I don't know much about this and thought I'd check out what others think and maybe learn some facts. Meaningless slogans and soundbites aren't very interesting.
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Is that a response to the previous post - which was an observation on deterring burglars? Or is it simply a mantra to be repeated irrelevantly? Is this a discussion forum - you know - discuss?
I don't know much about this and thought I'd check out what others think and maybe learn some facts. Meaningless slogans and soundbites aren't very interesting.
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I don't know much about this and thought I'd check out what others think and maybe learn some facts. Meaningless slogans and soundbites aren't very interesting.
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Theres some interesting views
of course even burglars should not be tortured or anything, but lets stick to the martin case.
Firstly the reports i read were not that they were fleeing, but that they were caught in the act, which is true..not sure.
Now we look at this "poor scamps" accomplice. With a string of convictions as long as my arm, his latest for heroin dealing (imagine how many lives he has ruined peddling that filth). He is now suing martin for his injuries, claiming that it has "ruined his chances of finding work". His case of course has recieved legal aid.
Personally i feel we have become a society so obsessed with "human rights" that we are more interested in protecting the criminal than the victim. And that the message this sort of incident sends out is likely to do very little indeed to deterr future criminals.
of course even burglars should not be tortured or anything, but lets stick to the martin case.
Firstly the reports i read were not that they were fleeing, but that they were caught in the act, which is true..not sure.
Now we look at this "poor scamps" accomplice. With a string of convictions as long as my arm, his latest for heroin dealing (imagine how many lives he has ruined peddling that filth). He is now suing martin for his injuries, claiming that it has "ruined his chances of finding work". His case of course has recieved legal aid.
Personally i feel we have become a society so obsessed with "human rights" that we are more interested in protecting the criminal than the victim. And that the message this sort of incident sends out is likely to do very little indeed to deterr future criminals.
Everyones human and legal rights exist up to the point of crossing that boundary, beyond that threshhold 'what goes round comes round'
I don't think this is the basis of English Law that we live under here in Merry England (I am no expert could be wrong)
Tony Martin rightly had the expectation that he could live in peace in his Norfolk home. It does not give him the right to murder a 16 year old boy because this expectation was not met.
I don't think this is the basis of English Law that we live under here in Merry England (I am no expert could be wrong)
Tony Martin rightly had the expectation that he could live in peace in his Norfolk home. It does not give him the right to murder a 16 year old boy because this expectation was not met.
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its typical of how the missuse of the unions brought them down but this will take someone with Balls to put right. It is clearly in favour of the criminal 
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These criminals are the first to cry that their human rights have been violated. Tough shit if they don't like it 'cos the british public are getting seriously pissed off with the state of affairs.
Every now and then you read a story of some idiot thug who picks on the wrong victim, gets a severe kicking and then pleads that it isn't fair.
According to fat cat defence lawyers it usually boils down to childhood problems or drink or drugs. No excuses, tow the line or go down big time.
Every now and then you read a story of some idiot thug who picks on the wrong victim, gets a severe kicking and then pleads that it isn't fair.
According to fat cat defence lawyers it usually boils down to childhood problems or drink or drugs. No excuses, tow the line or go down big time.
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One clue. All 3 involved were gypsies. Who as we all know make a valuable contribution to society with their law abiding ways, full time steady jobs,payment of taxes and respect for other people's property.mattG wrote:It's just been anounced that Fearon has got the go ahead to sue Tony Martin for £15 000 LOSS OF EARNINGS....???!!!
Has he ever earnt anything in his pathetic existance,
What Tony Martin did was murder. Pure and simple. But I also believe it was justice.
If the police had adequate manpower to provide full protection (They haven't been able to do so for years and I doubt very much if they ever will do again) and capture the criminals in the act they would have been put before the magistrates who no doubt would have bailed them.
Although I realise that Tony Martin also committed an offence I don't have a problem in this case as I feel justice was done. If he had lived Barras would have had a lifetime of crime inflicting misery on countless other people.
