Tom, Worthers... Did you guys read my post?
You can't say either way, its subjective depending on the person.
Your discussing generalisations that are simply incorrect.
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Worthers Original
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Actually Spooky my posts in this thread have been to Euro Andrew but I stand by them regardless. I did read your post and in it you say
Yes, a person experienced in training their body can do whatever works for them and that can be to really push themselves, often though they have a residual or latent amount of fitness, a well of fitness, with which to draw upon. Unsupervised training, which most people on here do, especially for inexperienced trainers of an "extreme" nature is most likely going to lead to poor improvements in fitness and very likely injury and I wouldn't advise any "extreme" training to anyone I hadn't assessed and knew could handle it whereas I will happily endorse a training programme with clearly defined goals which is progressive and which is conducted in a person's "comfort" or, a better word, training zone. I prefer "comfort" in this case as it's a term more easily understood, a bit like referring to someone's "perceived effort".
I don't profess to be any sort of expert on fitness training or training for the RM, I'm just offering my opinion and people can judge it as they will. There are lots of ways to get fit, lots of thinking on what is successful, useful, practical and I have my views on it as many people do. People may not find my suggestions useful but then they don't have to follow anything I've said. Whatever works for people and gets them where they want to be is fine by me.
which I agree with. I'd also assume that if people are posting on here for fitness advice that they are not experienced fitness trainers and as such are unlikely to benefit from following advice telling them to train to failure and will also not be sensible enough or knowledgable enough to read the early warning signs of overtraining, hence all the injuries some people seem plagued by on here.Training to failure every single day is counterproductive.
Yes, a person experienced in training their body can do whatever works for them and that can be to really push themselves, often though they have a residual or latent amount of fitness, a well of fitness, with which to draw upon. Unsupervised training, which most people on here do, especially for inexperienced trainers of an "extreme" nature is most likely going to lead to poor improvements in fitness and very likely injury and I wouldn't advise any "extreme" training to anyone I hadn't assessed and knew could handle it whereas I will happily endorse a training programme with clearly defined goals which is progressive and which is conducted in a person's "comfort" or, a better word, training zone. I prefer "comfort" in this case as it's a term more easily understood, a bit like referring to someone's "perceived effort".
I don't profess to be any sort of expert on fitness training or training for the RM, I'm just offering my opinion and people can judge it as they will. There are lots of ways to get fit, lots of thinking on what is successful, useful, practical and I have my views on it as many people do. People may not find my suggestions useful but then they don't have to follow anything I've said. Whatever works for people and gets them where they want to be is fine by me.
yes i echo worthers in saying that what i am saying is only a point of view and what has worked for me!
When i talk about being out of my comfort zone i mean i like to feel totally knackered at the end of a session so i know i have benefited from it but again everyone is different.
When i talk about being out of my comfort zone i mean i like to feel totally knackered at the end of a session so i know i have benefited from it but again everyone is different.
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Guys,
Plain and simple, train HARD but also SENSIBLY. Putting in severe effort and being knackered at the end of a session does not mean you have to have trained 'outside your comfort zone'. I feel if you train outside the comfort zone every session you risk getting injured or having counter productive effects on your 'overall' program.
There really is no point over doing it one day, if it means the session you do the next day is hampered due to the previous days exertion.Train hard each session BUT dont't over do it. I do think if you train 'outside the comfort zone' too much, you will be more likely to pick up little niggles that may lead to injuries. If you pick up an injury then your set back a long way. Remember the PRMC does not require you to be super fit, and whilst HARD you can achieve the required standards by following a steady and sensible regime. Each session you should put in maximum effort, but only for the required session you have set out to do. If you have good training program (of which there are many set out on this site) and you put in the effort each time, you dont have to go past that comfort zone every session.
Personally i would only really go balls out maybe twice a week on a 1.5m run, with a good circuits session added after of say 30 minutes. Here i would go 'outside the comfort zone' so to speak and be completely drained come the end.This is what you will need to pass bottom field as you will be training at an intensity on bottom field that you will not be used to.But you do not need to train at that intensity EVERY time you train. Also still listen to your body, as it is telling you things through pains for a reason. If your just knackered and your legs/arms are aching, then thats no reason to stop, BUT if its more than that and you think something is wrong then DONT carry on, its not worth it.
