A Muslim Takeover

[soldierandy]

yep. a gullible christian, bhuddist won't blow himself up with a dozen innocent victims. I 'll let you watch the news.

[Josh]

A lot of this extreamist recruiting goes on in areas/countries where the is a poor or no education infrastructure and poverty, people are impressionable. Extreamist prea on this, whether they are Islamic or BNP they are taught seperation and agression over intergration as a way to achieve stabilisation/posperity.

[andy_s]

What a load of racist shit, there wasn't one intelligble comment about how/why muslims are 'taken over' england. The Christian crusades are a prime example of a religion trying to 'takeover' country's. The Bible and specifically Christianity is one of the most violent, hateful religions around today, George Bush's right wing Christian ideal's has killed far more human beings the past two years be it English, Afghani or Iraqi than the Muslims. Somebody said in an earlier posting how Islamic country's need democratisation, what a ridicules idea, Islamic country's have been getting on fine for the past 400 years without the need to democulise. At the end of the day there's bad Christians and there's bad Muslim's-we're all human beings what ever the race or creed.

[andy_s]

It's good to see that some people around here aren't completely intellectually inane, did anyone see that bbc program about the bnp? What did you think?

[El Prez]

Instead of talking normal you'll call everyone dude,brau, and say stuff like "like". Wait and see. You'll wish you had the Muslims, atleast they speak English

Whitey it's happening, read the start of every recent Introduction Post.

yep. a gullible christian, bhuddist won't blow himself up with a dozen innocent victims.

Sandy, ever heard of the Bhuddist monks who committed suicide by self immolation in Vietnam? Ever heard of N. Ireland, where 'gullible' caucasians regularly blew themselves apart, much to the amusement of the bomb disposal chaps, whilst on their way to kill and maim innocent people.
You don't have to be born south of Great Dunmow to be a radical extremist.

[soldierandy]

Sandy, ever heard of the Bhuddist monks who committed suicide by self immolation in Vietnam? Ever heard of N. Ireland, where 'gullible' caucasians regularly blew themselves apart, much to the amusement of the bomb disposal chaps, whilst on their way to kill and maim innocent people.
You don't have to be born south of Great Dunmow to be a radical extremist.

Ridiculous statement: you comparing the people that torch themselves in protest with the islamic suicide bombers? Or the own-goals of the IRA?

[El Prez]

Ridiculous statement

You asked the question; I simply put a viewpoint. Both Christians and Bhuddists have committed suicide in their pursuit of political and religious ends. Whether you can accept that is another matter.

[soldierandy]

Both Christians and Bhuddists have committed suicide in their pursuit of political and religious ends. Whether you can accept that is another matter.

I am not so worried about the suicide bit with islamics, it is the murderous bit..

[Guest]

Is there a Muslim Takeover of planet Earth?

Many of the 'hotspots' in the world appear to be over who is running a country, the latest is the ongoing saga in Sudan.

The UK has a Muslim population in excess of 2 million, why are they all here and in other Western countries? It can't be the weather! It can't be the food, nor the support of Bradford City, Luton Town, Oldham Athletic or Peterborough United. It can't be our economy which is one of the highest taxed economies in the world.

Answers on a postcard to Islamabad..............

To keep this topic on track, the Muslims feel that they have been ruled over the centuries by the Jews and they (the Muslims) wish to reverse this trend (outgoing quotes from Malaysian Prime Minister in October 2003).

A Muslim is a person who believes Allah is his/her God, Islam is the faith of Muslims. There is not a Muslim Nation or State, they are collectively a huge group of people widely spread throughout the world.

They are imposing their will in different countries of the world, the current humanitarian disaster in Dohfar, Western Sudan, the Ivory Coast, Chechnya to name three. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the USA, the number of mosques being built in Britain appears to be gathering pace.

There have been Empires throughout history, Britain probably had the largest, one can argue whether or not the USA is creating another and causing unrest. (Namely Al Qaeda was not active in Iraq until the USA invaded, Britain is there too but the AQ attacks appear only to be against the USA and the Iraqi Interim Government). This can be seen as an attack on Judaism and all that it stands for in the eyes of many Muslims...........

