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Re: Are all US pilots Cowboys?

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USARMY_ wrote:And who said the bombing of Canadians in Afghanisan was an accident? :usa
I'm sorry but i find that comment particulary distasteful, you may of forgotten, but the reason those Canadian service men (and women) were in Afghanistan, risking there lives in the first place, was because the were there to support America after 9/11.

I think you should bloody well apologise.

You forget that there are those fighting for OUR freedom in foreign lands, many many miles from loved ones, some who will not return, some killed by friendly fire, and you wish to make joke about those killed by blue on blue.

Get a grip.

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Calum, it is very unfortunate that those Soliders died. My point was to make it sting a bit, because of the same reason you got mad. Americans are fighting all over the world for every one's freedom. Everyone benefits if Al-Qaida is done away with. same with saddam and Kim Joung Ill and colombian drug lords. But all, most people around the world do is complain about how bad America is. Why? B/C they're jealous or they don't like that our president is from texas. But you seem like a decent person so I will apologize to you and the families of those poor men who indeed sacraficed for us all.

And while we are on this train of thought, some of these Britts who are trash talking US pilots need to go to Westminister Abbey and read the Very Thick Book under glass behind the main alter across from Oliver Cromwell's former resting place.
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But all, most people around the world do is complain about how bad America is. Why?
well, I have something against america for a number of many a number of reasons:

- they are destroying the culture of every country in the world through mass media such as television and spawning crowds of ignorant vandals who pretend to be just like the silly talentless "Rapstars", of whom your country has far to many.

- your foreign policy is riddled with hypocrasy: you're allowed to do things that no other country in the world is allowed to, just because you are the only superpower.

- your people are stupid. they have no knowledge of standard world geography. a very large section of the population have no idea what goes on outside your country. most, not all but most, of the american people have opinions and ideas that, if instigated, would crush the human race in a matter of days.

- america is the home of people like TexasW*nker, who deserve to be hung. all of you racist scum. then burnt.



dont worry, if I think of any more, i'll add them. (but now please bear in mind that one of my bestest mates is american, and the scenery there is quite nice. so i dont hate it entirely.)
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Thank you for apologising US ARMY.

I belive that America is damned if it does and damned if it doesn't. If it takes part in peacekeeping then it's seen to be trying to exact its force around the globe, and if it doesn't then it's seen to by inward looking and turing a blind eye. That isn't to say I'm a great fan of recent US foreign policy though.

I also happen to back Blair in standing with Bush. I am not a Tony Blair (and Labour) fan, however as he said 'History will prove me (Blair) right', he has the courage of his convictions = Balls, something most polititions seem to lack.

(I hope this isn't too political, if so, admin please feel free to delete).
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Calum this is a democracy. we only delete/amend offensive articles or posts. Our criteria remains "Would our wives/girls be offended if they read this." Simple but it works.
Political discussion is encouraged, as is common sense and good manners. We have edited various posts when obvious abusive comments are made of a sexual or threatening nature. No apology necessary.
Just 30 press ups. :lol:
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Thank you, your most honerable and greatful leader, you, the one we call El Prez, and only 30 good ones, why at this stage of training I'd have thought at least 40 :wink:
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Quote: Note British forces are much fresher since they haven't been sluggin' through the Iraqi desert.

Sluggin'? Sluggin' what? Sand? O, I know… camels.


Quote: As reported by, Fox news..

Allow me to enlighten those of you who don't live in the US. Fox news is the most biased, lob sided, right-wing media since Hitler wrote Mein Kampf! It's owned by that crooked corporate hog, Rupert Murdoch who nicked top football from the common Brit and forced them all to buy dishes if they wanted to keep watching it. Every single presenter on the channel, from O’Reily to Hannity, is anti-planet and anti-anything not American. The entire channel is 24 hours of right-wing, narrow minded, American self righteousness. And just to pour salt on an open wound, their slogan: “Fair and balanced news. We report, you decide.” What a farce.
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Whereas the BBC is certainly left wing and run by people who are afriad to be English and find 'British' a rude word. I would like to hear them refer to our troops as our troops instead of refering to them coldly as though they are some Republican Guard outfit.
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Topper wrote:Whereas the BBC is certainly left wing and run by people who are afriad to be English and find 'British' a rude word. I would like to hear them refer to our troops as our troops instead of refering to them coldly as though they are some Republican Guard outfit.
That is so true, its realy annoying and ive pretty much boycotted bbc news now.