So to some up:
Train hard each session and put in maximum effort on the criteria of that session, but i would suggest only going balls out totally, only twice a week, preferably on a day when the next day is a rest day, where a gentle swim would be worthwhile.
Its all opinion so if you dont like mine, do something else.
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but remember i have both FAILED and PASSED a PRMC so i know what didnt, and then what did work.
Dwarfy
just as a side thought, i would imagine all your idea's of 'outside the comfort zone' will change dramatically once you start RT.
Plain and simple, train HARD but also SENSIBLY. Putting in severe effort and being knackered at the end of a session does not mean you have to have trained 'outside your comfort zone'. I feel if you train outside the comfort zone every session you risk getting injured or having counter productive effects on your 'overall' program.
There really is no point over doing it one day, if it means the session you do the next day is hampered due to the previous days exertion.Train hard each session BUT dont't over do it. I do think if you train 'outside the comfort zone' too much, you will be more likely to pick up little niggles that may lead to injuries. If you pick up an injury then your set back a long way. Remember the PRMC does not require you to be super fit, and whilst HARD you can achieve the required standards by following a steady and sensible regime. Each session you should put in maximum effort, but only for the required session you have set out to do. If you have good training program (of which there are many set out on this site) and you put in the effort each time, you dont have to go past that comfort zone every session.
Personally i would only really go balls out maybe twice a week on a 1.5m run, with a good circuits session added after of say 30 minutes. Here i would go 'outside the comfort zone' so to speak and be completely drained come the end.This is what you will need to pass bottom field as you will be training at an intensity on bottom field that you will not be used to.But you do not need to train at that intensity EVERY time you train. Also still listen to your body, as it is telling you things through pains for a reason. If your just knackered and your legs/arms are aching, then thats no reason to stop, BUT if its more than that and you think something is wrong then DONT carry on, its not worth it.
So to some up:
Train hard each session and put in maximum effort on the criteria of that session, but i would suggest only going balls out totally, only twice a week, preferably on a day when the next day is a rest day, where a gentle swim would be worthwhile.
Its all opinion so if you dont like mine, do something else.
,but remember i have both FAILED and PASSED a PRMC so i know what didnt, and then what did work.
Dwarfy
just as a side thought, i would imagine all your idea's of 'outside the comfort zone' will change dramatically once you start RT.
Go on then - I'll put ten bobs worth in.
The impression I get from past posts by quite a few members is that they think you have beast yourself to with in an inch of your life on a regular basis to pass PRMC, which surely is not the case.
I also get the impression that people seem to think you have to be super fit to be a Marine/pass the Commando Course which isn't the case, way too much hype.
As Dwarfy say's - 2 good hard sessions per week is all that is needed.
The rest of the time at a more moderate intensity should be fine IMO.
Rich.
The impression I get from past posts by quite a few members is that they think you have beast yourself to with in an inch of your life on a regular basis to pass PRMC, which surely is not the case.
I also get the impression that people seem to think you have to be super fit to be a Marine/pass the Commando Course which isn't the case, way too much hype.
As Dwarfy say's - 2 good hard sessions per week is all that is needed.
The rest of the time at a more moderate intensity should be fine IMO.
Rich.
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Surely you do have to train outside your comfort zone to increase fitness, strength and endurance?
The way I understand how exercises work is that you are tearing your muscles and when you recover your muscles are made stronger, along with other things like improvements in your vascular systems (your heart, arteries, capillaries becoming more efficient), your neuromuscular connection and your lungs.
So I would say tearing muscles does hurt and therefore a good workout should be uncomfortable?(therfore it is out of your comfort zone)
I would define your comfort zone as before any part of you body starts to hurt, so if I only trained in my comfrt zone I would only do 10ish push ups each workout before it start to hurt!
I'm no expert just someone who has read some books on the subject, The above works for me but everyone is different.
Anyway I would say just grit your teeth and get through it...
