Ooh nice new piccies.
http://www.army.mod.uk/uksf/special_for ... e_/sbs.htm
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Bonjour CL,
As no-one has stepped forward with first hand experience - i'll dish out the pinch of salt/friend of a friend secondhand info if you like:
1st weekend is pretty cheeky.
Hills phase is run very similar to 21/23 except they don't get home for lunch - they have to ask their mums to keep it warm till tea time (at least).
A bit more BS than their TA chums - as you'd expect from RM/RMR instructors.
As the site says - you're going to need to cut about at 4kph - it's still progressive though so as long as you know the routes and don't sit down for high-tea it's achievable.
Sorry - don't know about their Continuation.
Speak soonest.
CS
As no-one has stepped forward with first hand experience - i'll dish out the pinch of salt/friend of a friend secondhand info if you like:
1st weekend is pretty cheeky.
Hills phase is run very similar to 21/23 except they don't get home for lunch - they have to ask their mums to keep it warm till tea time (at least).
A bit more BS than their TA chums - as you'd expect from RM/RMR instructors.
As the site says - you're going to need to cut about at 4kph - it's still progressive though so as long as you know the routes and don't sit down for high-tea it's achievable.
Sorry - don't know about their Continuation.
Speak soonest.
CS
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Blimey Chat - were you hovering around the keyboard waiting to follow up?!
You are right in your assumption that 21/23 "only" (as you put it
have to pass at 3kph, but the rumour mill (as ever) says that "this is the last course they are running at 3k - the next will be 4!" - shock horror.
In reality though - unless lads are taking 4+ weeks off work before test week (some 23 lads do...), they are going to be struggling for 4kph every day on TW. Especially if Elan is back in.
The respect thing only ever raises it's head on places like this. Non Regt. Regs will tell you 22 hate the STABS, the STABS will tell you the opposite.
In truth (and my ltd experience) it's down to the individual.
Often the Regs that joined at 16 and the Paras who think they are gods gift look down on the TA (and everyone else for that matter - love em), but the lads who joined up at a sensible age or have had some real world experience usually take each stab as they come (oo-er).
As you'd say CL - Love and Peace!
CS
You are right in your assumption that 21/23 "only" (as you put it
have to pass at 3kph, but the rumour mill (as ever) says that "this is the last course they are running at 3k - the next will be 4!" - shock horror.In reality though - unless lads are taking 4+ weeks off work before test week (some 23 lads do...), they are going to be struggling for 4kph every day on TW. Especially if Elan is back in.
The respect thing only ever raises it's head on places like this. Non Regt. Regs will tell you 22 hate the STABS, the STABS will tell you the opposite.
In truth (and my ltd experience) it's down to the individual.
Often the Regs that joined at 16 and the Paras who think they are gods gift look down on the TA (and everyone else for that matter - love em), but the lads who joined up at a sensible age or have had some real world experience usually take each stab as they come (oo-er).
As you'd say CL - Love and Peace!
CS
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Hi again CL -
i realise it's not normal to respond twice in a row but i spoke to a chum 'o mine about this very subject on your behalf last night. He says:
"the SBS(R) Selection weekend [well, they say weekend - it's 4 days...] was last weekend gone [i bet you're cursing your timi?], but if you'd like they can put your name down for next years course?"
Some highlights of the first weekend:
"40 ish lads turned up - plenty of the usual fun and games, BFT, CFT, Swim test etc. Then they are loaned a nice big bergen weighing close to 70lbs and told "off you trot". They are told to complete the 24k course in 4 hours. How close most of the lads get to this has some bearing on whether they'll go on to the next weekend or not."
Apparantly only 10 or so of the 40 that turned up are progressing.
Any of the lads who don't have previous military experience (yes - they DO accept them), have to do a 2 week infantrymans course - probably at CIC).
Then they all do ANOTHER 2 weeks (sounds like a lot doesn't it?) in the hills - a kind of pre-beat up Test Week if you will, before attempting Test Week 'Proper'.
I think the rationale is that they dont want to send anyone down to TW who isnt going to pass. Probably why the one lad that did go down this year passed!
Hope this helps you on your journey.
CS.
i realise it's not normal to respond twice in a row but i spoke to a chum 'o mine about this very subject on your behalf last night. He says:
"the SBS(R) Selection weekend [well, they say weekend - it's 4 days...] was last weekend gone [i bet you're cursing your timi?], but if you'd like they can put your name down for next years course?"
Some highlights of the first weekend:
"40 ish lads turned up - plenty of the usual fun and games, BFT, CFT, Swim test etc. Then they are loaned a nice big bergen weighing close to 70lbs and told "off you trot". They are told to complete the 24k course in 4 hours. How close most of the lads get to this has some bearing on whether they'll go on to the next weekend or not."
Apparantly only 10 or so of the 40 that turned up are progressing.
