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Women in the SAS?
Women in the SAS?
What do people think about women being allowed to join the SAS? I personally think its a great idea as i would love to join, and in future I think people are campaigning for women to be allowed in front line work, such as the SAS. What does everyone think about this?
Nope
No woman should be allowed for 3 main reasons i can think of
1. Not as good as Men
2. Would be a distration to the men in the squad
3. Woman take to long to get ready
sorry if i have offended you in anyway
1. Not as good as Men
2. Would be a distration to the men in the squad
3. Woman take to long to get ready
sorry if i have offended you in anyway
Dis i spell that right?
As ever Chris, you've proved yourself to be an invaluable source of information!
Any chance of you making a constructive comment this life time?
Women should be allowed to try for selection.......
Did you see the program recently regarding SAS selection? A women did actually pass and many men gave up miles and miles before her. It might not of been the exact replicer of official selection but they work the volenteers bloody hard.Special forces means your the best and selection should be based on ability not gender.
Just think Chris, some women can run faster and longer whilst knocking out more press ups than you!
Aye,
wilson
Any chance of you making a constructive comment this life time?
Women should be allowed to try for selection.......
Did you see the program recently regarding SAS selection? A women did actually pass and many men gave up miles and miles before her. It might not of been the exact replicer of official selection but they work the volenteers bloody hard.Special forces means your the best and selection should be based on ability not gender.
Just think Chris, some women can run faster and longer whilst knocking out more press ups than you!
Aye,
wilson
The only thing that stops your body before you pass out is your mind. Never give in!
If they can do it i see no reason why they shouldnt be allowed as long as they can control the eratic mood swings and chocolate intake 
SAS Are you tough enough proved that there are women out there who pocess the determination and qualities to make it. I think the reason for women not being allowed at present is morals on that of the goverment.
SAS Are you tough enough proved that there are women out there who pocess the determination and qualities to make it. I think the reason for women not being allowed at present is morals on that of the goverment.
Ok, you say they take a long time to get ready, me and my friends are 15 (15yr old females are known to take the longest time to get ready out of anyone) and we've timed that we can get dressed, teeth brushed and out the door in four minutes 24 seconds. Women are just as good as men, we can beat most of our male friends (who are training for navy in their school yr 11) in a fight, race, and pushup contest (we do karate), and if the men choose to be distracted by the women thats no fault other than their own and should not be a valid reason for the exclusion of women. Very sorry i missed the program, that sounded really interesting. And cronkilla, we'll control the chocolate intake if you lot control the beer intake! Cheers for replyin. toni xxx
Four mins and twenty seconds, you better get that down to two minutes. 
There are valid reasons, but I won't go into them, as this will let the cat out of the bag.
Don't get me wrong, i'm not against the idea, but certain regiments/corps/services should remain male only.
There was a great debate about women in the Royal Marines, try a search you might find it.
There are valid reasons, but I won't go into them, as this will let the cat out of the bag.
Don't get me wrong, i'm not against the idea, but certain regiments/corps/services should remain male only.
There was a great debate about women in the Royal Marines, try a search you might find it.
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voodoo sprout
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Women will never be allowed into the SAS. Ever. End of story. Why? because by the time they are allowed into the unit usually called the SAS, will have bene renamed the "unit of generally accepted British origin, using air but not discrimitating against other minority insertion techniques, service also rehabilitation for minoirty groups and young offenders to be used to help any who hold different views and allowing an outlet for their aggression". Or something .
Or more correctly, the following reasons should in my view and of most people prohibit women from military special forces.
1) Unit cohesion. It is a biological fact that people of differing ender will distract each other, and affect the other both mentally and physically; and anything which distracts the team from the job is bad. Yes, they are professional enough to ignore who they are wokign with (in terms of unnecessary attention), but no amount of professionalism can overcome that. And things really start going wrong if a relationship does flair up between two members, and there is no garuntee that would not happen.
2) Instinct. Men will naturally be mroe inclined to assist women, aprticularly when they ar i danger. The experience of Israeli SF is well known; the men would would make poor judgements when women were in trouble, while they would act normally if it was a man. And Israeli SF are accpeted as among the best in the world, so you could expect the same to happen with any other unit including UKSF.
3) Respect. Most people who women would work with in UKSF would probably give them due respect, but women would operate a lot with people outside of UKSF. A common role of UKSF is to train, train with, or operate with, foreign toops. Especially in the middle East (where as it happens, a lot will be happening in the nar future), women will simply not be respected by a lot of people of other nations and cultures, particularly the likes of Arabs. Respect is critical when working with other units, many of whom may have paid for you to train them, and the presence of women could seriously inhibit completing the job in hand. And even if women ar not part of the package, the fact that the unit has women as troops wll reduce the unit standing throughout the world with all the implications that follow.
You can say that the reasons are simply mens fault, but even if it all all down to sexism, they are valid. When it comes down to it, the other 300 men are more important than you. Whatever the reason, if a woman causes problems, then they are causing problems. If a woman is part of a team, and due to the men not paying enough attention to the job because of that they fail, the task is still failed. It does not suddenly become a success because "it was the mens fault for not concentrating". After all, you could say it's the fault of the men themselves for not being able to fly. So on the next HALO, forget the parachutes, just chuck them out with a bergn and if they die it's their own fault. Woud that work?
