I've got some questions:
1. Is it possible for foreign people to join the US ARMY RANGERS?
2. Can you compare the Rangers with the Green Barets?
3. What are the main-jobs of the Rangers?
4. What are the requirements?
5. How long do you have to serve? (4yrs?)
6. Do the Rangers operate in small groups of 4-8 persons?
8. I may sound a bit dumb, but the special forces you see in the movie 'sniper' and 'sniper 2', what are they? I know you can't compare movies with reality but I just want to know to get an expression.
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Freeze welcome to the forums, (ha i finally beat jason 
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I asked the same type of questions a while back heres the link
viewtopic.php?t=2753&highlight=us+rangers
hope that helps...
lew
) I asked the same type of questions a while back heres the link
viewtopic.php?t=2753&highlight=us+rangers
hope that helps...
lew
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Welcome Freeze, if lew's link does not answer your questions take a look at these sites.
http://www.armyranger.com/
http://www.ranger.org/
http://www.grunts.net/army/rangers.html
http://www.armyranger.com/
http://www.ranger.org/
http://www.grunts.net/army/rangers.html
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I'd take a para over a ranger any day. There's a reason why a Master Corporal from the PPCLI or RCR (Canadian regular infantry regiments) tops the Ranger course every year.
They teach an extremely "wooden" approach to leadership and their idea of "toughness" is simply seeing who can go furthest without food/sleep. It's an exercise in futility. They tend not to teach their soldiers to think. They certainly didn't impress me!
Can y'all say, "Whooah!"?
They teach an extremely "wooden" approach to leadership and their idea of "toughness" is simply seeing who can go furthest without food/sleep. It's an exercise in futility. They tend not to teach their soldiers to think. They certainly didn't impress me!
Can y'all say, "Whooah!"?
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As hard as the government tries to shaft us at every opportunity with crappy kit, budget cuts, and what have you, I have to say that the individual Canadian infantry or airborne soldier (when he is allowed to do his stuff properly), is a damned fine troop, overall.
The whiney Liberals have been running the country far too long (in this country all politicians are liberals of one hue ar another), and it's taken its toll.
I was just starting to get a bit disillusioned (again!), when I went on my light infantry company commanders course last Aug in Quebec It was run as a sattelite course from the Infantry School in Gagetown, New Brunswick. The DS (all majors) were all from there. Anyway, two of the DS had just returned from A'stan and were really pumped about soldiering outside the box (so to speak!). Hence we got to write up and execute some pretty imaginative coy ops. As long as it was essentially doctrinally sound it was good to go. What a great course!
I serve with a reserve inf unit these days but I must say that I would happily deploy with them anywhere.
Last year we visited our allied U.S. unit (161st Inf (Mechanized) - who are about to deply to Iraq), down in Yakima, Washington. On the last day there they did a 12 mile cross-country tab, with full kit. I have to say, that I was absolutely disgusted by their general lack of drive and fitenss and the inability of the Officers/NCO's to set a good example. In fact, NCO's were dropping out left right and centre. I saw one (equivalent) coy sergant major amling along with his unclipped respirator bag strap dragging along behind him and his rifle at the trail. As I passed him I saw that his eyes were all glazed over. he was a bag of crap. They had 700 troops out there on that course with a big white "snivel bus" cruising up and down to pick up stragglers (of which there were many!) and take them back to camp.
At one point we wre shuffling along the route and a sergeant lying on is back in the grass with a cig in his mouth said, "What y'all gotta prove". To which one of our ptes replied: "That we're no a bunch of idle F*****s like you lot." I had to smile.
We only had 50 guys there but most of our guys just ran the whole thing to get ot over with. At the end their CO had a big parade to hand out 15 of these special unit coins he had had hand painted with enamel and coated. He rambled on about them for a while then called for his Ops O to call out the fifteen fastest times. Every guy who marched out there was a Canadian. The Yanks were just about tripping over their bottom lips! It was pretty funny.
So, yes, I'd say overall the Canadian troops are very good. When the Third Bn Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry (Princess Patricia is, in fact, Lady Mountbatten) were in afganistan (two of whose OC's became DS on my coy comd's course last Aug), the U.S. command were so impressed by them that they redesignated them as SF and had them working with Delta teams. When it came time to select the ORBAT for the latest fiasco in Iraq, the orgnizing "commitee" included 3 PPCLI on the ORBAT of one of the divs as SF sp. When the Canadian Forces LO who was at that meeting pointed out that Prime Minister Cretien in his infinite wisdom had decided not to provide Cdn military support for the caper, they were quite put out that they couldn't have 3 PPCLI. I think that really says something.
Anyhoo, I ramble on, yet again...
The whiney Liberals have been running the country far too long (in this country all politicians are liberals of one hue ar another), and it's taken its toll.
