Close Quarters Combat

[harry hackedoff]

Damart Long Johns? Damart bleeding long johns Haven`t you ever heard of Lifas Damart indeed

[chunky from york]

Yes Harry BUT Damart are manufactured in Leeds and one can obtain 'factory seconds' at half price or less. A fatal attraction to a Yorkshireman.

[famewolf]

I'd rather carry a Glock Knife.

[always go commando]

you wash your clothes with a knife? you hard b*startd

[neil1955]

Yes loz, but you're rich, when I got my leatherman, they had only just been invented. anyway (I allways used a piece of stone for that as any thing expensive tended not to come back down. )I only carried it to throw ariels into trees and open beer bottles.

[neil1955]

Loz, they may have started out as antenna but they had been extended and retracted so many times (excuse the pun) that by the time we got them they were ariels. Also I am not sure how to spell antena.

Regarding dhobi'ing, the excuse was that our field kit had to be rinsed in water only, no soap to stop tracker dogs following us. They follow the scent of detergent,soap,toothpaste etc not the scent of 'man'.

We wound one new lad up about his damart long johns and told him that the thermal efficiency was cut in half if he ever washed them. But after six or seven exercises we had to stand upwind of him and eventually got someone to tell him the truth! Red faced unhappy bunny, looking for his 'mates; with a big stick.

The t\di antena that we used was not issue kit probably why it worked.

[gasrod]

Since I'm bored at the moment, I thought I would let all the wannabees know the facts about:-

Unarmed Combat, the Regiment does not teach unarmed combat as a set subject,the PTI's will show the parts of the body that are vulnerable and how to strike them but that is about it. Having a class fighting and kicking is a good way to generate injuries and develop vendettas. However study of the Martial Arts is strongly recommended

>> The BG course has a lot of unarmed combat on it. Dunno how easy it is to get that now though. If people want they can go thru the IBA and get a really good coourse but they will ahve to pay for it. Jimbo used to run some great BG courses and now must make a tidy package.


Knife fighting is not taught at all, everyone carries a fire arm so why bother. The wartime FS dagger and training was introduced for psychological warfare reasons, they frighten the enemy and make the wearer feel good.

>again jim S used to teach knife fighting but then he was "speacial"


Knife throwing is a Circus act and has nothing to do with reality, even ninjas developed alternatives to throwing knifes for a good reason you have to be a set distance from the target.

>>Jim S again - he taught us how to throw an AK47 bayonet. I think visiting Ryazan Airborne academy got to him a bit (lol). I accept it wasn't a useful skill but I wasn't going to try and tell him, never a good idea to throw a weapon away. btw you are better off with a good knuckle duster than a knife if it gets personal, however cutting firewood with a knuckle duster is very tiring!!


Personally I carried a K bar for about a year then realized that I had never used it so switched to a pussers dirk. then a swiss army knife until I lost the tooth pick then stuck to a Leatherman.

>>suits you sir

[gasrod]

Sorry chunky - it looks like you said all of that and you didn't - the bold is chunkies apart from the bit abput knife fighting not being taught at all. Just to make it clear I said the stuff not in bold. I will get the hang of this one day.

Damart long johns!!!! - just get a pair of tights on under your combats. Also if you cut the crotch out of a second pair and cut the feet off you can make a nice torso warmer too. TIGHTS ROCK!!!

[gasrod]

Just another quick word - my comments are aimed at general readers of this board not at chunky and BG stands for Body Guard.

Randall knives are bloody good and one even has a knuckle duster built in.

I believe someone was asking about unarmed combat - UKSF and other teeth arms were never very keen on unarmed combat officially. The Russians were the keenest and anyone interested in military unarmed combat (an oxymoron if ever there was one) should check out the Russian Airborne sites and spetsnaz sites or search for Rokupashni Boi (try a few different spellings) which is their style of fighting. They train to use other bits of kit - like entrenching tools - as weapons. Whereas your average british squaddie already knows these things

[sneaky beaky]

Chunky has it dead right. Why should any SF operative be taught to knife fight! The Commando Dagger was - and still is a Symbol! Having spent 20 years doing this sort of thing I can honestly say I was never taught it. And I didn't want to be . I had a 9mm Browning for God's sake!!

[lew]

That’s a good point, is it needed??? Its said that you have to perform a movement 2500 times to have the muscle memory, although I think this type of stuff should be taught, just out of sheer fascination with it all...


lew

[Guest]

Chunky has it dead right. Why should any SF operative be taught to knife fight! The Commando Dagger was - and still is a Symbol! Having spent 20 years doing this sort of thing I can honestly say I was never taught it. And I didn't want to be . I had a 9mm Browning for God's sake!!

What if you had to remove a sentry quietly? Makes a bit of a boom that 9mm doesnt it?

I think you should at least be taught how to hold a knife properly and where the best places are to cut someone etc.

For example how many people know theres a major artery just below your left shoulder that if u cut it, your oppo will drop dead in 2 secs and no amount of help will save him (got that from http://www.gutterfighting.org/fairbairnknife.html )

At least you wont be making wild over and underarm stabbing movements like in that SAS programme the other day!

[sneaky beaky]

Sorry, URNU-Student
Just where exactly is that point under the left shoulder that is so vulnerable? And why isn't the right shoulder just as vulnerable?
Knife fighting is not an exact science and 9mm Brownings can be suppressed, and used from a longer distance. Warfare is a dirty business. Knife fighting may be "Honorable", same as sword fighting,
but at the end of the day, all you want to do is take the guy out by the most efficient means.
I believe in being a Dirty Bastard. It keeps you alive.
A bit depressing really. I'm really quite a nice guy.
Yours,
S.B.

[Andy O'Pray]

Being an ex mortarman my experience of close quarter combat was anything from 100 to 6,500 metres. The farther away the better. I probably bombed the shit out of guys with knives.

Aye - Andy