EDIT: And the MoD hasn't got enough money to make castration a requirement for selection, so don't try that one.
.Or more correctly, the following reasons should in my view and of most people prohibit women from military special forces.
1) Unit cohesion. It is a biological fact that people of differing ender will distract each other, and affect the other both mentally and physically; and anything which distracts the team from the job is bad. Yes, they are professional enough to ignore who they are wokign with (in terms of unnecessary attention), but no amount of professionalism can overcome that. And things really start going wrong if a relationship does flair up between two members, and there is no garuntee that would not happen.
2) Instinct. Men will naturally be mroe inclined to assist women, aprticularly when they ar i danger. The experience of Israeli SF is well known; the men would would make poor judgements when women were in trouble, while they would act normally if it was a man. And Israeli SF are accpeted as among the best in the world, so you could expect the same to happen with any other unit including UKSF.
3) Respect. Most people who women would work with in UKSF would probably give them due respect, but women would operate a lot with people outside of UKSF. A common role of UKSF is to train, train with, or operate with, foreign toops. Especially in the middle East (where as it happens, a lot will be happening in the nar future), women will simply not be respected by a lot of people of other nations and cultures, particularly the likes of Arabs. Respect is critical when working with other units, many of whom may have paid for you to train them, and the presence of women could seriously inhibit completing the job in hand. And even if women ar not part of the package, the fact that the unit has women as troops wll reduce the unit standing throughout the world with all the implications that follow.
You can say that the reasons are simply mens fault, but even if it all all down to sexism, they are valid. When it comes down to it, the other 300 men are more important than you. Whatever the reason, if a woman causes problems, then they are causing problems. If a woman is part of a team, and due to the men not paying enough attention to the job because of that they fail, the task is still failed. It does not suddenly become a success because "it was the mens fault for not concentrating". After all, you could say it's the fault of the men themselves for not being able to fly. So on the next HALO, forget the parachutes, just chuck them out with a bergn and if they die it's their own fault. Woud that work?
EDIT: And the MoD hasn't got enough money to make castration a requirement for selection, so don't try that one
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Don't be fooled into thinking the 'SAS are you tough enough?' TV series is anything like as punishing as SAS selection. The contestants were tested for 10 days, competing in some of the more well known test week selection events such as Fan dance, long drag, etc. Granted what they were subjected to was by no means easy, Barry Davies would not have had it any other way, and he was genuinely impressed with the woman who made it to the end. However, at times she was in shit state and could've quite easily been binned on selection proper. The program was a 'taster', selection as it stands is much much longer.
Let them try selection I say, but first women in front line units has to be allowed, which has much wider implications than letting a few women try for the SAS.
Let them try selection I say, but first women in front line units has to be allowed, which has much wider implications than letting a few women try for the SAS.
women should only be allowed in if they pass the same standards set for the men. No times, obsitcles or other challenges should be altered to meet women. If then women can do everything as good as men or better then let them in. Its like GI Jane, they tried to give her aids like steps over the big wall and men with faster times failed and she didnt etc, if that happens then whats the point?
There are 3 kinds of people: those who can count & those who can't.
I'm afraid I disagree guys, I believe there is a role for female opperatives within HQSF. Ok they may not "fit in" with units such as the SAS & SBS, but women have been working with other UKSF units for some time now (some very successfully).
So I don't believe we can say women will never be able to join the SAS/SBS. Ok they may not be able to complete the selection or training, therefore theoretically they can't join such units - but there may be scope for high calibre females with certain skills to work alongside teams/individuals from these units.
You only have to look at the armed Police units of today, more and more females are carrying weapons on the street - isn't that the front line too?
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So I don't believe we can say women will never be able to join the SAS/SBS. Ok they may not be able to complete the selection or training, therefore theoretically they can't join such units - but there may be scope for high calibre females with certain skills to work alongside teams/individuals from these units.
You only have to look at the armed Police units of today, more and more females are carrying weapons on the street - isn't that the front line too?
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Just gonna start by sayin cheers tony!
You can all say it'll never happen but how would you know? You're mostly men i'm guessing so you probably wouldn't want us joining anyway as it would take away another of your masculine things you do to try and impres us. I really think if we can meet the same standards as you then you can't just say no coz you're female. Thats blatantly wrong. Ive been working towards this for nearly two years, and much as you may say im wasting my time (believe me my sister tells me eevry day!) i believe that women will be allowed in some day. Thanks for trying to shatter my dreams (or as you might cal it "bring me back to reality") but you don't know whats gonna happen.
You can all say it'll never happen but how would you know? You're mostly men i'm guessing so you probably wouldn't want us joining anyway as it would take away another of your masculine things you do to try and impres us. I really think if we can meet the same standards as you then you can't just say no coz you're female. Thats blatantly wrong. Ive been working towards this for nearly two years, and much as you may say im wasting my time (believe me my sister tells me eevry day!) i believe that women will be allowed in some day. Thanks for trying to shatter my dreams (or as you might cal it "bring me back to reality") but you don't know whats gonna happen.