[Whitey]

Hi Owdun. You know I was going to be quiet on this, but since it is happening and has happened in the united States of America several times with several groups maybe I should just be Whitey about this. I've been quiet upon returning for the most part and I'll go back to one liners after this post if I'm still here. As Owdun pointed out everyone but us, yeah us Anglo's are a protected species no matter their actions or lack of contributions.

There are some similaraties in our cultures today in regards to how destructive ethnic groups who refuse to assimilate along with government help seek to destroy not only hundreds of years of history (Thousands in your case) traditions, but in the end your culture and way of life.

I won't speak for my friend's who fly their offensive racist flag with a christian symbol on it, so I'll peak as an American who fly's his ancestors St. Andrews Cross flag (3rd National)

Now America's history is rather short, but it is very black and white as compared to most.

Our indigenous minorities I'll call black seperatists (Often Militant) Were the first to do to us what the muslims are doing to you. It could be argued and I'll agree it was partly white America's fault. After the blacks were freed in 1865 Lincoln was shot and the plan to re-settle or assimilate them died.
The fact of the matter though is that we were different in culture and ideology. We were democratic republicans in nature and their nature was tribal socialism. In the 1950's and 60's things boiled over in a culture struggle. The theme was equality. They won, rightly so. But instead of winning true equality they took the victory and just lowered the bar to their comfort level. This being contra to our culture and Constitution mattered little to the self righteous Supreme Court. They changed our political system. Frank and maybe Wholley could explain this better than I am able to due to the fact I'm not a great writer.
We went from a Representative Democracy towards a social democracy guided not by responsible law abiding citizens with views in accordance with our culture, history and spirit of the Constitution, but a thuggish inspired rule by the mob. People on government assistance, felons, idiots who couldn't read or write or even tell you who was the father of this country suddenly were voting. They voted for who ever would give them "Stuff". Earned or not it didn't matter, deserve? No that didn't matter either. And anyone who questioned this was deemed a racist and ruined. Soon politicians caught on to the idea they could get elected if they just tossed out taxpayer funds to the largest mob/special interrest group. Don't believe me? Look at our politicians and how they pander for Mexican and black votes. The black caucass is not elected, has no official authority, but you may not know that is was they who strong armed Congress in 1994 to install that murdering communist Arastide in Haiti.
Today we still have what I mentioned above combined with the Mexicans, not Latino Americans, but the illegal aliens who our government turns a blind eye to. Many of you have wanted me binned for discussing this, but just stay rational for a moment. The illegal aliens cost us billions, old disease's like leprosy have re-emerged and super strength TB. You say you have TB in the UK, we did a long time ago and then we erradicated it.
90% of all felony arrest warrents in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens and 3,500 Arabs using hispanic names have illegally crossed into the US and were caught in the last 4 years from mexico. The mass illegal imigration/invasion is an act of war by Mexico. The illegals are in such large numbers they refuse and have no intention of assimilation. They create ethnic enclaves in the western US and are even forming groups that are quite large shouting to us that they are intent on reunifying the western US with Mexico or creating a latino supra state.
Now the politicians pander to the large Mexican legal citizens who are allied with this crap.
In a country where 3/4 majority is supposed to rule it doesn't.
In my son's school(pre-school) the Christmas tree was removed because it offended Jews and Kwanza people, they didn't mention Muslims. WTF is going on?
Well some say political correctness, some of you practice this form of limited speech and thinking. It was designed in Russia under Comrade Lenin. Anton Semionovich Makerenko his education minister. He used the same name as we do for it and it had the same vague meaning and effect. Hitler liked it, and he called it social correctness, said he invented it. Hitler also was the first to institute affirmative action btw, it was in favor of the blond, you know the type. Stupid or not, if you had a certian look you were protected.
Anyway like our minorities are destroying our country the muslims seem to be doing the same to yours. Now not all minoraties are this way, but enough here do seem to be. Our Reverend Al Sharpton in 1992 or 3 hear about an old Jewish man who fell asleep driving and ran over a black girl, accident right, terrible but not intentional. So Al gets a mob together and finds a random jew in the hood and they beat him to death. Al was never charged and is running for president. See how political correctness works?
Like you people over there we Americans are constantly reminded by TV, papers, the Educated and sophisticated oh and politicians of failures and wrong doings inflicted on an ever growing multitude. Now it isn't just blacks and illegal mexicans, but homosexuals.
Political Correctness makes us all reluctant to properly label what is happening. But should you be so bold such as I'm trying to be and kick over the P/C wall you and I will be called a racist. Like Bustemante and Sharpton aren't? Look up the definition.
These minority groups have destroyed collectively our rule of law (As Wholley he was a cop) Individual rights are going away to accomidate them, forget private property and the common American Identity Frank, Wholley and I share even though we are from diffent everything else.
Because of their demands and bully tactics and their activist judicial friends our government no longer guarentee's our rights, and any white male who asserts them is branded a racist, ignorant and dangerous, If that happens soon the man will trump up some charges on you or simply kill you and call you one worse name besides racist, he'll call your dead corpse child molester(no matter if you weren't) as his double tap. Ever hear of Waco?
So today our minorities who have learned to work the system, lie to get rid of enemies, not assimilate and engage in criminal activity that in their miniscule numbers is astronomical as compared with the other 250 million have taken a democratic republic and lowered the standards to the point we have millions of Emenims under 30, lower test scores today than in the 1950's. Kids who grow up like me from public school who can't write as good as his father before the revolution and a goernment that used to promote individual rights and freedom now promoting the opposite. We now have people telling us what we can own, what we can't have and guys like Sharpton usurping the power to determine what we should give away to others without their obligation to earn it.
So maybe this is what your immigrants/illegal immigrants/muslims will get you?
If you want to live like that, then to each his own. I'd rather live how I lived before all this stuff started taking full effect here.
The solution is manditory assimilation or get deported is my idea. Religion goes as well. They cannot see the value of seperation of church and state/politics. We have a hard time with that sometimes here, but these people see god/allah as government. Imagine in 200 years Las Vegas being a Taliban style enclave. Women in Burkas under islamic law. It could happen if we don't assimilate these people.

