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Cathal has some fair points but it also irks me when Catholics in NI still try to slag off the police and try and claim similar persecution still exists cos it doesnt. And its common knowledge that Messrs Adams and McGuiness are members of the IRA Army Council while they swan around Westminister claiming expenses. The ogre of PC has also made its way over the water. Now its all about equal opportunities, this that an the other blablabla.
I admit that I give DelD a dig about being a cop over here. Personally I have no real problems with the police and would consider it as a career after a few years in the military. However having lived in NI for the past 21 years and due to my upbringing/experiences I found some of DelD's comments just what you would expect of an RUC officer. I accept there is a new police service now the PSNI and the RUC is gone. But I believe this change is best summed up by a phrase from a Royal Marines Commando recruitment handout explaining about a recruits first few days at CTCRM. It says "appearances start to change in a short time; attitudes take a little longer!" DelD's comments are a perfect example of this.
DelD
Well put on what is a highly contentious topic - probably too contentious for a forum like this - but that 's never stopped us before. I agree your comment that there has never been an united Irish Republic as an entity. Mainly because of the tribal nature of the country pre 1000AD (ish) but also because it has been a country subjugated by conquest ever since. Nevertheless the island of Ireland as 'country' existed from pre-history until 1921/2 - when Northern Ireland was created - an artificial construction with borders drawn to ensure a protestant majority (I hate talking about protestants and catholics - maybe I should stick to Unionists/Republicans).
One thing that puzzles me: when the United Brotherhood of Irishmen rose up in revolt against British rule, most of them were 'protestants' from Ulster, with only one county from the South joining in to help before the rising was put down. And that 'icon' of anti-British rule, Wolfe Tone, was a protestant from the North??
One query you can help me with: what's the difference between a Republican and a Nationalist; and between a Unionist and a Loyalist? Are the terms interchangeable or is there a difference?
Sometimes, this forum is just like being back in school!
Well put on what is a highly contentious topic - probably too contentious for a forum like this - but that 's never stopped us before. I agree your comment that there has never been an united Irish Republic as an entity. Mainly because of the tribal nature of the country pre 1000AD (ish) but also because it has been a country subjugated by conquest ever since. Nevertheless the island of Ireland as 'country' existed from pre-history until 1921/2 - when Northern Ireland was created - an artificial construction with borders drawn to ensure a protestant majority (I hate talking about protestants and catholics - maybe I should stick to Unionists/Republicans).
One thing that puzzles me: when the United Brotherhood of Irishmen rose up in revolt against British rule, most of them were 'protestants' from Ulster, with only one county from the South joining in to help before the rising was put down. And that 'icon' of anti-British rule, Wolfe Tone, was a protestant from the North??
One query you can help me with: what's the difference between a Republican and a Nationalist; and between a Unionist and a Loyalist? Are the terms interchangeable or is there a difference?
Sometimes, this forum is just like being back in school!
Del
Cheers! V. interesting/informative. Can you comment on the bit about the 'protestant' uprising (was it c.1779?) against British Rule (the UBI). I know it was put down by the British but when did they 'turn' to support British Rule? Was it after declaration of the Irish Free State or Home Rule etc...
Hang on! Maybe I should get to the library and do a bit of reading up!? I've got too many questions for a forum like this.
I guess it's just the inquisitive streak in me.
At lest the thread's motivated me to do a bit more "research"!
Cheers! V. interesting/informative. Can you comment on the bit about the 'protestant' uprising (was it c.1779?) against British Rule (the UBI). I know it was put down by the British but when did they 'turn' to support British Rule? Was it after declaration of the Irish Free State or Home Rule etc...
Hang on! Maybe I should get to the library and do a bit of reading up!?
I've got too many questions for a forum like this. I guess it's just the inquisitive streak in me.
At lest the thread's motivated me to do a bit more "research"!How’s it going Walter sorry DelD. Knew you would reply. Firstly I do not believe that you are a PSNI officer you just aren’t smart enough to be in the police and you are far too bigoted. Sounds like the RUC job description. Seriously though I do believe you to be a Walter Mitty prat. And I would like to respond to a few of your ramblings (I cant let you spout your bigoted clap trap without being challenged so here goes).
