The yanks could not orgenize a piss-up in a brury (what ever the spelling).
all you see on the news is yanks. you would think the brits arnt in volved or the Australins for that matter. Q. how menny of you knew that the Australin SAS were involved in the war? when i went back england during the war there was no mention of the assie's involvmen just a bunch of crap about the u.s. elite (and i use the term very loosley) marines and 101st air borne. give all the countrys the recognition they deserve! and the true storys of Dday are becoming extinct any one would think that the brits wernt involved because of all those fary tales the americans dream up. come on steven spealburg make a movie about pegasus brdge or the beach my great uncle landed on Sword bech or gold or juno, enough of omaha and stop depicting british officers as stuck up wan#ers! GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!!!
no disrespect to the americans that gave there lives to make the world a batter place for us to live in.
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Okay,
As for recognition, yeah that's what it's all about. As for the new's, they don't show us much except death numbers. As for the 101st, nope not that special, but still leathal. The Marines, well they are bigger in number and no some units aren't all that much elite. However we have some very elite Marines in the battalion level. I and every peckerhead yank friend of mine are glad to see the Brit's,Ausies and even the Polocks with us, and I've seen many caskets on tv draped in your flag, we know the deal.
As for coordination, yeah sometimes the Green Machine leaves you, but never on purpose, we are big and not used to working with other countries often in such large operations, we shot down one of your jet's by accident I recall, people here felt sick over that, and even the protester's at school went silent for them and your commando's lost on the helicopters.
We haven't forgotten, just like you haven't forgotten ww1 and 2. I understand you are all angry about this war and it's senslessness at times, but we are in it, and had the tables been switched, I wouldn't bad mouth the UK, accidents happen, we kill 300 of our troops in just training every year, it sucks, but we have a large military, and big peices moving around are dangerous. If the BBC wasn't putting the lense on your guy's enough, then maybe you should write them.
We don't leave people hanging on purpose, and especially you guy's, we share the same blood. The next time the Kraut's head your way, we will be there for you again, look at the battle of Brittian, hardly a mention of yank volenteer piolit's, but they were there, and will be again once the Hun get's greedy again.
As for recognition, yeah that's what it's all about. As for the new's, they don't show us much except death numbers. As for the 101st, nope not that special, but still leathal. The Marines, well they are bigger in number and no some units aren't all that much elite. However we have some very elite Marines in the battalion level. I and every peckerhead yank friend of mine are glad to see the Brit's,Ausies and even the Polocks with us, and I've seen many caskets on tv draped in your flag, we know the deal.
As for coordination, yeah sometimes the Green Machine leaves you, but never on purpose, we are big and not used to working with other countries often in such large operations, we shot down one of your jet's by accident I recall, people here felt sick over that, and even the protester's at school went silent for them and your commando's lost on the helicopters.
We haven't forgotten, just like you haven't forgotten ww1 and 2. I understand you are all angry about this war and it's senslessness at times, but we are in it, and had the tables been switched, I wouldn't bad mouth the UK, accidents happen, we kill 300 of our troops in just training every year, it sucks, but we have a large military, and big peices moving around are dangerous. If the BBC wasn't putting the lense on your guy's enough, then maybe you should write them.
We don't leave people hanging on purpose, and especially you guy's, we share the same blood. The next time the Kraut's head your way, we will be there for you again, look at the battle of Brittian, hardly a mention of yank volenteer piolit's, but they were there, and will be again once the Hun get's greedy again.
Let them call me a rebel and I welcome it, I feel no concern from it; but I should suffer the misery of demons were I to make a whore of my soul. (Thomas Paine)
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What about the US A10 that took out that small British convoy??
What I dont understand is the technology which is on these planes, would the A10's radar pick up the heat signature of the british vehicles and identify them as friendly?
Do you guys in the British army ever get the opportunity to train in the states or any exchange programmes?
Are there many UK bases in the US?
What I dont understand is the technology which is on these planes, would the A10's radar pick up the heat signature of the british vehicles and identify them as friendly?
Do you guys in the British army ever get the opportunity to train in the states or any exchange programmes?
Are there many UK bases in the US?
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The A10 has no radar, and while apparently all vehicles did have special markers to give them a distinctive IR signature, I think IR is only used for certain weapons and night flying so wouldn't have been used in the incident you mentioned.
And the UK doesn't have any bases in the US to the best of my knowledge, but cross training does go on.
And the UK doesn't have any bases in the US to the best of my knowledge, but cross training does go on.
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I quote
Avionics equipment includes communications, inertial navigation systems, fire control and weapons delivery systems, target penetration aids and night vision goggles. Their weapons delivery systems include heads-up displays that indicate airspeed, altitude, dive angle, navigation information and weapons aiming references; a low altitude safety and targeting enhancement system (LASTE) which provides constantly computing impact point freefall ordnance delivery; and Pave Penny laser-tracking pods under the fuselage. The aircraft also have armament control panels, and infrared and electronic countermeasures to handle surface-to-air-missile threats. Installation of the Global Positioning System is currently underway for all aircraft.
