Gaining weight

[eagleeye]

Thanks for all the advice, I won't throw it away and not bother because i asked for help and you all gave it me, cheers!!!!

[lodge939]

what marine wannabe said is bang on.

[AJtothemax]

what marine wannabe said is bang on.

Not entirely.

Training one body part a day is good for growth, its how body builders train (or they train two sets of muscle groups together e.g. chest and triceps, biceps and back etc).

All im saying is that this effects your cv endurance, you try doing some sprint training or some long distance running after training hard like that. You'll soon know what i mean because i used to do it. You wont be as strong, your body will adapt but it wont be reaching its full potential.

Just a thought if you were considering doing cardio with it.

[marinewannabe]

Not trying to undo what you said aj but weight training is hugely beneficial for long distance , short distance hell... any distance . It increases the muscles abilty to recover , increases the strength of that muscle thus more speed in a race or run . Many a long distance runner weight train for higher reps , to improve the running capability , for instance i started squatting around a year ago , back then i could run a 100m in around 14 seconds , and a 400m around 1.05 and a 1500m around 7.00 im no fitter now then i was back then , ive always had a high c.v. level , but now after training the legs with sqauts , leg press e.t.c my 100m is now under 13 secs , my 400m is 57 secs, and my 1500m , is 6.30. all im saying is weight training is highly beneficial if you just want to put on some good lean muscle , not the massive amount that bodybuilders go thorugh , anyway there bodies are the results off , a high calory off season bulking diet and by that i mean an insane amount of food e.g 4500 cals plus, then a cutting diet in summer , and on top of that every supplement imaginable and , in quite a few cases... steroids . All im saying is a mixture of cardio and weight training is highly beneficial.

[AJtothemax]

Not trying to undo what you said aj but weight training is hugely beneficial for long distance , short distance hell... any distance . It increases the muscles abilty to recover , increases the strength of that muscle thus more speed in a race or run . Many a long distance runner weight train for higher reps , to improve the running capability , for instance i started squatting around a year ago , back then i could run a 100m in around 14 seconds , and a 400m around 1.05 and a 1500m around 7.00 im no fitter now then i was back then , ive always had a high c.v. level , but now after training the legs with sqauts , leg press e.t.c my 100m is now under 13 secs , my 400m is 57 secs, and my 1500m , is 6.30. all im saying is weight training is highly beneficial if you just want to put on some good lean muscle , not the massive amount that bodybuilders go thorugh , anyway there bodies are the results off , a high calory off season bulking diet and by that i mean an insane amount of food e.g 4500 cals plus, then a cutting diet in summer , and on top of that every supplement imaginable and , in quite a few cases... steroids . All im saying is a mixture of cardio and weight training is highly beneficial.

Yes i understand, coming from a rugby background i know.

All i was saying was that if you try and do a mixture of super-sets, drop-sets and even pyramids you will feel it on your legs! Trust me, i know! I've been there and got the t-shirt.

Im not doubting you, you are right

All im saying is that, to train how bodybuilders train and work on your cv, is not a good idea. They counter-act one another because your muscles cannot cope with the recovery and work rate that you are placing on them and therefore cannot give maximum benefits. Thats all im saying, and its right. However its not contradicting you ok mate. I was just simply pointing out something as a guideline, because someone may wish to follow that to bulk up, hence the reason why i stated that. Yes you can continue to train cv, but you wont get the best benefits. The same goes for every body part.

I've trained around those guys for 2years, i even trained with the former brit bodybuilding champ whos now a pro. Those guys know what they're talking about when it comes to muscle building. It doesnt work well with cv.

So im not going against what your saying, in fact im actually aiding your posts

All the best.

[marinewannabe]

yeh your right there matey it's proberly overtraining doing all that amount but you know what i mean small amount of weights and cardio would be good but yeh im off good luck with your application fella.

[Beast]

Come on chaps...

Weight training is NOT essential.
If you feel the must just stick to light weight exercises and plenty of cardiovascular work.

Its about endurance, not who can carry and lift the most weight in their bleedin' bergen!

If you build too much muscle mass you will lack endurance.

[AJtothemax]

yeh your right there matey it's proberly overtraining doing all that amount but you know what i mean small amount of weights and cardio would be good but yeh im off good luck with your application fella.

Yeah i do, its all good. Thanks, all the best.

Come on chaps...

Weight training is NOT essential.
If you feel the must just stick to light weight exercises and plenty of cardiovascular work.

Its about endurance, not who can carry and lift the most weight in their bleedin' bergen!

If you build too much muscle mass you will lack endurance.

Your right. But it was just answering what someone had asked for, or adding to the information. I dont care about how much someone can bench pres or 'how much they can lift in their bergen' - i never said it was about that mate, all it was is an answer to what someone had requested.