When you said you were not allowed to play Gaelic games I take it you were referring to rule 21 of the Gaelic Athletic Association, which banned members of the British forces from joining the association. I believe it was introduced due to British soldiers opening fire on a crowd of supporters and players during a match in Croke Park in Dublin during the War of Independence 1918-21. That rule no longer exists and its removal was the subject of much media attention as was the establishment of the PSNI Gaelic football team. Surely if you are a serving officer or even intelligent enough to look at a paper from time to time (the Newsletter even covered the story) you would know this. By the way the British forces in NI have their own Gaelic team (the combined services NI team).
The sports of Gaelic football and hurling are not artificially created you fool they pre-date rugby and soccer by many centuries. Hurling was played by Cu Chulainn a figure in Irish folk stories and he was knocking about before St. Patrick came to Ireland in the 900's. And as for people from the cityside in Derry voting for the DUP you are mad. That is like Jewish people voting for Hitler as their favourite personality from the twentieth century. I am a moderate catholic, I come from a quiet nationalist area, I do not hate the Brits, I am not an IRA supporter and I have plans to join the British forces. All this makes me unusual, and a traitor in the eyes of most of the people I know (they don’t know my plans). But under no circumstances would I ever vote for the DUP. People from the Bogside and Creggan in Derry are hardcore republicans and they definitely would not vote DUP why do you think that Derry City Council has a majority of nationalist/ republican councillors?
Can I also ask you why you say Sinn Fein/IRA and why you do not say Progressive Unionist Party/UVF or Ulster Political Research Group/UDA/UFF? Just wondering (I know it's a mouthful). Sinn Fein denies being the political wing of the IRA which every one knows is b*****ks however the loyalist parties publicly declare they represent paramilitary groups but don’t get the word association treatment.
I await your reply Walter
When you said you were not allowed to play Gaelic games I take it you were referring to rule 21 of the Gaelic Athletic Association, which banned members of the British forces from joining the association. I believe it was introduced due to British soldiers opening fire on a crowd of supporters and players during a match in Croke Park in Dublin during the War of Independence 1918-21. That rule no longer exists and its removal was the subject of much media attention as was the establishment of the PSNI Gaelic football team. Surely if you are a serving officer or even intelligent enough to look at a paper from time to time (the Newsletter even covered the story) you would know this. By the way the British forces in NI have their own Gaelic team (the combined services NI team).
The sports of Gaelic football and hurling are not artificially created you fool they pre-date rugby and soccer by many centuries. Hurling was played by Cu Chulainn a figure in Irish folk stories and he was knocking about before St. Patrick came to Ireland in the 900's. And as for people from the cityside in Derry voting for the DUP you are mad. That is like Jewish people voting for Hitler as their favourite personality from the twentieth century. I am a moderate catholic, I come from a quiet nationalist area, I do not hate the Brits, I am not an IRA supporter and I have plans to join the British forces. All this makes me unusual, and a traitor in the eyes of most of the people I know (they don’t know my plans). But under no circumstances would I ever vote for the DUP. People from the Bogside and Creggan in Derry are hardcore republicans and they definitely would not vote DUP why do you think that Derry City Council has a majority of nationalist/ republican councillors?
Can I also ask you why you say Sinn Fein/IRA and why you do not say Progressive Unionist Party/UVF or Ulster Political Research Group/UDA/UFF? Just wondering (I know it's a mouthful). Sinn Fein denies being the political wing of the IRA which every one knows is b*****ks however the loyalist parties publicly declare they represent paramilitary groups but don’t get the word association treatment.
I await your reply Walter
I thought NI's current troubles were about smuggling diesel, didn't realise it was about sport?
Argh too complicated head full!
A very informative thread probably a little bit too "local knowledge" for most peoples tastes or concentration levels, but keep it up maybe we can glean a clearer picture about whats going on over the water.
Apologies for making light of a deep one
Toodle pip
bongo
Argh too complicated head full!
A very informative thread probably a little bit too "local knowledge" for most peoples tastes or concentration levels, but keep it up maybe we can glean a clearer picture about whats going on over the water.
Apologies for making light of a deep one
Toodle pip
bongo
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harry hackedoff
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This thread is being pushed over the line where reasoned debate and arguement ends, and open bigotry begins. And I don`t mean the responses from DelD, either.
Cathal, you claim to be a moderate catholic.
If you want to continue posting on here, tone down your attitude mate.
The recent spate of posters, with Republican sympathies, has been noted.
The removal of Maverick was questioned at the time by people who`s opinions I respect. In view of where this thread is now, perhaps they can see the dillema. "You can`t please all of the people, all of the time"
The name of this site is Militaryforums.co, not Uninformed oppinion.co.