If anyone takes offense to this I'll edit it or remove it even though it took alot of time to write. Artist I know you may disagree, but I'm a geographer and am now in the social phase in school. The professors, even the liberals won't argue that if we in the US keep our immigration standards like this and no assimilation that in 100 years the western US will be the Balkians of the western hemisphere.
Frank could probably better update you on California where the radical calls for latino seccession are loudest and seconded loudly in AZ.

Funny thing is our Indians and Asians don't say much and seem to have assimilated or just been very successful without disturbing our national identity. They self assimilate and if they can't they don't get militant and political, they just get a small business and enjoy themselves.
End of Rant.

[Guest]

Welcome back Whitey!

What you are saying in a nutshell is 'when the Pilgrim Fathers set foot in New England and Colonised the place, then those now indigenous Mexicans (and presumably Red Indians) want their land back'!

[Whitey]

indigenous Mexicans (and presumably Red Indians) want their land back'!

No not exactly Spanner. The illegal Mexicans aren't indigenous. The Red Indian I feel sorry for in alot of ways, but now the Red Indians got us back. Instead of us giving land back they are buying it back and anything else they want since the government let them open casino's. I'm proud of the Redskins, plus with their new found wealth they make it known that they don't need us to give them anything. I have a soft spot being a Rebel and all for the Indians, we both got jacked.

New England? No one, not even them wants New England. Out West and South is better.
What I took 45 minutes to write Spanner was really about the lack of assimilation in todays immigrants. Not to sound like a nut, but war is coming to this continent again and it will be ethnic enclaves vs the powers that be eventually as the geographic models predict. Water rights will be another key and possibly economic issue. In the UK I'm not sure what the unassimilated Muslim will cause. But unassimilated people in enclaves will spark something eventually. Most folks today come to America not to live as free men or be Americans, they just come here to make a buck and see what our system can give them. I have to work for my Social Security, some immigrants I'm told don't. Frank on another thread had a point that it isn't the immigrants fault the government is how it is. I guess he has a point. We as citizens born here and legal naturalized citizens need to make politicians take the hard right and assimilate the hordes they let in.

[Guest]

lol well when the big race war finally starts wake me up....

[Guest]

From the Sunday Telegraph:



Mosley had the Jew and today Griffin has the Muslim

By Jenny McCartney
(Filed: 18/07/2004)



During the 1930s, a single, malevolent figure popped up in almost every page of Der Sturmer, Julius Streicher's notoriously popular Nazi newspaper: The Jew. Hook-nosed, greasy, avaricious and libidinous, The Jew was regularly implicated in rapes and criminal conspiracies.


