I watched the documentary on Deepcut and bullying last night. I'm just wondering what any ex, or serving soldiers views on this are.
In my opinion some of it seemed very out of order, ie. fondling the privates privates when he was asleep. However other issues brought up like name calling and things like that is what I expect and have heard from serving friends thats its part of army life. Well its part of civillian life too but i guess its magnified if you feel a you are being victimised in such close proximity to your tormentor.
Thats my take on it anyway.
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Bullying at Deepcut, yes it did look bad on television, but there again bad news stories help get viewers. During the summer there was a big story on television about the thieving that went on in the post office by the staff.
Well guess what, there was a small article in the paper the other day saying that the reporters who made the television program had made most of it up. The chap who had stolen the credit cards had got them else where but the bit where he said that had been cut out. This does excuse what has been done in Deepcut, but there are people that go into the Forces who just should not be there. As former National Serviceman we all saw men that where called into the Army who just should not have been out on their own let alone in the Forces, pay the fatal price for having to go into the Forces.
Well guess what, there was a small article in the paper the other day saying that the reporters who made the television program had made most of it up. The chap who had stolen the credit cards had got them else where but the bit where he said that had been cut out. This does excuse what has been done in Deepcut, but there are people that go into the Forces who just should not be there. As former National Serviceman we all saw men that where called into the Army who just should not have been out on their own let alone in the Forces, pay the fatal price for having to go into the Forces.
The full report can be read by clicking this link http://www.surreypolice.org.uk/deepcut_final.pdfThe Surrey Police have published a report into the Army’s initial training procedures and practices. Their report is the result of detailed work carried out against the background of the tragic deaths of four young soldiers at the Royal Logistic Corps’ training base, the Princess Royal Barracks at Deepcut in Surrey, between 1995 and 2002.
The report also refers to work undertaken by the Directorate of Operational Capability into the care of recruits in initial training. http://www.mod.uk/linked_files/publicat ... nnexes.pdf
DelD,
I agree with your last, bullies are cowards that is why as you say you don't see it in field soldiers. When everybody around you is carrying live rounds, they will think twice.
I have trained recruits and I have seen beasting and piss taking. When you hear the recruits laughing and joking about what has happend to so and so and he his sitting laughing about it as well, then there is not much wrong, but there is a line you do not cross.
I agree with your last, bullies are cowards that is why as you say you don't see it in field soldiers. When everybody around you is carrying live rounds, they will think twice.
I have trained recruits and I have seen beasting and piss taking. When you hear the recruits laughing and joking about what has happend to so and so and he his sitting laughing about it as well, then there is not much wrong, but there is a line you do not cross.
i think what makes things worse is whem the mod allow things like this to happen as stated below,i wanted to see what was out there,god help if he had been given a job on a navy land base and it was young recruits he had found eh
Naval Pervert Can Stay With Service because he's
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HMS PERVERT Nov 10 2004
3,800 pictures of child porn ..but Navy surgeon can keep his job because life on submarine was stressful
By Patrick Mulchrone
A ROYAL Navy doctor is to keep his job, despite downloading more than 3,800 child-porn images from the internet.
Surgeon-lieutenant Stuart Ruthven, 27, claimed that months underwater on submarine duty had sent him stir-crazy. He was bored and "looking to see what was out there".
Last night his reprieve from the General Medical Council provoked outrage from child protection experts.
Dr Michelle Elliot, director of the charity Kidscape, said the decision was "absolutely disgusting".
She added: "The message it sends out is that child pornography is not a serious offence, and it is perfectly acceptable to download it, look at it and then just get on with your life.
"Someone needs to re-educate the GMC and the Navy about the terrible effects.
"If he wants to dig ditches for a living fine - but there is no way he should be allowed to continue his medical career."
The GMC, sitting in Manchester, accepted that Ruthven's offences - for which he has already been dealt with in a criminal court - were "isolated, transitory in nature and not for sexual gratification".
Many of the images were low- level, showing children in erotic poses. But 45 were sickening sights of sexual activity with adults.
Ruthven, a medical officer at HMS Drake naval base in Plymouth, first downloaded child-porn in 1999 while being sponsored through university by the Navy.
