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Jaming LSW
Jaming LSW
i thinking of joing soon but have heerd the LSW the Marines/Army use jams up alot is this true?
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To not join because of a particular piece of equipment is a bit extreme! thats not to say it should not concern you but to decide against joining because of one piece(albiet an important one) I think is really goin to far! Besides the piece of kit that should concern you most is what would be your personal weapon the SA80 which from what I hear should concern you. (I know the LSW is a modified SA80). I am also quite sure the RM have started using the Minimi light machine gun though I don't know if this is replacing the LSW or just to be used in conjunction with it. Hopefully some else on here will. from experience I can say the Minimi (the C9 in Canadian service) is an excellent and reliable weapon, not perfect mind you but it'll get the job done. If I were you most of my decision would be based on how good the training and quality of life is in the army or RM. Not to mention before an the LSW's reliablity concerns you the RM or army are goining to have to be satisfied with your sutability and reliability, and that should be your biggest concern. A good soldier with imperfect equipment is better off than a poor soldier with perfect equipment. ( of course now all the RM's on this forum will tell you that the Paras are really screwed) 
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Speaking from second/third hand experience, the SA80 jams quite a lot, and as the LSW is the same mechanism, does as well. Within certain units including the RM the FN minimi is used, but for some reason they chose the para version with a short barrel, so effective range is not far meaning the LSW will still be used at ranges, although whether in a true suppressive fire role or more as a designated marksman rifle I am unaware.
New SA80 isn't as bad.
Minmi is an addition rather than replacement. Has 200 round ammo box so user can rattle off what he likes. Range is at least as god as LSW. GPMG is also used in Light role.
Minmi is an addition rather than replacement. Has 200 round ammo box so user can rattle off what he likes. Range is at least as god as LSW. GPMG is also used in Light role.
voodoo sprout wrote:Speaking from second/third hand experience, the SA80 jams quite a lot, and as the LSW is the same mechanism, does as well. Within certain units including the RM the FN minimi is used, but for some reason they chose the para version with a short barrel, so effective range is not far meaning the LSW will still be used at ranges, although whether in a true suppressive fire role or more as a designated marksman rifle I am unaware.
I was curious too on this subject. I heard that the SA80 was replaced with the Minimi in Afghanistan! Also, I understand that the SAS use the Minimi as apposed to the SA80. I am not aware of any other countries that use the SA80! Is the SA80 that bad? I just pulled some info on the Minimi and apparantly it's plus points are high magazine capicity; light weight; amazing reliabilty and its cons are too long to reload due to belt fed operation; boxes of ammo can sometimes rattle (stealth).
You heard a fat lot of shite. 
Minimi was used for a lot of sentry details, even by a chef or two but
It couldn't replace the SA80A2, its a machine gun not a rifle.
(chef's or cooks?!?
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The SAS use whatever they like basically. G3 still in use or getting on a bit?. Current fav is either an M16+M203 I think.
Dont' worry bout the SAS, they fight in different way to RM and so have different requirements.
It couldn't replace the SA80A2, its a machine gun not a rifle.
Its light-weight for a machince gun, still twice as heavy as Sa80 and a lot heavier than LSW. Its not that amazingly reliable either, Think it hits 74% happy with reliability in USMC survey.
US version can take an M16 mag. It can also take belt fed but thats not used, use a large box attachment instead.
Only problem with A2 is cleaning it still. Needs oil all the time even in sand conditions - hence the failures in afgan land.
K
Minimi was used for a lot of sentry details, even by a chef or two but
It couldn't replace the SA80A2, its a machine gun not a rifle.
(chef's or cooks?!?
)The SAS use whatever they like basically. G3 still in use or getting on a bit?. Current fav is either an M16+M203 I think.
Dont' worry bout the SAS, they fight in different way to RM and so have different requirements.
It couldn't replace the SA80A2, its a machine gun not a rifle.
Its light-weight for a machince gun, still twice as heavy as Sa80 and a lot heavier than LSW. Its not that amazingly reliable either, Think it hits 74% happy with reliability in USMC survey.
US version can take an M16 mag. It can also take belt fed but thats not used, use a large box attachment instead.
Only problem with A2 is cleaning it still. Needs oil all the time even in sand conditions - hence the failures in afgan land.
K
LMDAVIES wrote:I was curious too on this subject. I heard that the SA80 was replaced with the Minimi in Afghanistan! Also, I understand that the SAS use the Minimi as apposed to the SA80. I am not aware of any other countries that use the SA80! Is the SA80 that bad? I just pulled some info on the Minimi and apparantly it's plus points are high magazine capicity; light weight; amazing reliabilty and its cons are too long to reload due to belt fed operation; boxes of ammo can sometimes rattle (stealth).
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All versions of the minimi use a belt feed as standard, the box/bag is simply a method of keeping the belt in tidy layers to keep it feeding cleanly (the main reason GPMG's operate with 2 people is because of this). In all caes, they will accept M16 etc STANAG magazines, but only in emergencies as after about 100 rounds/magazines (I forget which) the bolt will be damaged too much to operate.
But I wouldnt be surprised if you read the minimi had replaced SA80s, as logically, it has. If units still operate with the same number of LSW's, GPMG's etc, then obviously you have to remove an SA80 if you're going to have a pair of hands to lug the minimi around hence one SA80 per fireteam has been replaced.
Regarding the SAS, they do still use the C7/8 with M203 mainly (UKSF picked up an awful lot of them a while ago), and I expect they still use the G3 if only as a mid range sniper rifle.
But I wouldnt be surprised if you read the minimi had replaced SA80s, as logically, it has. If units still operate with the same number of LSW's, GPMG's etc, then obviously you have to remove an SA80 if you're going to have a pair of hands to lug the minimi around hence one SA80 per fireteam has been replaced.
Regarding the SAS, they do still use the C7/8 with M203 mainly (UKSF picked up an awful lot of them a while ago), and I expect they still use the G3 if only as a mid range sniper rifle.
I wouldn't really count that as its usually 1 per section not fire team, therefore replacing and swapping less than 10% isn't the same thing to me. With that logic the sa80 has been replaced by the browning 0.5 and also the new long range support rifle.Cdo 21 moved the goalposts.
Not really a big deal anyway, the firepower in a commando unit is everything required, and half of it is now carried around via vehicles.
Hoorah! Less of the bergen hauling!
k
Not really a big deal anyway, the firepower in a commando unit is everything required, and half of it is now carried around via vehicles.
Hoorah! Less of the bergen hauling!
k
voodoo sprout wrote:All versions of the minimi use a belt feed as standard, the box/bag is simply a method of keeping the belt in tidy layers to keep it feeding cleanly (the main reason GPMG's operate with 2 people is because of this). In all caes, they will accept M16 etc STANAG magazines, but only in emergencies as after about 100 rounds/magazines (I forget which) the bolt will be damaged too much to operate.
But I wouldnt be surprised if you read the minimi had replaced SA80s, as logically, it has. If units still operate with the same number of LSW's, GPMG's etc, then obviously you have to remove an SA80 if you're going to have a pair of hands to lug the minimi around hence one SA80 per fireteam has been replaced.
Regarding the SAS, they do still use the C7/8 with M203 mainly (UKSF picked up an awful lot of them a while ago), and I expect they still use the G3 if only as a mid range sniper rifle.