I was just starting to get a bit disillusioned (again!), when I went on my light infantry company commanders course last Aug in Quebec It was run as a sattelite course from the Infantry School in Gagetown, New Brunswick. The DS (all majors) were all from there. Anyway, two of the DS had just returned from A'stan and were really pumped about soldiering outside the box (so to speak!). Hence we got to write up and execute some pretty imaginative coy ops. As long as it was essentially doctrinally sound it was good to go. What a great course!
I serve with a reserve inf unit these days but I must say that I would happily deploy with them anywhere.
Last year we visited our allied U.S. unit (161st Inf (Mechanized) - who are about to deply to Iraq), down in Yakima, Washington. On the last day there they did a 12 mile cross-country tab, with full kit. I have to say, that I was absolutely disgusted by their general lack of drive and fitenss and the inability of the Officers/NCO's to set a good example. In fact, NCO's were dropping out left right and centre. I saw one (equivalent) coy sergant major amling along with his unclipped respirator bag strap dragging along behind him and his rifle at the trail. As I passed him I saw that his eyes were all glazed over. he was a bag of crap. They had 700 troops out there on that course with a big white "snivel bus" cruising up and down to pick up stragglers (of which there were many!) and take them back to camp.
At one point we wre shuffling along the route and a sergeant lying on is back in the grass with a cig in his mouth said, "What y'all gotta prove". To which one of our ptes replied: "That we're no a bunch of idle F*****s like you lot." I had to smile.
We only had 50 guys there but most of our guys just ran the whole thing to get ot over with. At the end their CO had a big parade to hand out 15 of these special unit coins he had had hand painted with enamel and coated. He rambled on about them for a while then called for his Ops O to call out the fifteen fastest times. Every guy who marched out there was a Canadian. The Yanks were just about tripping over their bottom lips! It was pretty funny.
So, yes, I'd say overall the Canadian troops are very good. When the Third Bn Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry (Princess Patricia is, in fact, Lady Mountbatten) were in afganistan (two of whose OC's became DS on my coy comd's course last Aug), the U.S. command were so impressed by them that they redesignated them as SF and had them working with Delta teams. When it came time to select the ORBAT for the latest fiasco in Iraq, the orgnizing "commitee" included 3 PPCLI on the ORBAT of one of the divs as SF sp. When the Canadian Forces LO who was at that meeting pointed out that Prime Minister Cretien in his infinite wisdom had decided not to provide Cdn military support for the caper, they were quite put out that they couldn't have 3 PPCLI. I think that really says something.
Anyhoo, I ramble on, yet again...
Hooah!
anglo-saxon, yeah I remember hearing about a Canadian sniper in Afghanistan who was being court marshaled, despite his high performance record, for taking a picture of a dead Taliban player with a "Taliban sucks!" t-shirt on! You lads certainly get corn holed a lot!
US Army Rangers! Hooah!
I'm a Brit squaddy at The Citadel, a Military Academy in the USA.
Here’s my '2 cense' on the Rangers (Hooah!):
Based off the Commandos from WW2 yadda yadda yadda...
Lots of officers go to Ranger (Hooah!) school, but only a few of the men actually go into one of the Ranger (Hooah!) Battalions.
They are Special Operations, not to be confused with Special Forces!
Rangers (Hooah!): ‘Elite’ light infantry
Green Berets: Insurgency & counter insurgency. Train Guerilla forces.
Delta force: … basically the SAS…. in American!
Rangers (Hooah!) have 3 months training very hard etc etc. But, not necessarily the best training.
They are deemed the 'elite' and are only used for combat operations, no peacekeeping, which I think has its setbacks. They are very very very gung ho in nature!
My step brother was US infantry, Airborne, Air Assault and Ranger (Hooah!) qualified. As he put it, they do things the hard way, because it's… you guessed it, 'Hooah'! This is very different from Special Forces, whom are more in line with our thinking and initiative methods. In the US military more ‘elite’ means more ‘Hooah’ more gung ho, and in this case, yes the Rangers (Hooah!) certainly are ‘elite’!
As a rule, the quickest way to judge this…the more they say Hooah, the more gung-ho and Ranger like! The difference is SF. Units like Delta Force, modeled off the SAS realize that the ‘gung-ho’ doesn’t work too well! This is why there is often resentment between non SF and SF in the US military. Whereas in the UK, the ideas are the same, same ‘no drama’ ‘bullshit baffles brains’ attitudes.
Or, as the ‘snake’ analysis goes…
Various military units’ reacting to finding a snake in their AO (Area of Operations). Armor runs over the snake. The paratrooper kills the snake. Corps Artillery kills snake, but in the process kills several hundred civilians, and all participants are awarded the Silver Star. The Navy SEAL expends all ammunition and several grenades and calls for naval gunfire in a failed attempt to kill the snake. The snake bites the SEAL then retreats to safety. The Ranger (Hooah!) plays with the snake, then eats it. The Green Beret makes contact with the snake, builds rapport, wins its heart and mind, then trains it to kill other snakes.
