Why are officers and doctors evil?
What have they done wrong now?
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Hyperlithe wrote:Why are officers and doctors evil?
For the same reason homosexuals are evil.
[i]To think of the future and wait was merely another way of saying one was a coward; any idea of moderation was just another attempt to disguise one's unmanly character; ability to understand the question from all sides meant that one was totally unfitted for action; fanatical enthusiasm was the mark of a real man -- Thucydides[/i]
I dont believe they should be allowed to serve. Unfortunately we now have an ITD called moral understanding its a bit of a debate about the rights and wrongs of some issues. We had a couple of girls come down and take us for it and the subject of homosexuals came up. I spoke out against it as did a couple of others and they more or less made the point that it was us that had the problem and not the homosexuals.
Colonel whats his name 1 Royal Irish speach guy. Had a problem with homosexuals in his batalion and chose to turn a blind eye. The end result one young soldier shot himself after being raped by an NCO who was known to have a history of this sort of abuse.
There's a big difference between being gay and being an abuser. That's like saying you should have separate troops for men and women (or that one gender shouldn't serve) because women might get raped. A guy that rapes another guy isn't even necessarily gay, rape is about exertion of power and control more than it is about sex.
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Think about it this way - Do you want to sleep with every single woman that you see? Would you rape a woman because you wanted to sleep with her and she wasn't interested? I'm betting the answer to both those questions is no.
So why do you think a gay guy is going to fancy you? Even just supposing for a minute that they did, they would have worked out darn fast that they weren't your type and got over it. They aren't going to try it on with someone who is obviously straight! And as for worrying about them checking out your back view, odds are you're spending a whole lot more time thinking about it than they are...
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Redhand wrote: . . . As far as this Spartan scenario is concerned, ill get back to you on that Kat. Give me a couple of days to go through some books.
May I suggest The Spartan Reflections by Prof. Paul Cartledge, In fact any of his books on Sparta are extremely well informed, then again I maybe a wee bit bias as he was my lecturer on the Spartan Civilisation for a year.
And I have to agree with Hyperlithe, about rape certainly being about the power exerted and nothing to do with sex.
Ok Hyper... Im with you there and have to agree...... BUT what about the rape of the squaddies at Deepcut by a Scroat of a sgt instructer. the poor littel bugger on the receiving end of him didn't want his attention... I am agin' the acceptance of ant Gay in the services especially in cases like this...... Tho I do understand your point......and of course I have a Phd. in Fences sitting!!
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Mike
The Honourable Lord Mike of Loch Borralan
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True Mike, but the problem wasn't that he was gay, it was that he was twisted and evil. Just as 99.99% of straight men don't rape women, 99.99% of gay men don't rape other men. I'm entirely with you on the fact that someone knew that guy was sick and could have stopped him. But they are two separate issues, and we shouldn't class all gay men by his standard. (Is he gay? I don't know all the details of that case) I'm sure you would say the same to a girl who had been raped...
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I remember a lecture on Military Law and why you only ever lock blokes up in threes, or singley. Never in twos.
Geordie stripey" cause in the morning, you`ll end up with a young lad with a very sore arse, or a filled-in beefer!" Larf?
I`m not a fan of homosexuality in the Armed Forces but as long as it`s not compulsary.....
Beefers in the mob have been around since before there even was a mob. One of the toughest Bootys I ever knew, was gay. He lives openly with a young lad and they are both very happy, thank you very much. I knew he was gay and couldn`t give a shite, then or now. I`ve said elsewhere, that being gay is one thing, being a gay activist is summat else. Look at the Association of Gay Police Officers, for fark`s sake. Or even worse, women in the Fire Brigade. Standards of fitness were dropped because female recruits stood no chance of attaining them. Claiming discrimination, and successfully sueing variose Brigades, women in the Fire Brigades are now looked on with disdain and distrust by their male counterparts. Because they are simply not capable of doing the same job as men, they are moved into non-jobs. Not that this causes much resentment, obviously
I don't know what "activist" really means. If homosexuality was simply accepted as the uncommon but otherwise unremarkable human variation that it is, then there wouldn't be any need for "activists" would there? Has anyone ever seen a "red hair activist" or a "red hair pride" event? But I bet you'd eventually see those things if the society started slandering people with red hair.
[i]To think of the future and wait was merely another way of saying one was a coward; any idea of moderation was just another attempt to disguise one's unmanly character; ability to understand the question from all sides meant that one was totally unfitted for action; fanatical enthusiasm was the mark of a real man -- Thucydides[/i]
As far as this Spartan scenario is concerned, ill get back to you on that Kat. Give me a couple of days to go through some books.[/quote].................Homosexuality has existed since the beginning of man. The earliest evidence is from an Ancient Egyptian tomb, from about 2450 BC. This tomb is of two royal officials, Niankhknum and Khnumhotep, positioned in such a way as if they were married......................................................................................................The Ancient Greeks were rather open with homosexuality. Ancient Greeks believed that the relationship between a man and a boy was the most pure form of love that existed. In addition, the word, "lesbian" originated from the island of Eastern Greece, Lesbos. This is also the birthplace of the great poetess Sappho (600 BC). She was priestess of a feminine love cult and celebrated the love between women in poems and other writings (although most of it was later burned by religious leaders.....................................................................................................To the Spartans, homosexuality was like a part of their military training. Every soldier knew it was ideal to have an older lover to train him in the arts of war. The young boy was referred to as the "beloved" while the older man was the "lover." Both the beloved and the lover would fight side-by-side. Since the lover did not want to shame his beloved, he fought harder. ................................................................................................Alexander the Great (356-323 BC) and Pindar of Thebes are suggested to be an intimate couple of that time also. Alexander went on to conquer many lands, including Thebes. When he did so, the only house he left standing was that of Pindar. Alexander is also assumed to be intimate with his friend, Hephaiston (died 324 BC). .....................................................................................................Many great poets and philosophers of Ancient Greece are also said to be gay. Anacreon (570?-485? BC) was a lyric poet born in Teos, Asia Minor (which is now Sigacik, Turkey). He is known for his satirical work and short poems on love and wine. Only a few fragments of his poetry remain. ..........................................................................................................