Any of the lads who don't have previous military experience (yes - they DO accept them), have to do a 2 week infantrymans course - probably at CIC).
Then they all do ANOTHER 2 weeks (sounds like a lot doesn't it?) in the hills - a kind of pre-beat up Test Week if you will, before attempting Test Week 'Proper'.
I think the rationale is that they dont want to send anyone down to TW who isnt going to pass. Probably why the one lad that did go down this year passed!
Hope this helps you on your journey.
CS.
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My dear Captain,
Blimey you are particularly well informed! Not green slime by any chance!?
Encouraged by the fact that they take Pongos with "limited military experience", but not encouraged by the fact that they don't catagorically state "applicants should be fat, balding, and have a penchant for huge cigars, cognac, and lobster thermador butties. Experience of lap dancing clubs preferred."
I presume your mate was one of the 10 successful ones? If so give him a good old Chateau Lafite handshake and a steely stare from moi.
I'll get my coat.
Peace and Love
Blimey you are particularly well informed! Not green slime by any chance!?
Encouraged by the fact that they take Pongos with "limited military experience", but not encouraged by the fact that they don't catagorically state "applicants should be fat, balding, and have a penchant for huge cigars, cognac, and lobster thermador butties. Experience of lap dancing clubs preferred."
I presume your mate was one of the 10 successful ones? If so give him a good old Chateau Lafite handshake and a steely stare from moi.
I'll get my coat.
Peace and Love
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Wash your filthy cake-hole out CL - Green Slime?! How VERY dare you...?
If i said 'yes' my aquaintance was one of the lads going onward and upward, i would be risking an eagle-eyed DS reading this post and stringing each and every one of them up by the ne'er-should-be-seens until beans were spilled. So yes - he was.
You do realise that if you really were of the description above you'll shortly be torn limb from limb by forum parasites questioning your motives for even THINKING about posting an SF related query without at least pretending you are a steely-eyed doom dealer to be.
You've been warned...
C. Stabmerchant.
If i said 'yes' my aquaintance was one of the lads going onward and upward, i would be risking an eagle-eyed DS reading this post and stringing each and every one of them up by the ne'er-should-be-seens until beans were spilled. So yes - he was.
You do realise that if you really were of the description above you'll shortly be torn limb from limb by forum parasites questioning your motives for even THINKING about posting an SF related query without at least pretending you are a steely-eyed doom dealer to be.
You've been warned...
C. Stabmerchant.
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Capytain,
My appologies Sir! No offence meant to you (or your family), by the Green Slime tag, I meerly meant, in my most humble way, to congratulate you on your immense knowledge and minty breath.
So he's RMR then? One of them strange ones that goes onboard, not inside. Let me know how he gets on.
Ciao
My appologies Sir! No offence meant to you (or your family), by the Green Slime tag, I meerly meant, in my most humble way, to congratulate you on your immense knowledge and minty breath.
So he's RMR then? One of them strange ones that goes onboard, not inside. Let me know how he gets on.
Ciao
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Once again greets to you CL - i feel i know you so well already.
'Fraid you may have picked up the stick by the incorrect end - he's no more RMR than you or I.
For his sins he's a straight civilian (at least i think he's straight - he's not had a girlfriend for a while - but i put that down to his unwavering commitment to his body beautiful rather than his penchant for botties. Besides, the questionnaire must have asked THAT question, no?)
I shall indeed let you know how he gets on.
I'm off to Sky+ Spooks so that i can post some knowledgable responses to any MI5 posts in the next few days.
Good yorath.
CS
'Fraid you may have picked up the stick by the incorrect end - he's no more RMR than you or I.
For his sins he's a straight civilian (at least i think he's straight - he's not had a girlfriend for a while - but i put that down to his unwavering commitment to his body beautiful rather than his penchant for botties. Besides, the questionnaire must have asked THAT question, no?)
I shall indeed let you know how he gets on.
I'm off to Sky+ Spooks so that i can post some knowledgable responses to any MI5 posts in the next few days.
Good yorath.
CS
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Captain,
Not RMR either!? Wow! Pass on my best to him. If he's looking for any advice on the course regarding things like; wine choices for compo, correct attire and manners, how to behave like a lady, correct method of applying moustache wax, etc, etc, then pass him my details. I'll sort the chap out b'gad.
Anything else appromiating exercise he's on his own.
Out.
Not RMR either!? Wow! Pass on my best to him. If he's looking for any advice on the course regarding things like; wine choices for compo, correct attire and manners, how to behave like a lady, correct method of applying moustache wax, etc, etc, then pass him my details. I'll sort the chap out b'gad.
Anything else appromiating exercise he's on his own.
Out.
