Cadets

[Dave.Mil]

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[pegasus]

Generally cadets often display a maturity which often is missing in teenages of today. They are more than caperable of holding a decent conversation with people, better behaved and are better motivated and just as important, well mannered and respectful

Adult supervisors have a duty of care towards cadets, the Army also recognise they have a duty of care towards young recruits, so of course its different and watered down but the end result is the same; the development of self-determination, leadership and maturity.
Make no mistake, we make sure the cadets are aware of the realities of
adult service life if they choose to follow a military career; however the cadets are switched on enough to figure it out for themselfs.

CCF cadet eh?:roll: there is world of difference between school based cadets and cadets units based a round the country, one being discipline; the other standards.

[Guest]

CCF cadet eh?:roll: there is world of difference between school based cadets and cadets units based a round the country, one being discipline; the other standards.

Agreed, generally CCF standards are lower than those of an ACF unit for example. However, when i was an NCO in my CCF at school, i made sure there was a high standard of discipline and standard of dress and presentation with the help of other NCO's.

In my time as an NCO in the CCF, we introduced inspections for a section of cadets, and generally had a much higher standard of discipline. This enabled us to teach more advanced things, like advanced drill movements, better section and platoon attack drills, and a higher participation and committment level in the whole CCF army section.

My old school CCF was one of the best in the area, winning many inter-contingent competitions at Annual central camps, and generally showing more maturity and ability than most ACF and other CCF units that we have come across.

I do not think highly of ACF, compared to the high standard of my old CCF, so dont go generalising about things you obviously know nothing about.

[pegasus]

James said "I do not think highly of ACF, compared to the high standard of my old CCF, so dont go generalising about things you obviously know nothing about"

OK James, I am RAF Flt Lt and Squadron Commander in the Air Cadets, I have been to camps where the CCF have been and often it has been an exercise in damage limitation and goodwill repair, so I think I am somewhat more qualified to pass comment than you arrogantly thought.

[Guest]

OK James, I am RAF Flt Lt and Squadron Commander in the Air Cadets, I have been to camps where the CCF have been and often it has been an exercise in damage limitation and goodwill repair, so I think I am somewhat more qualified to pass comment than you arrogantly thought.

So what. You were still saying all CCF's were a load of sh*t compared to other cadets. Well you are plain wrong.

[pegasus]

Quote James said "So what"

James, don`t just look at the words, read them. I said camps where I have been, harldly a generalisation; but based on fact.
You general attitude on this forum wins you no friends, and even less in the army if carry with on the attitute you have now. Move on.

[Guest]

Who ever said i was after friends. I was warned by a squaddy in the LI about RAF wanting to be friends

there is world of difference between school based cadets and cadets units based a round the country, one being discipline; the other standards.

Quite a generalisation i think. I was saying that your above statement is not true, as my old cadets was very good, and other ACF's etc i saw in my time in the cadets had very bad drills. Obviously your air cadets are good in your opinion and other ccf's in your area are bad.

[Grimey Vibes]

Whats the point in this?? Its just cadets, not the military no need to go on like it matters if you are school cadets, air cadets, marine cadets, girls scouts, brownies. What ever you did, it won't make a difference when it comes to the army. If it interests you, then go for it, if it does not then don't go for it. I don't think it would make a better soldier if someone went to the cadets or not because you get taught the same as everyone else regardless when you join the army.

[pegasus]

Clearly the point is being missed, nobody is saying that cadets gives you big advantage when it comes Army,Navy or Air Force Training. What it does help with is basic leadership skills,basic fieldcraft skills, basic weapons handling skills (based on Army PAM 21 ), and basic navigation skills, these are skills that can be updated on a regular basis and are core elements of any basic military training, these basic skills are a cornerstone to build on, basic adult military training takes this a good few step further, that is what makes you into soldier, sailor or airman.

Why don`t you get youself down to a well established cadet unit, you may pleasantly suprised, you may even want to help!

The armed forces clearly value the cadet forces; this is demonstrated by the huge amount of money and time and effort they plough in to the cadet forces, I don`t know what it is for ACF and Navy cadets, but for the aircadets it is £12,000,000 (48% of RAF Officers and Aircrew are ex-cadets) .

[Guest]

What it (cadets) does help with is basic leadership skills,basic fieldcraft skills, basic weapons handling skills (based on Army PAM 21 ), and basic navigation skills, these are skills that can be updated on a regular basis and are core elements of any basic military training, these basic skills are a cornerstone to build on, basic adult military training takes this a good few step further, that is what makes you into soldier, sailor or airman.

When i complete training in the paras, i will come back and tell you whether you are talking out of your arse or not, if i can really be bothered. I think you are talking somewhat out of your arse, but we will see...

the only probablem we found, with recruits in the para depot, were that ex-cadets, had alot of bad or false tactics. For example, they had got used to holding rifles wrong ways, acting differently compared to other recruits, and a common problem, opening there mouth alot and been noticed, thinking they know more.

[Grimey Vibes]

No my point is, stop the bickering its ruining the thread.

[Guest]

stop the bickering

Its not "bickering"; its debating

[pegasus]

No my point is, stop the bickering its ruining the thread.

When i complete training in the paras, i will come back and tell you whether you are talking out of your arse or not, if i can really be bothered. I think you are talking somewhat out of your arse, but we will see...

I take your point entirely Grimey and accept members will have differing views, but it seems that there is an inability or unwillingness to comprehend what has been written and to accept that people have different experiences and opinions which are just as valid as thiers; anything I have written is based on fact, not supposition; and was not written to offend people. Resorting to profanities (however trival) is inmature and counterprocductive. Some drink from the fountain of knowledge, but others just gargle.

We all have ability. The difference is how we use it. -- Stevie Wonder

Prehaps the forum monderator would like to "judge" this thread so we can get back on track.

[Dave.Mil]

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I have done some work with the different Cadet Organizations over that last few months and I have found that those who have spent a little time in with Cadets are fine young people, and many of them hope to go into the Forces full time. While carrying the Queens Colour on one of these parades I had a Cadet Escort, and I could not have had a better one. When one of the Standard bearers was taken ill, a RM Cadet jumped in and carried the standard and did a great job, he said he was just about to join the Marines, and should be a credit to them. Now what any one can say I think these groups give a lot of young people some direction in life and helps to keep them of the streets and out of trouble, I for one won't knock it.