Aye,
Cathal, you claim to be a moderate catholic.
How’s it going Walter sorry DelD. Knew you would reply. Firstly I do not believe that you are a PSNI officer you just aren’t smart enough to be in the police and you are far too bigoted. Sounds like the RUC job description. Seriously though I do believe you to be a Walter Mitty prat. And I would like to respond to a few of your ramblings (I cant let you spout your bigoted clap trap without being challenged so here goes).
If you want to continue posting on here, tone down your attitude mate.
The recent spate of posters, with Republican sympathies, has been noted.
Well, don`t read them then, muppet.Well said Cathal, Being an Irish Catholic whose family have fought for the British army for the last 80 odd years, I find Deld's comments also offensive
The removal of Maverick was questioned at the time by people who`s opinions I respect. In view of where this thread is now, perhaps they can see the dillema. "You can`t please all of the people, all of the time"
The name of this site is Militaryforums.co, not Uninformed oppinion.co.
To all regular posters who are pissed off with certain "elements", wait for the Forum Upgrade. We can then get back to where we were, last year.And its common knowledge that Messrs Adams and McGuiness are members of the IRA Army Council while they swan around Westminister claiming expenses. The ogre of PC has also made its way over the water. Now its all about equal opportunities, this that an the other blablabla
Aye,
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Cathal
I was really disappointed to read comments like 'Walter' and 'prat' in your reply. Some of us are trying to understand the deep divide in NI, beyond what the media churns out: this thread could help us in that - but not if it turns into a name-calling contest (which Harry has already pointed out ain't gonna happen).
Anyway, here's a question for you - when the United Brotherhood of Irishmen rebelled against British rule in the 18th century it was mainly Ulster protestants supported by one county from the South (Cork, I think). Do you know when the protestants changed from wanting a United Ireland free of British rule, to support rule from London instead - and why?
I was really disappointed to read comments like 'Walter' and 'prat' in your reply. Some of us are trying to understand the deep divide in NI, beyond what the media churns out: this thread could help us in that - but not if it turns into a name-calling contest (which Harry has already pointed out ain't gonna happen).
Anyway, here's a question for you - when the United Brotherhood of Irishmen rebelled against British rule in the 18th century it was mainly Ulster protestants supported by one county from the South (Cork, I think). Do you know when the protestants changed from wanting a United Ireland free of British rule, to support rule from London instead - and why?
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Cathal
I thought Cu Chullain was a mythical character?
Maybe not.
P.S this is not a cheap knock at a respected figure in gaelic culture, I just genuinely thought he was a myth, like being able to hit a hurling ball from Dublin to Armagh??? (about 80 miles)
I thought Cu Chullain was a mythical character?
Maybe not.
P.S this is not a cheap knock at a respected figure in gaelic culture, I just genuinely thought he was a myth, like being able to hit a hurling ball from Dublin to Armagh??? (about 80 miles)
you gotta search within you, you gotta find that inner strength, and just pull that shit out of you, and get that motivation to not give up, and not be a quitter no matter how bad you wanna fall flat on your face
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Cu Chullain. His birth name was Satanta, it is alleged that he killed the town smiths dog, therefore had to take over the duties of the dog, the smiths name being Cullan "Cu Chullain", the hound of Cullan.
Further myths of Cu Chullain are that after battle his blood boiled. Naked maidens would meet him outside the village with baths of cold water. He would make the first bath of water evaporate, the second boil and the third would cool him down enough that he could enter the village.
The Celts had very vivid imaginations. They could take an every day event and turn it into the most fantastic story. Did Cu Chullain ever exist? Somebody possibly did, (Satanta). Did he carry out all of those fantastic deeds? Very doubtful.
Aye - Andy.
Cu Chullain. His birth name was Satanta, it is alleged that he killed the town smiths dog, therefore had to take over the duties of the dog, the smiths name being Cullan "Cu Chullain", the hound of Cullan.
Further myths of Cu Chullain are that after battle his blood boiled. Naked maidens would meet him outside the village with baths of cold water. He would make the first bath of water evaporate, the second boil and the third would cool him down enough that he could enter the village.
The Celts had very vivid imaginations. They could take an every day event and turn it into the most fantastic story. Did Cu Chullain ever exist? Somebody possibly did, (Satanta). Did he carry out all of those fantastic deeds? Very doubtful.
Aye - Andy.