Finally someone quoted the family as saying Barras was just a loveable rogue. As Jim Royle would say "Loveable rogue? My Arse!"
If I wanted to listen to an *rsehole, I'd fart!
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The law is an ass, the MP for that area Bellingham stood outside Martins farmhouse at Emneth Hungate today and said so.
Whilst these 'fat cat' solicitors are sucking in £100 plus per hour as fees they are going to urge their client(s) to appeal, the threshold is there cross it at your peril should be the cry.
The only sympathy I have in this case is with Tony Martin, bo££ocks to the rest...............!
Whilst these 'fat cat' solicitors are sucking in £100 plus per hour as fees they are going to urge their client(s) to appeal, the threshold is there cross it at your peril should be the cry.
The only sympathy I have in this case is with Tony Martin, bo££ocks to the rest...............!
Let me re-phrase thatTony Martin rightly had the expectation that he could live in peace in his Norfolk home. It does not give him the right to murder a 16 year old boy because this expectation was not met
Tony Martin had the right to live in peace in his Norfolk home. It does give him the right to murder a 16 year old boy because he was breaking into his home in the middle of the night. The expectations of Police are rarely met and if they and the Judges had done their "Jobs" the so called 16 year old would have already been in a young offenders Institute and the situation would never have occured.
I was 16 not to long ago and I had full responsibilities for my actions just as I knew the consequences that they would bring.
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Unfortunately we have in this country 'Law' on one hand and 'Justice' on the other.
Justice is generaly a matter of common sense, but the Law is cobbled together by short sighted MPs who have one eye on the main chance and the other on the trough so they can keep thier nose deep in it and devil take the people who elected them.
The majority of people in this country support hanging especialy for some crimes like the killing of a policeman. But the politicians have fixed it so that not only is capital punishment abolished, IT CAN NEVER BE DEBATED AGAIN. As they say 'it doesnt matter who you vote for the bloody government still gets in]
Justice is generaly a matter of common sense, but the Law is cobbled together by short sighted MPs who have one eye on the main chance and the other on the trough so they can keep thier nose deep in it and devil take the people who elected them.
The majority of people in this country support hanging especialy for some crimes like the killing of a policeman. But the politicians have fixed it so that not only is capital punishment abolished, IT CAN NEVER BE DEBATED AGAIN. As they say 'it doesnt matter who you vote for the bloody government still gets in]
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I would like to see Tony Martin sue Fearon for all the aggro Martin was put through, I'm sure he has a lot of friends who would back him all the way.
Tony has been put away for about 8% of his 59 years of age, I really think that someone somewhere needs to take that whippersnapper into a dark alley and tell him the facts of life. He claims this has stopped him from working, oh yeh how many days work has he done in his lifetime??
Tony has been put away for about 8% of his 59 years of age, I really think that someone somewhere needs to take that whippersnapper into a dark alley and tell him the facts of life. He claims this has stopped him from working, oh yeh how many days work has he done in his lifetime??
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I'd like to be able to say it is a tragic loss of life and blah blah blah but I don't think that. "Live by the sword die by the sword".
I don't for one minute doubt that if that bloke had rumbled them rifling through his things that they wouldn't have filled him in and quite possibly slotted him so what difference does it make whether they were coming or going, how would he know what the level of threat was? In his mind he may quite possibly have been defending his life and he acted accordingly.
In the same situation I'd chase the little buggers and hoof them all over the place.
I'd like to be able to say it is a tragic loss of life and blah blah blah but I don't think that. "Live by the sword die by the sword".
I don't for one minute doubt that if that bloke had rumbled them rifling through his things that they wouldn't have filled him in and quite possibly slotted him so what difference does it make whether they were coming or going, how would he know what the level of threat was? In his mind he may quite possibly have been defending his life and he acted accordingly.
In the same situation I'd chase the little buggers and hoof them all over the place.