Personaly love the A10 , used to live in the flight path of an east coast gunnery range
Avionics equipment includes communications, inertial navigation systems, fire control and weapons delivery systems, target penetration aids and night vision goggles. Their weapons delivery systems include heads-up displays that indicate airspeed, altitude, dive angle, navigation information and weapons aiming references; a low altitude safety and targeting enhancement system (LASTE) which provides constantly computing impact point freefall ordnance delivery; and Pave Penny laser-tracking pods under the fuselage. The aircraft also have armament control panels, and infrared and electronic countermeasures to handle surface-to-air-missile threats. Installation of the Global Positioning System is currently underway for all aircraft.
Personaly love the A10 , used to live in the flight path of an east coast gunnery range
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I don't want to start a p***ing contest but in my view the pilot of the A10 is guilty of gross negligence as the pilot of an aircraft that has the primary role of close air support he should be able to recognise AFV's if he cannot tell a CVR(t) from an Iraqi vehicle(none of which come close to looking like a CVR(t).) he should not be flying. I agree mistakes happen in war but that was not a mistake it was pilot error.
I don't thinik your going to start anything mate, I think most here will agree with you. If your going to shoot at tanks, apc's and the like you should be adequatly trained to recognize friend from foe, and if you arn't you should have enough pride in your job and initiative to go through the trouble of learning on your own, which I'm sure some do. This is one of the reasons I have no trust in technology, when we get to the point we really on machines to tell us who is who on the battle field (which we are very close to if not already there) we will have pilots indescriminatly shooting at anyone who doesn't appear on there HUD as Friendly.
"This far and no further" - Britain, World War 1 & 2
The sad part is that the A-10 was built perfectly for target identification. It can fly at very slow speeds so the pilot can accuratley tell the difference between friend and foe, yet they still mess up. The RAF however, are doing their job with older equipment and guidance systems etc in their aircraft, and hit next to no friendly forces (as far as im aware).
And talking about blue on blue, its never really matters if the USA wipes out a couple of Brits on the way to reaching bagdad first, not untill it happens to them anyway. I read a book from the first gulf war written by a US marine called Jarhead, and he described how it felt to be put in danger by his own country. A group of M1 Abrams opened fire onto their convoy killing and wounding US troops. At least they got a taste of how it was, and someone got severely dealt with for making that mistake.
And as for the whole "The Brits are being too slow" situation... . When we entered basra we took our time, sure, but in the end there were 3 UK fatalities (forgive me if im wrong) the threat was neutralised and there was no civilian casualties, ppl cheering the british troops and thanking them. The US however stormed into the situation and created a complete cluster****. I saw it happen on a TV documentary. A US head shed ordered men to move forward, set up a defensive perimiter on a road and shoot anything that moves. Civilian cars were sometimes given a warning shot, but were strafed with bullets anyway. A pile up of civilian cars lay to waste at the hands of the US. One women and a friend pretended to be dead in their car next to the bodies of their family, in fear that the US would shoot them on sight mercilessly. In that situation more civilians were killed than enemy forces.
Tell me now... which is better
1. Proper planning and prevention adding up to a job well done.
or
2. Lets get to bagdad as fast as we can. Shoot anything that moves and kill more civilians than enemy forces.
No offense to the US troops. Some of them are doing a great job out their and i in no way am taking a stab at america. I live practically right next to USAF base Ramstein Germany for crying out loud
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And talking about blue on blue, its never really matters if the USA wipes out a couple of Brits on the way to reaching bagdad first, not untill it happens to them anyway. I read a book from the first gulf war written by a US marine called Jarhead, and he described how it felt to be put in danger by his own country. A group of M1 Abrams opened fire onto their convoy killing and wounding US troops. At least they got a taste of how it was, and someone got severely dealt with for making that mistake.
And as for the whole "The Brits are being too slow" situation... . When we entered basra we took our time, sure, but in the end there were 3 UK fatalities (forgive me if im wrong) the threat was neutralised and there was no civilian casualties, ppl cheering the british troops and thanking them. The US however stormed into the situation and created a complete cluster****. I saw it happen on a TV documentary. A US head shed ordered men to move forward, set up a defensive perimiter on a road and shoot anything that moves. Civilian cars were sometimes given a warning shot, but were strafed with bullets anyway. A pile up of civilian cars lay to waste at the hands of the US. One women and a friend pretended to be dead in their car next to the bodies of their family, in fear that the US would shoot them on sight mercilessly. In that situation more civilians were killed than enemy forces.