The Ranger (Hooah!) training certainly is one of the hardest (although it has been made easier), but the style does not leave much room for initiative and thinking.
I am personally undecided on them, have yet to work with a whole unit of em. Most the Ranger (Hooah!) guys I know are now Green Berets and have converted to the path of truth!. My Cadre platoon leader for my CIC from the 1st Royal Irish said that he was rather disappointed with them. I guess like most US units they’re good, but not as good as they think! Have a LOT of Gucci kit and somewhat thus capability.
Similar role to the RM Commandos, but I’d put my money on the Commandos any day. Same would probably go for the Paras too.
“They teach an extremely "wooden" approach to leadership and their idea of "toughness" is simply seeing who can go furthest without food/sleep. It's an exercise in futility. They tend not to teach their soldiers to think. They certainly didn't impress me!
Can y'all say, "Whooah!"?”
anglo-saxon
……….. Hooah!
US Army Rangers! Hooah!
I'm a Brit squaddy at The Citadel, a Military Academy in the USA.
Here’s my '2 cense' on the Rangers (Hooah!):
Based off the Commandos from WW2 yadda yadda yadda...
Lots of officers go to Ranger (Hooah!) school, but only a few of the men actually go into one of the Ranger (Hooah!) Battalions.
They are Special Operations, not to be confused with Special Forces!
Rangers (Hooah!): ‘Elite’ light infantry
Green Berets: Insurgency & counter insurgency. Train Guerilla forces.
Delta force: … basically the SAS…. in American!
Rangers (Hooah!) have 3 months training very hard etc etc. But, not necessarily the best training.
They are deemed the 'elite' and are only used for combat operations, no peacekeeping, which I think has its setbacks. They are very very very gung ho in nature!
My step brother was US infantry, Airborne, Air Assault and Ranger (Hooah!) qualified. As he put it, they do things the hard way, because it's… you guessed it, 'Hooah'! This is very different from Special Forces, whom are more in line with our thinking and initiative methods. In the US military more ‘elite’ means more ‘Hooah’ more gung ho, and in this case, yes the Rangers (Hooah!) certainly are ‘elite’!
As a rule, the quickest way to judge this…the more they say Hooah, the more gung-ho and Ranger like! The difference is SF. Units like Delta Force, modeled off the SAS realize that the ‘gung-ho’ doesn’t work too well! This is why there is often resentment between non SF and SF in the US military. Whereas in the UK, the ideas are the same, same ‘no drama’ ‘bullshit baffles brains’ attitudes.
Or, as the ‘snake’ analysis goes…
Various military units’ reacting to finding a snake in their AO (Area of Operations). Armor runs over the snake. The paratrooper kills the snake. Corps Artillery kills snake, but in the process kills several hundred civilians, and all participants are awarded the Silver Star. The Navy SEAL expends all ammunition and several grenades and calls for naval gunfire in a failed attempt to kill the snake. The snake bites the SEAL then retreats to safety. The Ranger (Hooah!) plays with the snake, then eats it. The Green Beret makes contact with the snake, builds rapport, wins its heart and mind, then trains it to kill other snakes.
The Ranger (Hooah!) training certainly is one of the hardest (although it has been made easier), but the style does not leave much room for initiative and thinking.
I am personally undecided on them, have yet to work with a whole unit of em. Most the Ranger (Hooah!) guys I know are now Green Berets and have converted to the path of truth!. My Cadre platoon leader for my CIC from the 1st Royal Irish said that he was rather disappointed with them. I guess like most US units they’re good, but not as good as they think! Have a LOT of Gucci kit and somewhat thus capability.
Similar role to the RM Commandos, but I’d put my money on the Commandos any day. Same would probably go for the Paras too.
“They teach an extremely "wooden" approach to leadership and their idea of "toughness" is simply seeing who can go furthest without food/sleep. It's an exercise in futility. They tend not to teach their soldiers to think. They certainly didn't impress me!
Can y'all say, "Whooah!"?”
anglo-saxon
……….. Hooah!
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Now THAT's funny, got1! Bllody hilarious in fact!
The 82nd Airborne didn't take too kindly to our nicknaming them the "jumping junkies", either. They especially disliked our lifting all of their OPs, men, eqpt,...everything but their used needles, in fact! Bloody useless creatures they were. Weird buggers. Half of them were over weight. A lot of them had thick glasses. All very strange!
The 82nd Airborne didn't take too kindly to our nicknaming them the "jumping junkies", either. They especially disliked our lifting all of their OPs, men, eqpt,...everything but their used needles, in fact! Bloody useless creatures they were. Weird buggers. Half of them were over weight. A lot of them had thick glasses. All very strange!