He signed on for six years in 2001 and trained as a submariner. He had eight months underwater in 2002-3.
Police inquiries found he had used his credit card to access websites and download images.
During shore leave in January 2003, he pursued his sordid activity at his parents' house. Ruthven, of Flixton, Greater Manchester, told yesterday's hearing: "It's very unusual coming ashore after all that time, you get used to the six-hour shifts and the cramped conditions.
"It was almost the thrill of the chase and perhaps I was rebelling after so long at sea." He said images were deleted straightaway and called his searches a "scientific quest".
GMC disciplinary committee head Alyson Leslie said the risk of him re-offending was "negligible".
Ruthven must now work under supervision. Previously in court, he had admitted 12 offences of making indecent images. He got 18 months' community rehabilitation and cannot work with children under 16.
He will also go on the sex offenders' register for five years.
The Navy said: "He will continue as a doctor in accordance with the conditions set down by the GMC."
Ruthven now faces a Navy inquiry but his boss Captain Nicholas Morgan said: "I am confident he is not only remorseful, he is safe
Naval Pervert Can Stay With Service because he's
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Stressed?
Mirror on line
HMS PERVERT Nov 10 2004
3,800 pictures of child porn ..but Navy surgeon can keep his job because life on submarine was stressful
By Patrick Mulchrone
A ROYAL Navy doctor is to keep his job, despite downloading more than 3,800 child-porn images from the internet.
Surgeon-lieutenant Stuart Ruthven, 27, claimed that months underwater on submarine duty had sent him stir-crazy. He was bored and "looking to see what was out there".
Last night his reprieve from the General Medical Council provoked outrage from child protection experts.
Dr Michelle Elliot, director of the charity Kidscape, said the decision was "absolutely disgusting".
She added: "The message it sends out is that child pornography is not a serious offence, and it is perfectly acceptable to download it, look at it and then just get on with your life.
"Someone needs to re-educate the GMC and the Navy about the terrible effects.
"If he wants to dig ditches for a living fine - but there is no way he should be allowed to continue his medical career."
The GMC, sitting in Manchester, accepted that Ruthven's offences - for which he has already been dealt with in a criminal court - were "isolated, transitory in nature and not for sexual gratification".
Many of the images were low- level, showing children in erotic poses. But 45 were sickening sights of sexual activity with adults.
Ruthven, a medical officer at HMS Drake naval base in Plymouth, first downloaded child-porn in 1999 while being sponsored through university by the Navy.
He signed on for six years in 2001 and trained as a submariner. He had eight months underwater in 2002-3.
Police inquiries found he had used his credit card to access websites and download images.
During shore leave in January 2003, he pursued his sordid activity at his parents' house. Ruthven, of Flixton, Greater Manchester, told yesterday's hearing: "It's very unusual coming ashore after all that time, you get used to the six-hour shifts and the cramped conditions.
"It was almost the thrill of the chase and perhaps I was rebelling after so long at sea." He said images were deleted straightaway and called his searches a "scientific quest".
GMC disciplinary committee head Alyson Leslie said the risk of him re-offending was "negligible".
Ruthven must now work under supervision. Previously in court, he had admitted 12 offences of making indecent images. He got 18 months' community rehabilitation and cannot work with children under 16.
He will also go on the sex offenders' register for five years.
The Navy said: "He will continue as a doctor in accordance with the conditions set down by the GMC."
Ruthven now faces a Navy inquiry but his boss Captain Nicholas Morgan said: "I am confident he is not only remorseful, he is safe
The bit where they was reading from the list of incidents
"A man was orderd to roll around in the mud for doing something wrong... then shouted at again for having mud on his uniform..."
That was well funny, if that happened to me I wouldn't see that as being victimised unless I did absolutely nothing wrong, even then, it wouldn't bother me too much.
I just felt that the Tv people where bringing up every little thing they could just to try give the army a bad name, like some little grass at school.
"A man was orderd to roll around in the mud for doing something wrong... then shouted at again for having mud on his uniform..."
That was well funny, if that happened to me I wouldn't see that as being victimised unless I did absolutely nothing wrong, even then, it wouldn't bother me too much.
I just felt that the Tv people where bringing up every little thing they could just to try give the army a bad name, like some little grass at school.