23 are currently running a course at 4 k an hour 21 are "observing" how it goes same as they done when 23 extended its course to 18 months then a year.
only having 1 sqn of reserves means that you are more likley to get the jobs with SBS(R) than with 21 or 23 but that doesnt mean they are any less profesional its just there are more dogs jumping for the scraps at the table still think they should do little jungle course as SBS do so they are conversant with jungle warfare that is after all why the sas was reformed
only having 1 sqn of reserves means that you are more likley to get the jobs with SBS(R) than with 21 or 23 but that doesnt mean they are any less profesional its just there are more dogs jumping for the scraps at the table still think they should do little jungle course as SBS do so they are conversant with jungle warfare that is after all why the sas was reformed
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sorry sneaky old chap last nights alcohol playing havack with my typing finger.
its no longer 3kph for 23 its now 4kph 21 remains unchanged they are watching to see how successful 23 are with this intake the same as they did when 23 changed selection a few years ago making it 18 months long (they added a pre pre selection 8 weekend infantry skills package) then dropped it down to a year with range package after battle camp
there being only one squadron of reserves at poole the lucky blighters get more chance of deployment alongside there regular counterparts (or as indavidual teams) than do 21 or 23 who each having 5 squadrons apiece end up fighting for the scraps 22 throws them, but that doesnt make them any less professional than reserve SB its just that before the formation of uksf group the sas group had more funding justifieing a large orbat whilst SB was funded out of royals pocket
now with joint uksf selection the units are pretty much interchangable (to a certain extent some specialities remain independent of the other unit) neither is better than the other there simply just the best at what they do and dont that just make ya proud
its no longer 3kph for 23 its now 4kph 21 remains unchanged they are watching to see how successful 23 are with this intake the same as they did when 23 changed selection a few years ago making it 18 months long (they added a pre pre selection 8 weekend infantry skills package) then dropped it down to a year with range package after battle camp
there being only one squadron of reserves at poole the lucky blighters get more chance of deployment alongside there regular counterparts (or as indavidual teams) than do 21 or 23 who each having 5 squadrons apiece end up fighting for the scraps 22 throws them, but that doesnt make them any less professional than reserve SB its just that before the formation of uksf group the sas group had more funding justifieing a large orbat whilst SB was funded out of royals pocket
now with joint uksf selection the units are pretty much interchangable (to a certain extent some specialities remain independent of the other unit) neither is better than the other there simply just the best at what they do and dont that just make ya proud
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Hi sloth (my second favourite deadly sin),
I'll reiterate my earlier post - the official (as it ever is) word is that those southerners are also striving for 4kph as of this course, and once again i'll cast judgement that they won't get a single lad through at this speed.
At least with 23 running a longer selection their lads have a fighting chance of achieving it. Saying that though they'll lose just as many through attrition during selection than 21 would on test week, so it's by the by.
TA and 4kph doesnt work. My suggestion would be to get the lads into the sqns at 3kph and go from there. If they are keen they can THEN take time off work to train and have a crack at 4k and if they pass - get the good jobs with 22. If they're not keen, then it's as you were - wear the hat and do a 2 week camp every year - FlexiSAS.
Yours
ElStabitano.
I'll reiterate my earlier post - the official (as it ever is) word is that those southerners are also striving for 4kph as of this course, and once again i'll cast judgement that they won't get a single lad through at this speed.
At least with 23 running a longer selection their lads have a fighting chance of achieving it. Saying that though they'll lose just as many through attrition during selection than 21 would on test week, so it's by the by.
TA and 4kph doesnt work. My suggestion would be to get the lads into the sqns at 3kph and go from there. If they are keen they can THEN take time off work to train and have a crack at 4k and if they pass - get the good jobs with 22. If they're not keen, then it's as you were - wear the hat and do a 2 week camp every year - FlexiSAS.
Yours
ElStabitano.
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Latest Information recieved.
Oh Yeah. Oh Yeah. 10 O'clock and all is well. (etc etc).
The first weekend/4 day-er is, as our dear departed captain (with the freakily accurate knowledge - who is he we wonder?) has said (comma) the first weekend is decidedly cheeky - as one would expect.
The rest of the selection is an accelerated/intensified version of the army version of SF (I am filled with such distain for them that I can hardly type their name), to whit the heroic, broad shouldered SB candidate has a two week build up/death camp in Crickowell to judge their suitability for masocism - just for starters. (Grins and twirls moustache.)
More when I have it. Your dear friend (whips cape round shoulder, and looks mean) - Lafite
Oh Yeah. Oh Yeah. 10 O'clock and all is well. (etc etc).
The first weekend/4 day-er is, as our dear departed captain (with the freakily accurate knowledge - who is he we wonder?) has said (comma) the first weekend is decidedly cheeky - as one would expect.
The rest of the selection is an accelerated/intensified version of the army version of SF (I am filled with such distain for them that I can hardly type their name), to whit the heroic, broad shouldered SB candidate has a two week build up/death camp in Crickowell to judge their suitability for masocism - just for starters. (Grins and twirls moustache.)
More when I have it. Your dear friend (whips cape round shoulder, and looks mean) - Lafite
