During my PRMC the topic of becoming a officer while you are a marine arose, it was mentioned that if you went for it you could not return to your troop is this true? Or can some one explain in more detail.
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misterpurple
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I highly doubt that's what they mean.misterpurple wrote:Alright mate,
Think what they might be getting at is that once you accept a Commission (start your first day of Young Officer training basically) you're barred completely from re-entry as a recruit if you are unsuccesful.
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TomClarke what they more than likely meant was if you go for a commission from the ranks, if you successfully complete the course you would not be posted back to your original unit, you would be sent somewhere else.
This would be to avoid any problems that might arise from suddenly being in charge of men who have only ever known you as "one of the lads" and so it won't be as hard to establish your authority.
I'm sure one of the serving or ex-booties on the site will be able to give you the correct answer to your question though.
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That sounds more like it.This would be to avoid any problems that might arise from suddenly being in charge of men who have only ever known you as "one of the lads" and so it won't be as hard to establish your authority.
I would guess that the convention is there to avoid the 'chip on the shoulder' syndrome that may become apparant in failed Corps Commission candidates.Is there any reason for this ?
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So what if you didnt pass out ?
As an officer? There's only one YO troop per year so I'm guessing you're out on your arse
Not barred from entry as an officer at a later date though as far as I am aware.
If you're thinking about it the best advice anyone on here can give is talk to your AFCO. It's best to speak to a serving officer at one of the AFCOs as the Chief Petty Officer I spoke to wasn't aware of this.
All the best.
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Whilst I have no doubt that you are correct (given your position) I cannot help but think what ridiculous rule this is.Shrek The Royal wrote:What they are getting at is once you have passed out, then go Corps commision and subsequently fail the YO's course you are binned from the Corps, and can not go back to being a Marine, just a gopping Civie.
I cannot think of one single reason why they would turn away a completely capable Marine (who has proved himself so by earning the lid) just because he maybe didn't have the necessary leadership qualities to become an officer.
Aways look on the bright side of life.
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The reason is simple really.
Respect. If the guys in your recruit troop or your first unit find out that you failed the YO's then the powers that be reckon you will get neat stick from all and sundry because they will look at you as a failure.
A load of tosh as far as I'm concerned but the rule is there and has been for years. In the Owd days when most RM officers were ex Public School the "Them and Us" attitude was much more prevelant within the Corps than it is now. Hence a failed YO would be (As far as the powers that be are concerned) fair game for blokes who had a dislike of the Officer class.
These days YO's come from all walks of life. From Public Schools, yes but mostly from the same schools and locations as the guys who join as recruits. And lets face it most recruits and YO's have the same quals as each other going by what is said on this forum.
In my time most recruits had a minimum amount of quals most indeed had grafted in Civvy Street for a few years after leaving school at 15 with no quals at all. Back then there were also Junior Marines who joined at 15 or 16 years of age at RMB Deal. Most of them had no quals whatsoever but were encouraged to go for O levels and higher whilst within the Corps.
I joined at the age of 17 with one A level in Art and 6 O levels, so some of my fellow recruits thought I was a "Clever Clogs" even though I did the same training as they did. Later on I got a BA (Hons) via the Open University in History whilst serving.
Some of my mates took the Corp Commision option and went on to better things. One transferred to the Royal Navy and became a Pilot, another also transferred to the Navy and took an Engineering degree, last time I talked to him he was a RN Captain (E). Others left and joined the Army as Officers in the REME or some other Corp where a degree was offered for free in return for three to four years service on completion of said degree.
Whilst other mates of mine with three stripes or a warrent went via the SD (Special Duties) option and normally end up as MTO's, QM's, Imprest Holders (Pay Officers), although exeptions to this rule were and are indeed not uncommen if the guy was a switched on kiddy at his particular SQ/TQ. I was offered this option at one stage of my career but I never took it up due mainly to having had a gutful of the Corps at the time.
On my Pussers Suitcase I had in big black letters the word "ROMFT!" (Roll On My Fecking Time!) as I was so fed up with being messed about by the powers that be. I was Med Downgraded to P2 Modified Commando in 1985 after spending three years in and out of hospital being put back together and made to do a job I hated with a passion, Printer.
Later on I quite enjoyed the job but once the Print Branch was disbanded the thought of sitting behind a desk in some Location in the UK whilst my fellow Bootnecks went to the pointed end just didn't appeal in the slightest even if I did have Officers Pips on my shoulders. I must confess I was a right pillock and should have taken up the offer. But at the time my head was not right in any way shape or form.
Artist
Respect. If the guys in your recruit troop or your first unit find out that you failed the YO's then the powers that be reckon you will get neat stick from all and sundry because they will look at you as a failure.
A load of tosh as far as I'm concerned but the rule is there and has been for years. In the Owd days when most RM officers were ex Public School the "Them and Us" attitude was much more prevelant within the Corps than it is now. Hence a failed YO would be (As far as the powers that be are concerned) fair game for blokes who had a dislike of the Officer class.
These days YO's come from all walks of life. From Public Schools, yes but mostly from the same schools and locations as the guys who join as recruits. And lets face it most recruits and YO's have the same quals as each other going by what is said on this forum.
In my time most recruits had a minimum amount of quals most indeed had grafted in Civvy Street for a few years after leaving school at 15 with no quals at all. Back then there were also Junior Marines who joined at 15 or 16 years of age at RMB Deal. Most of them had no quals whatsoever but were encouraged to go for O levels and higher whilst within the Corps.
I joined at the age of 17 with one A level in Art and 6 O levels, so some of my fellow recruits thought I was a "Clever Clogs" even though I did the same training as they did. Later on I got a BA (Hons) via the Open University in History whilst serving.
Some of my mates took the Corp Commision option and went on to better things. One transferred to the Royal Navy and became a Pilot, another also transferred to the Navy and took an Engineering degree, last time I talked to him he was a RN Captain (E). Others left and joined the Army as Officers in the REME or some other Corp where a degree was offered for free in return for three to four years service on completion of said degree.
Whilst other mates of mine with three stripes or a warrent went via the SD (Special Duties) option and normally end up as MTO's, QM's, Imprest Holders (Pay Officers), although exeptions to this rule were and are indeed not uncommen if the guy was a switched on kiddy at his particular SQ/TQ. I was offered this option at one stage of my career but I never took it up due mainly to having had a gutful of the Corps at the time.
On my Pussers Suitcase I had in big black letters the word "ROMFT!" (Roll On My Fecking Time!) as I was so fed up with being messed about by the powers that be. I was Med Downgraded to P2 Modified Commando in 1985 after spending three years in and out of hospital being put back together and made to do a job I hated with a passion, Printer.
Later on I quite enjoyed the job but once the Print Branch was disbanded the thought of sitting behind a desk in some Location in the UK whilst my fellow Bootnecks went to the pointed end just didn't appeal in the slightest even if I did have Officers Pips on my shoulders. I must confess I was a right pillock and should have taken up the offer. But at the time my head was not right in any way shape or form.
Artist
