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A view on Blair from the US

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This is not new but still recent. It might be interesting for you to see how some Americans view him and I'd be interested in your thoughts (by the way, no I will not make a habit of posting bandwith-consuming articles 8) ):


http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/News/ ... 71903.html

July 19, 2003

BLAIR’S SWAN-SONG?
by Srdja Trifkovic

When a politician invokes the verdict of history to justify himself, as Britain’s Tony Blair did on Capitol Hill on Thursday, you may rest assured that he is in serious trouble. “If we are wrong,” he said with reference to the non-existant Iraqi WMDs, “we will have destroyed a threat that, at its least, is responsible for inhuman carnage and suffering. That is something I am confident history will forgive.” He added that he believes “with every fibre and conviction” that he was right.

In Mr. Blair’s case that is considerably more fibre and more conviction than any sane person can imagine, but it probably won’t help him: a major crisis was starting to unfold in London as he was on his way from Washington to the Far East. Early on Friday, police looking for a missing Defence Ministry adviser at the heart of the Iraqi weapons row found his body in the woods a few miles from his home. David Kelly, a former Iraq arms inspector, went for a walk from his house near Faringdon in Oxfordshire, on Thursday afternoon, and never came back.

Only two days previously Kelly gave evidence to the Foreign Affairs Committee of the House of Commons on the evidence Blair’s government used as justification for for the Iraq war. Furthermore, it now transpires that Kelly had been named by the Defence Ministry as a likely source of a BBC report broadcast last May that alleged that Downing Street had greatly exaggerated the threat of Saddam’s WMDs in order to push Britain into the war. It was made clear to him that he had broken civil service rules by having unauthorised contact with a journalist.

The sequence of events to follow can be predicted with some certainty. There will be a full independent judicial inquiry into the circumstances leading to Kelly’s death, and it will inevitably turn into an inquiry into Blair’s claims on Iraq’s WMDs. Until now Blair had refused to authorize any such inquiry into the government’s handling of the weapons case, but events will now proceed outside his control. Short of a miraculous weapons find, the inquiry’s findings will be damning. Even before they are made public Blair’s closest aide and spin-master extraordinaire—his Communications and Strategy Director Alastair Campbell, the man who inserted the infamous “45-minute threat” in the British government’s dossier on Saddam’s arms—will have to go. Once the findings of the inquiry are made public Tony Blair will probably have to resign.

This assessment is different from the one we made a month ago (“Tony Blair in a Bit of Trouble”) because the political landscape in London has changed rapidly and profoundly. The writing for Blair is now on many walls. The Tories smell blood, and feel energized after a long spell of depressed inactivity. Richard Ottaway, a Conservative MP and member of the Foreign Affairs Select Committee that interviewed Dr Kelly over the dossier row, opened the salvo by saying that a “tragedy of ghastly proportions” resulted from “political machinations” by “this whole regime of spin and manipulation ... by the government and its advisers.” Other Tory members of parliament have said Kelly was the “fall guy” in an episode that was embarrassing for the government. One of them, Richard Ottaway, called for an inquiry “at the highest level” into the government’s treatment of Kelly.

More significantly, within Blair’s own Labour Party many influential figures have come to regard him as an electoral millstone and an embarrassement. The demand for a high-level inquiry was echoed by several Labour MPs, such as Peter Kilfoyle. Some supporters of his arch-rival, Chancellor of the Exchequer Gordon Brown, went so far as to portray Blair as “psychotic” and a “psychopath” in the pages of New Statesman magazine. The former cabinet minister Clare Short, a close ally of Mr. Brown, described Blair as a “media star” who “thinks in soundbites” and “uses his charm to get what he wants.” She warned of “a big nasty split” that would damage the party, making it unattractive to the electorate if Blair stayed in power, and reiterated her call for “an elegant handover” of office. Another former cabinet minister, Robin Cook, who resigned over the war, said the government had sent troops into battle “on the basis of a mistake” and that it had committed a “monumental blunder.” Actress Glenda Jackson, also a Labour MP, has said the Prime Minister led Britain to war under false pretences and should step down before the end of the year.

Both British parties are unforgiving of failure and have no qualms about replacing a leader who has become a liability. Eden had to go after Suez, Macmillan after Profumo, and even as strong a figure as Margaret Thatcher was discarded in 1990. Blair will resist but he is running out of tricks. By this time it is likely that Prime Minister Gordon Brown will lead Britain. After over seven years of Blair’s irritating posturing almost any change is bound to be for the better. Britain needs real alternatives to Blair—on Europe, on immigration, on globalization, on the relationship with the United States—and Brown will not offer them, but at least he is an honest man, and an end to the present regime of therapeutic deceit is sorely needed if that once great country is to start recovering its soul.


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Only one think matters about Blair; the electorate doesn't trust him. Its completely irrelevent what the Americans, marsians etc think about him, he's the prime minister of Great Britain, not the US or Western world as he may like to think. He isn't trusted to run an ice cream van let alone the country.
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Ah, defensiveness again... 8)
The relevance of the article is that it points to the existence of a plurality of opinions about world affairs/leaders in the US. Comforting, isn't it? I think it should be. Not everyone is of the same mind, thankfully.
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My point was more aimed at the contents of the final paragraph. Being that it annoys me when a British prime minister is making grand speeches abroad full of such shite, when his own country needs sorting out. I think he tends to forget that his role is to govern (not rule), Great Britain. To be seen making grand speeches in foriegn countries dosen't help him or the country. He needs to be here sorting out the future of Britian, not swanning around with the Americans.
He will go because people can't trust him, not only becasue of all the deception, but also because he seems to have forgotten his true job and seems more interested in persuing his ego trips around the world.
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I see. Please accept my apologies for mis-reading the content of your post.
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and Brown will not offer them, but at least he is an honest man
I thought he was a politician... how can he be honest as well?
There is plenty to be sorted out over here so I agree with Topper. What he will do we await to see... what he does will not please everyone but at the moment he is pleasing no one, well, apart from himself.
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Why is it so hard for us to get someone who knows what they're doing, and has this countries interests at heart. And not be a complete lying freak.
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Because most men can be bought, and it is easy to pursue your own interest's when you are the man. I liked Blair after 9/11. The speech he gave right after the attacks reassured Americans more than Smirks comments on the issue, he is a great speaker, but I can see your frustration with the man. My view is he appears to be under alot of pressure.
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They're all just puppets. A thing I don't understand about 9/11 is: How on earth didn't the black box survive, but, the hijakers passport did? And how did the Steel infrastructure "melt" and collapse, when the melting piont of these massive beams is much higher than anything that could have been produced in that building? And then George Jnr orders that no enquiry is aloud...