You had your reasons though Beast, i understand that.

[Daveboots]

in regards too supersets/dropsets on muscle groups and cardiovascular endurance, Hitting muscle groups seperately is a good way too promote the growth of lean muscle tissue. This method does not effect the ability too perform any form of Endurance workouts unless of course the same muscles being worked in the weight room, are used shortly after for your CV sessions. But even this applies too your basic compounds, If the volume of your weight training routine is High, the amount of time required too recover will be, Longer, thus performing cardiovascular workouts with Fatiqued muscles, will slow down growth, and most likely make your CV sessions more difficult too complete.
Weight training is a great tool, especially too aid in sporting performance!
It is a fact that An increase in muscular strength will aid in the development of strength qualities such as muscular endurance (your pressups, bodyweight squats etc), and speed strength (power, sprinting etc). I have personally experienced this, at 10 stone 4lbs and 6ft i was maxing out at 60 pushups AFTER months and months of hard hard training. A year later with more muscle mass (13 stone) too my frame, and a lot more strength, Without even performing pushups for over 6 months, my first set i performed 62, Which is a 2 rep increase without even training too complete sets of high rep pushups. I can also say my speed on the 100m Sprint has improved, But since i have cut my cardio workouts completely, Of course i have dropped cardiovascular endurance.
One of the lads said earlier, FORM is everything, IT IS!!!!. i cant
stress that enough either, the 3 seconds down, pause, 3 seconds up
rule is the REAL way too lift weights, none of the bouncing crap, thats
bull s**t. With good form muscle contraction will be better, thus you will
correctly break down muscle tissue. The next step is caloric intake, A surplus
is required too grow, After this good periods of rest are required, and if
the scales are moving up nice and slowly, and your strength in the gym is
increasing over the weeks, Your doing it correctly.

This advice aside, Muscle growth is that simple, Break down the tissue, A high intake of nutrients (calories), Rest, allow the muscles adequate time too recover, then comes the next key.
Consistency!
you have to be consistant throughout your training, your eating has to be consistant and so does your training, both work alongside each other, One without the other, and your going nowhere.

Being 14 years of age, its a perfect age too begin lifting in my opinion, you get the advantage of having time on your side, you have a few years yet before you head into the royals if thats your choice, And building a strong foundation for the next year or two would be a great way too start. Listen too SOME of the advice given in this Thread and reap the benefits! You dont need two years too get fit! but it DOES take years too get strong!.

(btw if you need any help in regards too routine or so fourth, id be gladly willing too help you out, i bet some of the other members would too!)

[rc]

I would steer clear of any split routine and adopt a full body approach twice a week, concentrating on lifts such as -

Squats, deadlifts, bench press, pull ups, military press ect.

A full body routine may not be the best way to bulk up, but you'll almost certainly gain weight and strength provided you eat and train correctly.


Rich.

[AJtothemax]

I would steer clear of any split routine and adopt a full body approach twice a week, concentrating on lifts such as -

Squats, deadlifts, bench press, pull ups, military press ect.

A full body routine may not be the best way to bulk up, but you'll almost certainly gain weight and strength provided you eat and train correctly.


Rich.

For anyone reading this who's thinking "hmmm, sounds good!". YOU DO NOT TRAIN FOR THE ARMED FORCES LIKE THIS! Going back to Beast's post.

These posts are simply for people who are looking to get bigger and put on weight. NOT! On how to train for the armed forces, because you'll have a very, very hard time trying to get in.

I cannot stress that enough, i am very keen to avoid someone making that mistake.

[rc]

For anyone reading this who's thinking "hmmm, sounds good!". YOU DO NOT TRAIN FOR THE ARMED FORCES LIKE THIS! Going back to Beast's post.

These posts are simply for people who are looking to get bigger and put on weight. NOT! On how to train for the armed forces, because you'll have a very, very hard time trying to get in.

I cannot stress that enough, i am very keen to avoid someone making that mistake.

Cheers for pointing that out AJ !!!

[Daveboots]

i thought that was relevant when i read the post title, Gaining weight .
its common sense, you can not have high levels of endurance by doing bench press, nor does the squat make you run 10 miles efficiently!

[AJtothemax]

Cheers for pointing that out AJ !!!

i thought that was relevant when i read the post title, Gaining weight .
its common sense, you can not have high levels of endurance by doing bench press, nor does the squat make you run 10 miles efficiently!

Wouldnt suprise me if people did make that mistake one bit.

Full of good ideas me

[DANTAE]

be carefull i am about 90k's and failed my medical because my BMI is to high check with a doctor first otherwise you will have to wait even longer why you loose the weight maybey the careers office can help with that