Sophocles (496-406 BC) is another great dramatist of Ancient Greece. He was born in Colonus Hippius, which is now part of Athens. Sophocles wrote over one hundred plays. Seven of his plays still exist: Ajax (451?-444?), Antigone (after 441 BC), Maidens of Trachis (after 441 BC), Oedipus the King (430-415 BC), Electra (430-415 BC), Philoctetes (409 BC), and Oedipus at Colonus................................................................................................Euripedes (480?-406? BC) was a Greek dramatist born in Salamís. Euripides' plays were famous all throughout Greece. However, they were still criticized fort their natural dialogue and independence from traditional religious and moral values. Only 18 of his many plays remain. These include The Frogs 405 BC), Orestes (408 BC), Medea (431 BC), Alcestis (438 BC), Andromache, Electra, and Iphigenia in Tauris. His work went on to influence not only Ancient Roman drama, but also English, German, and French drama. .................................................................................................Socrates (470?-399? BC) was a Greek philosopher born in Athens. The greatest known of his students is probably Plato. Socrates believed in an objective understanding of justice, love, and virtue. He believed that wickedness was the result of ignorance. He thought that virtue is knowledge, and anyone who possessed knowledge acted right.
Plato (427?-347? BC) was a Greek philosopher born in Athens. He was a student of Socrates and taught Aristotle. ..............................................................................................Even in their mythology, the Ancient Greeks show open acts of homosexuality. In one myth, the handsome young price of Troy, Ganymede, was sent to Mount Olympus. Here, he served as cup-bearer to Zeus. Zeus' wife and sister, Hera, became overcome with jealousy and killed young Ganymede. Zeus mourned his death and then placed him in the sky as Aquarius......................................................................................................Even Heracles (Hercules in Roman Mythology) and his good friend Hylas are said to have had a relationship. When the nymph, Dryope, kidnapped Hylas, Heracles went mad. He went around pulling up entire trees and killing everything in sight. Jason feared for himself, his Argonaughts, and the Argo itself so he had to persuade Heracles to get away. Heracles never did see Hylas again....................................................................................................Another is the story of Damon and Phintias (sometimes Pythias). Phintias was to be executed for something or another, so Damon traded in his own life to save his friend. Dionysus (god of wine) saw this act very kind and pardoned both. Dionysus had orgies with Orpheus (the "first man to love boys"). .....................................................................................................
ANCIENT ROME
Ancient Romans were also open until Christianity came around. Julius Caesar (100-44 BC) and Mark Anthony for example. Caesar was said to be "every women's husband, every man's wife." Cicero (106-43 BC) was another Roman political leader who is said to have had intimate relationships with other men.
There was also the Roman Emperor, Hadrian (76-138 AD), and Antinous Pius (86-161 AD) who is said to be Hadrian's only true love. Many people still compare the love of these two to be quite similar to that between Zeus and Ganymede. When Antinous died, Hadrian went into an intense grief that altered the Roman World. Some say that after Antinous died, Hadrian believed that he became a god. Hadrian is also thought to have a relationship with Marcus Aurelius.
Some Ancient homosexual (or perhaps bisexual) Roman poets included Horace (65-8 BC). His works can be put into four categories: satires, epodes, odes, and epistles. In his Odes, Horace praises peace, patriotism, love, friendship, wine, simplicity, and country pleasures.
...............................................................................................................Virgil (70-19 BC) was a Roman poet born in Ande. He is known for his masterpiece, the Aeneid, which is a mythological epic of the wanderings of Aeneas after the Trojan War (somewhat like The Odyssey, which tells of Odysseus' wanderings after the Trojan War). In his poem, Eclogues, Virgil admits his infatuation for Augustus (Ocavaian).
Ovid (43 BC-17? AD) was a Roman poet born in Sulmo. In 8 AD, Ovid was banished to Tomi, which was in the Roman province of Dacia (now Constanta, Romania). One reason for his banishment was the publication of Ars Amartoria, which is a poem on the art of love. Another reason may have been his knowledge of a scandal that involved the emperor's daughter. In his youth, Ovid wrote Amores, which are erotic poems characterized by cleverness and artificiality. In his middle period, Ovid composed Metamorphoses in 15 books. During his exile, Ovid wrote about melancholy and despair.
Seneca (4? BC-65 AD) was a Roman philosopher, dramatist, and statesmen. He was born Lucius Annaeus Seneca in Córdoba, Spain. His writings include The Pumkinification of the Divine Claudius (about 54 AD), which was an amusing (but unkind) satire on the deification of Claudius. He also wrote seven books dealing with meteorology and astronomy, Quaestiones Naturales, and 124 letters to a friend, Epistulae ad Lucilium. In one of his poems, he described how his lover was "passive" in his lovemaking.