Read some of this

http://www.infowars.com/resources.html#BUSH

It sounds a bit dodgy to me...who knows!!! Any comments?

There's doubts in our country as to the w*nkers who run it's integrity, but also slightly more damning doubts in yours...And these arn't just made up "conspiracy theories", these are well documented facts and FBI reports.

And America being the most paranoid country on this planet with security, how could they ignore all these warnings of "possible terrorist attacks" and "unusually high numbers of asian men wanting to train in flight simulators". It seems a bit out of charater to me.
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The JaCkAl wrote: And how did the Steel infrastructure "melt" and collapse, when the melting piont of these massive beams is much higher than anything that could have been produced in that building?
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Structural steelwork will begin to fail at 750 deg. C. Much higher temperatures would have been generated during the fire.

But I think the main reason for failure would have been that such buildings aren't designed to withstand the impact, halfway up the structure, of over 400 tons travelling at something like 250mph.

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It never pays to take such articles at face value. For example, it states Campbell inserted the 45 min claim into the 'document': he didn't. So how much else is inaccurate.

Blair is a puzzle. He (and the rest of us) know how invasive and intrusive the media can be. Especially the British media. He must have known that any 'dodgy dealings' would come out in the end. If that's the case, why did he lie when he would know what the consequences would be? :-? :-?

As for the Hutton enquiry: There have been hundreds of hours of reporting with saturation coverage in the press. In all of this I have yet to hear anything that really shows why Dr Kelly would kill himself? :( :-? (Allegedly) he said to a friend he would be found dead in the woods, two week before the event. How can an experienced international investigator/negotiator feel so under pressure about some (fairly) banal and stupid questioning by the Foreign Affairs Cttee? [the standard of questioning was appalling - "what do you think..." "How do you feel...." what do you think 'x' would have thought..." etc... hardly the stuff by which to elicit real facts :x ] His wife reported that he felt betrayed by the MoD about the release of his name. Fair enough. But weren't the MoD betrayed by him giving information to a journalist, which was against the Official Secrets Act he signed?

Finally, on the cause of the war. I am at a loss to understand why Bush/Blair needed the WMD claim in the first place. The 'invasion' of Kosovo wasn't under the UN banner. There was no UN mandate - it was a NATO 'project'. There was no threat from WMDs; there was no possibility of them developing a nuclear weapon; there were no chemical weapons; there was no threat to the 'West'. In Iraq, the coalition went out of their way to prevent infrastructure damage: in Serbia the strategy was to destroy the infrastructure. And compared to Saddam, Milosevic was a pussycat.
So why bother with the WMD claim in the first place? :x :o :o :o It wsn't needed in the war against Milosevic!
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Let's postulate that Blair and Bush did in fact believe that Iraq had/has operational WMDs. Based on this 'certainty', it'd make sense for their administrations to use this as well as Saddam's past actions as a reason for invasion, within the context of the War on Terror.

Other reasons may well be invoked, though they would not be understandable/agreeable to public opinion given the above context: OPEC countries preparing to trade in euros and the resulting need for the US to establish a permanent military presence in the region, for instance.
Humanitarian concerns also would take a back seat to a perceived immediate threat of Iraqi WMDs, would they not?

As Paul Wolfowitz stated earlier, WMDs were the one issue the administration used for bureaucratic reasons, as the one everyone would be most likely to rally against.

I think the key is every action since 9/11 has to be justified by the fight against terror. But then I could be off the mark... :-?
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Sisyphus wrote: It never pays to take such articles at face value. For example, it states Campbell inserted the 45 min claim into the 'document': he didn't. So how much else is inaccurate.
Yes, it's rather true of such opinion pieces. Bear in mind, this one isn't particularly recent, although that doesn't excuse 'assumptions' made therein. :wink:
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Frank S. wrote: it'd make sense ...... as a reason for invasion, within the context of the War on Terror.

Other reasons may well be invoked, though they would not be understandable/agreeable to public opinion given the above context:
Frank it would make sense in the context of War on Terror - but there is a growing feeling, I believe, that the 'War on Terror' could/will be used by Bush for all sorts of sabre rattling and unjustified military action by the US.

Milosevic was attacked because he was an evil a***ole. Saddam was/is 10 (110) times worse. And public opinion wasn't anything like 100% behind the action against Serbia.

Sorry, this debate could go on ad infinitum so I'd better draw a line under my perspective. The saddest, but inevitable, thing is that finally, Bush has realized he failed, manifestly, to plan for the 'peace' and is now desperate for outside help to take the pressure off US troops and the US economy.
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sisyphus,
Seems Bush is going to get it too.
An entire US division was replaced by Poles today.
The Frogs and Squareheads are up to their usual :evil: games though.
F#king politicians :evil:
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