The way I understand how exercises work is that you are tearing your muscles and when you recover your muscles are made stronger, along with other things like improvements in your vascular systems (your heart, arteries, capillaries becoming more efficient), your neuromuscular connection and your lungs.
So I would say tearing muscles does hurt and therefore a good workout should be uncomfortable?(therfore it is out of your comfort zone)
I would define your comfort zone as before any part of you body starts to hurt, so if I only trained in my comfrt zone I would only do 10ish push ups each workout before it start to hurt!
I'm no expert just someone who has read some books on the subject, The above works for me but everyone is different.
Anyway I would say just grit your teeth and get through it...
The issue here is defining 'comfort zone' - to some that means just out of breath, to others it means throwing up with literally nothing left to give.
As per the gov, I too am no expert but I have been taught/witnessed the following; ANY form of exercise will benefit the body - be it in or out of your 'comfort zone'.
Gov, if you did your ten press ups and then stopped as it started to hurt, your body is still benefitting from the exercise. Just as someone who goes out for a brisk walk and slightly raises their heart rate will be gaining SOME cardiovascular benefit.
Of course, when training for any of the Services you are going to have to push yourself harder at times to reach the required fitness levels, but remember that everyone 's body is different - listen to your own body and you'll know when you need to take a rest day or go for an easy run.
As per the gov, I too am no expert but I have been taught/witnessed the following; ANY form of exercise will benefit the body - be it in or out of your 'comfort zone'.
Gov, if you did your ten press ups and then stopped as it started to hurt, your body is still benefitting from the exercise. Just as someone who goes out for a brisk walk and slightly raises their heart rate will be gaining SOME cardiovascular benefit.
Of course, when training for any of the Services you are going to have to push yourself harder at times to reach the required fitness levels, but remember that everyone 's body is different - listen to your own body and you'll know when you need to take a rest day or go for an easy run.
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Train out of your comfort zone in moderation, about twice a week you should be pushing to the max, otherwise you will plateau eventually, and no further improvements will be made. With that said, after a period of 4 weeks of intense training you should have a light week, and then start the next period (4 weeks) of hard training again. The back off week after a period (4 weeks) of hard training is used to grow stronger and recover, otherwise if you constantly thrash yourself with hard training, you will eventually burnout.
4 weeks intense training, 1 week back off to recover and grow stronger.
How bad do you want it? GRIT!!!
BUY A MOUTHPIECE (RUGBY OR BOXING) AND WHEN YOUR DOING HILL SPRINTS BITE DOWN ON THAT MOUTHPIECE , THIS WILL SHOW YOUR DETERMINATION TO FELLOW ONLOOKERS. 
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4 weeks intense training, 1 week back off to recover and grow stronger.
How bad do you want it? GRIT!!!
BUY A MOUTHPIECE (RUGBY OR BOXING) AND WHEN YOUR DOING HILL SPRINTS BITE DOWN ON THAT MOUTHPIECE
, THIS WILL SHOW YOUR DETERMINATION TO FELLOW ONLOOKERS. Mitch
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ok i train when i run at 190 - 195 bpm when i run, i run quite quickly and sustain this for 5 miles, im shattered at the end but still have more in me, when i sprint i manage to get my heart rate up to 204 bpm.
With the upperbody, you know what i do due to the pyramid program, you are very severly pushing yourself there, and i believe it works, working to failure some days and working at a level that you can do pays off big time. My little brother cant do one pullup, until a month later where he can do 5. Working to failure can work and cant work depending on rest, amount of times you go to failure and whether your determined to go to complete failure.
It works for me most times
this is my opinon, but i found the pressups, pullups and situps a piece of piss on prmc because i worked so hard at it (Tom_06 you remember right mate
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With the upperbody, you know what i do due to the pyramid program, you are very severly pushing yourself there, and i believe it works, working to failure some days and working at a level that you can do pays off big time. My little brother cant do one pullup, until a month later where he can do 5. Working to failure can work and cant work depending on rest, amount of times you go to failure and whether your determined to go to complete failure.
It works for me most times
this is my opinon, but i found the pressups, pullups and situps a piece of piss on prmc because i worked so hard at it (Tom_06 you remember right mate
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