Brits. Let the Iraqis rule the bloody country and ifen it does not comply with the Wests views on how to govern a country so be it. Just get our boys and girls home ASAP.

Artist

[Dickens]

I definitely see where you're coming from, and agree with you in a lot of the things you said. It is obvious that both publics (US and UK) were mislead as to the reasons for going into Iraq ... ok, so governments lie- the politics was bad. And that makes me angry that we've all been lied to about WMD and the real terrorist threat that Iraq presented to us. Even so, I can't help thinking that Saddaam asked for it. Really, we had every reason to believe he had WMD- 12 years of non-compliance with the UN, a 10,000 page incomplete weapons dossier, and in general, a big to the world.

And when it comes down to it, for me, the ends will justify the means- assuming it will all end well. Irrespective of the mucky politics that led to the invasion/liberation of Iraq- the torture chambers, mass-graves, stories of rape and murder that were discovered made our continued effort worth the price. It bugs me that so many of b******s are so ungrateful for the freedom they now have. But i definitely think it is worth the investment of money and blood for the hope of a working democracy in Iraq.

A faint hope, but a hope nonetheless.

[Sisyphus]

But, are we getting any answers from Afginistan or Iraq? I think not. Just get our boys and girls home ASAP.

Spot on Artist. Bush said the other day something like, "Iraq is now the forefront for terrorism".

Well, it certainly wasn't before the invasion. But you can bet your bottom euro it is now.

As for getting the guys home ASAP I couldn't agree more. But how?? The mind boggles at the complete lack of 'post-victory' planning.

As for Utopia - I thought you said you lived there??

Well, except I popped to the Vine yesterday - it wasn't open - at 5 to 11?? And where were you in the Thursday market? Nowhere to be seen. Or is it your camouflage trg you just can't shake off.

Still, Peppers at 2 meals for 1 was superb. Yeah, yeah, I'm tight!

[sp10122]

As for getting the guys home ASAP I couldn't agree more. But how?? The mind boggles at the complete lack of 'post-victory' planning.

It's ludicrous isn't it. I put this on another page:

The mistake I feel we (yes British as well) have made is in not having a proper plan for after the war has finished. The Department for International Development (so magically headed by Claire Short - thank f**k she resigned) should have had in place much of the people ready to get the place up and running again as soon as possible post-war and so should have the US. The Iraqi people were initially very happy to be liberated but as then they were without power, water, food and fuel they started to think - well, we've got democracy but my quality of life has gone tits up.

We need to get the support of the Iraqi people by getting the infra structure right and getting a legitimate govt into place. The US is right in getting the UN involved to leave Iraq with a multi-national force in place.

How no one thought about this pre-war is astounding. It means the lads are now having to control riots and discontent that would have been massively reduced had power and so on had been up and running in a month or so.

And that's not including every terrorist and his uncle flooding to Iraq to shoot and blow up Westerners.


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[japslapper]

Anti-war mongerers certainly don't live in the real world. I will admit to you chaps they defeated me:

Aged 18 I passed RM officer selection. Lefties and Mum ( the old bat) said ...think...think......and I said OK.....I will think. I decided to go to Uni just to make sure that Joining the RM is what I want to do.......I went to medical school (to please my folks)......I quit in Year 4 and eloped to Japan with a nice bit of Asian pussy (its true and very pleasurable )....I am still here now. Aged 26. I have been thinking and thinking. .........

I f@#k up. I f@#k up I should have done what I set out to do. I watch the news on TV and just thought if Id joined RM I would be a Captain by now and actually having an adventure! I would be perhaps contributing something - nation building perhaps?

Here I have lots of asian women jumping on me which is nice but I mean this place .......at the local swimming pool its only 1m deep but has 45 gurads on duty at anyone time - the safety mentality here is mad!

For the last 5 months I have toyed with going back to the UK and joining the Marines......but yes 26 is cut off for Officers - but really you need to be out on the job by 22......Expereince while young is survival....

I regret it like nothing - In the military you get so much confidence and self respect - there is no other way of getting it. An induction into the real world while your young is vital and if you do 3 or so years you can still chase Asian pussy afterwards........

I say to you guys if you wanna do it. Do it. Learn from this old man that delay means f@#k up! 0X

.....My decision - get back to UK and finish med school and joing RN/RM as a Medical Officer - I will get that green lid that way

[Sisyphus]

My nephew joined as a Marine at 27. You could try that and go for a commission once you're in.

[sp10122]

Sandhurst will take entrants up to 29.

[japslapper]

My nephew joined as a Marine at 27. You could try that and go for a commission once you're in.

Wow - any problems? I have heard that joining a "few years late" can either be harder though I suppose maturity would help and make you less likely to quit in training....


I depends what your doing before you join. I mean if you were a gym instructor or cop then its not much of a transition.

I could go in the RM - I have 10 months of time left for Officer entry and 2 years for Marine - but really since being in Japan my fitness has dropped and so on. But I tell you what by living here I have learnt to eat raw animals (anything except pork) - I ate raw minke whale the other day (not bad ) ....and I have slept on a floor and shat in a `ole in the ground for over 2 years.

Its decision time......

I suppose having learnt Japanese could be an asset.... The Japs have just built two Invincible class carriers !and they have a pacafist constitution(bolloxs )......they will either be trouble(likley) or help for future opperations.....

[japslapper]

Sandhurst will take entrants up to 29.

yeah but only for the wossey jobs such as Adjutant generals corps. Infantry is same as marines 26/27. AAC and Intelliegnce Corps like people before aged 24.

MOs can join up to the age of 55.......

I know of a chap who is achieving the ultimate ...having achieved a BSc and a Phd in computers - got himself into 23SAS and into the triatholon UK top 100 then went on to study medicine ......pretty cool hah. Killing at the weekends and stiching up during the week. Amazing chap