German readers - frightened by the threat of Bolshevism, a political movement with a disproportionate number of Jewish leaders - found the lurid evocation of this "enemy within" ever more mesmerising, terrifying and enjoyable.

Eventually, as even the most casual student of history knows, many ordinary Germans were either unable or unwilling to distinguish Streicher's grotesque caricatures from the ordinary Jewish families who lived next door.

Last week, in the BBC's undercover expose of the British National Party, it became apparent that the far-Right in Britain has a new target: The Muslim.

For the moment, the BNP has suspended its public attacks on black people, Jews, Hindus and Sikhs - although such groups are still vigorously vilified in what passes for BNP in-house banter - and has devoted its energies to promoting the idea that every male British Muslim is a religious fanatic who is biding his time to assist in the corruption and overthrow of the British state.

Nick Griffin, the increasingly eloquent BNP leader, was secretly filmed telling a fired-up meeting that British Muslims were perpetuating a "massive rape wave" designed to spread Islam across the West by impregnating white girls.

He advised listeners to join the BNP "otherwise they [Muslims] will do for someone in your family". In another scene, a BNP activist fantasised about machine-gunning worshippers in the local mosque.

This BNP strategy - in which The Muslim is repeatedly caricatured as a violent, duplicitous fundamentalist with a voracious sexual predilection for white women - is beginning to pay dividends. In the recent Euro-elections, the party polled 800,000 votes.

Many British people - worried by the threat of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism and the mounting numbers of asylum seekers - are dangerously receptive to the BNP's notion that British Muslims pose a lightly slumbering threat to British culture and democracy.

The BNP's vivid portrait of a generic, violent Muslim radical bears no resemblance, of course, to the vast majority of Muslims, who live peaceably with their non-Muslim neighbours.

But - as the BNP would have it - that affable schoolteacher who lives next door, spends most of his free time gardening, and attends the mosque once a week, is just lying low until he gets the call from his "brothers" to attack. Quick, better get in there first!

What is deeply disturbing is the leakage of these insidious views beyond the sealed circle of far-Right activists. Quasi-respectable thinkers are now apt to spout a garbled combination of Samuel Huntington's The Clash of Civilisations, carefully selected and interpreted quotations from the Koran, and assorted chunks of simplified history to "prove" that Muslims are an inherently warlike, intolerant people.

Those who would freely own up to differences in Christian creeds - between, say, Creationists and the Church of England - will admit to no such shades of grey in Islam.

They will happily equate the likes of Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the fundamentalist Egyptian cleric who backs Palestinian suicide bombers, with Dr Zaki Badawi, the respected representative of the majority of British Muslims.

Dr Badawi has roundly condemned both suicide bombers and al-Qaeda, and specifically reminded British Muslims that Britain is an "abode of peace" in which one can be both Muslim and fully loyal to the British state. What more does he have to do: walk down Pall Mall wrapped in a Union Flag?

One might, in cooler moments, reflect how odd it is that such a "warlike" people - apparently so desperately eager to seize the sword and lop off Christian heads, and so terrifyingly efficient at so doing - have in fact been the victims of two of Europe's most brutal and recent repressions: that of Srebrenica, the UN "safe area" in which 7,000 Muslims were murdered by Bosnian Serb forces in 1995 while UN peace-keeping troops stood idly by, and Kosovo, in which the UN intervened to protect Kosovar Albanian Muslims from a similar fate.

There has not yet been an al-Qaeda attack in Britain, despite repeated warnings from our government that one is "inevitable". In the miserable event of such an attack, the BNP would certainly be delighted with its galvanising effect on far-Right recruitment.

And there is little doubt in my mind that assaults on peaceful, law-abiding British Muslims would increase, fanned by an increasingly hysterical rhetoric - already in place - that encourages non-Muslim Britons to see each and every Muslim citizen as a threat.

The British should indeed be alert to threats to our civilisation, so long as that civilisation remains representative of fairness and tolerance. On present evidence, the greatest threat to our civilisation - the true "enemy within" - comes, not from British Muslims, but from the far-Right and its culpable band of fellow-travellers.

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