Tell me now... which is better
1. Proper planning and prevention adding up to a job well done.
or
2. Lets get to bagdad as fast as we can. Shoot anything that moves and kill more civilians than enemy forces.
No offense to the US troops. Some of them are doing a great job out their and i in no way am taking a stab at america. I live practically right next to USAF base Ramstein Germany for crying out loud
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According to the US news there are only like 8000 UK troops in Iraq. There are hundreds of thousands of US personnel in theater; this is why there is such a disparity on press time. Also journalist want to see US troops screw up so they can complain about what barbarians we are.
BTW Fox news ran a story tonight about our Polish friends fighting in Iraq, hour long program too.
Sorry about the FF. Nothing I could really say.....
BTW Fox news ran a story tonight about our Polish friends fighting in Iraq, hour long program too.
Sorry about the FF. Nothing I could really say.....
First to Fire!!!
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
- Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
"When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite."
- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
- Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
"When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite."
- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
Basra
We took our time with Basra for many reasons. To name a few:
1. British forces had a highly intricate intelligence network at work in Basra.
2. Did not want British casualties to encourage resistance in Baghdad.
3. 1 (UK) Div spearheaded the jump across the border with a USMC MEU that then swung North. 1 (UK) Div waited on Basra in case they where needed to support the MEU if they met stiff resistance.
4. Besides the above, there was no immediate political or military need to rush in, and better results could be obtained by a thorough job.
As for the blue on blue. It happens to everyone at some point, although admittedly the US do have a disturbingly high rate, that is an undeniable fact. What I find more disturbing though is that attitude. With US units that I have worked with or know people in, the general attitude at all levels, especially in the staff seems to be one of 'shit happens', whereas in UK forces, no matter how often it happens, it is still totally unacceptable and unprofessional.
So you see our American chums, we are not necessarily just bashing you lads for shits n giggles, thats what the Welsh are for, we just have very different views on what makes a professional soldier, and I have to say, we seem to have had a lot more success in the post Second World War world, and certainly carry the reputation world wide.
It comes to the whole military ethos. Keep in mind the UK military is much smaller, has almost always had to fight outnumbered with less. It is hard to train all of a military as vast as the US's to such a high standard, and have all the troops deployed to gain experience. I can't believe it when I hear US officers I know talk about being overstretched. You think you lot have it bad, you should see us, before we sent 1/5 of our Army to Iraq, let alone after! The fact is for a military so vast, when there is technology to compensate, "quantity has a quality all of its own". While quantity applies more in the extreme to a nation such as China or Russia, it is true on a much smaller scale in the US military when in comparison with the UK's.
But I have to say, almost every day my local paper here in the South (USA) had a picture of our British lads giving it their best. We certainly have been recognised in the USA. Every US serviceman and woman I have spoken to, who served with British units, has only had the highest admiration and respect for the way we do things. A Cpt I know in the 101st even adapted his FIBUA (MOUT) tactics in Iraq in part after watching 1st Royal Irish in training. All you lads out there in the British forces should be proud, sterling work!
Crack on!
1. British forces had a highly intricate intelligence network at work in Basra.
2. Did not want British casualties to encourage resistance in Baghdad.
3. 1 (UK) Div spearheaded the jump across the border with a USMC MEU that then swung North. 1 (UK) Div waited on Basra in case they where needed to support the MEU if they met stiff resistance.
4. Besides the above, there was no immediate political or military need to rush in, and better results could be obtained by a thorough job.
As for the blue on blue. It happens to everyone at some point, although admittedly the US do have a disturbingly high rate, that is an undeniable fact. What I find more disturbing though is that attitude. With US units that I have worked with or know people in, the general attitude at all levels, especially in the staff seems to be one of 'shit happens', whereas in UK forces, no matter how often it happens, it is still totally unacceptable and unprofessional.
So you see our American chums, we are not necessarily just bashing you lads for shits n giggles, thats what the Welsh are for, we just have very different views on what makes a professional soldier, and I have to say, we seem to have had a lot more success in the post Second World War world, and certainly carry the reputation world wide.
It comes to the whole military ethos. Keep in mind the UK military is much smaller, has almost always had to fight outnumbered with less. It is hard to train all of a military as vast as the US's to such a high standard, and have all the troops deployed to gain experience. I can't believe it when I hear US officers I know talk about being overstretched. You think you lot have it bad, you should see us, before we sent 1/5 of our Army to Iraq, let alone after! The fact is for a military so vast, when there is technology to compensate, "quantity has a quality all of its own". While quantity applies more in the extreme to a nation such as China or Russia, it is true on a much smaller scale in the US military when in comparison with the UK's.
But I have to say, almost every day my local paper here in the South (USA) had a picture of our British lads giving it their best. We certainly have been recognised in the USA. Every US serviceman and woman I have spoken to, who served with British units, has only had the highest admiration and respect for the way we do things. A Cpt I know in the 101st even adapted his FIBUA (MOUT) tactics in Iraq in part after watching 1st Royal Irish in training. All you lads out there in the British forces should be proud, sterling work!
Crack on!