When they started calling the UK troops @the invaders@ that was the final straw.

All the positive images before bagdhad fell such as the celebration in basra, the flowers given to scores of troops. Where not covered at all on the bbc. Instead they focused on finding people who blamed uk troops for the troubles.

In short i hate the bbc cos its up its own ars*

Hmm that feels better ;p

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The BBC got kicked off US Naval vessels yesterday!!!!!

Prime Minister, how about the desert, random acts of insanity by fanatics, fedaeem Saddam, Republican Guard, Army reg, etc. Speed bumps really, but sitin' around on your arse sure is nicer then all that.

You also wrote Fox news was "anti-anything not American". Well it would be nice if that were true. I'd say it was closer to 98% "anti-anything not American", however if you want to read some Anti-American news, just pick up the LA or NY times, they hate America, for your viewing pleasure click over to ABC or NBC, the worst, and last but not least for latest in left wing radio info just check out NPR.
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Since this started, twenty-odd days ago, me and Andy have been posting a daily news overview. I have had to seriouly curtail my surfing activities, diving has long since gone out the window and I can only find the odd half hour to fit in my ogling practise. I watch most of the tv nets mentioned above and visit all of their websites. Two things have become obvious to me in that time.
When this first kicked off, all of the stations were doing their own thing. One network had one story, another network had a differant story. The overall view was more inclusive, more accurate. Sure, they all used "pool shots" where a beeb reporter stands in front of a story and talks about that story, for instance. When it`s shown on CNN, say, the beeb guy is edited out of the shot and the CNN guy does a voice-over. Since about day three, that changed. Now, what is shown on CNN matches almost perfectly, what is being shown on every other station.There is hardly any differance between the French Canel Neuf, NBC or the beeb or any other station. That`s scary. The two exceptions are a Spanish network and Russian tv, who are similar, and Al Jazeera. That`s my perception. I don`t speak Russian or Arabic but can get by in Spanish and French, the German station broadcasts in German and English. Don`t take my word for this, look at the websites. They look like they have all been writen by the same hand. They probably have. And that`s even more scary.

The second thing is how often the main networks nick stuff off the bloggers. The first to give credit to these guys was Reuters, they mentioned a source as www.blogsofwar.com and overnight, this site was transformed. Because of bandwidth probs caused by millions of hits, it is now down to the bare minimum. There are many blog sites, ranging from the mostly accurate to the fantasists. Take the time and you`ll find out which is which. The sources for these sites are sometimes far more clued-up than the so-called professional reporters.
Black Propaganda( the production of storys which sound like they could be true) has long been one of my interests and I liked to spot the plants in British newspapers. Anything from" oops, I`ve just bit me pillow" Mandelson, was easy to spot as his nose would "intumesce"
The best example of Black Propaganda that you will be aware of was selling Herman the idea that the invasion of Europe would be in the Pas de Calais. There were Sigs troops in Kent who generated enough traffic to convince Herman that his "best worst case scenario" was about to come true. He bit bigtime. Seems like we are, as well.
ARMY boy, beeb kicked off Elmers tugs? I don`t think so mate. You are confusing this(or CNN is) with the story that the crew on the Ark requested Sky replace the beeb as it was less critical of British Forces in particular, and the Coalition in general.
Furthermore, can anyone tell me the source of the alledged Blue on Blue incident caused by British Troops engaging a US armoured vehicle as I have seen no mention of this, on any network.
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Just checked O'reilly's transcript...

"The British Royal Navy's flagship aircraft carrier, the Ark, has pulled the plug on the BBC, the British Broadcasting Corporation. The British commander saying, "The BBC always takes the Iraqi side, and our sailors are fed up with it."

So it's over the side with the BBC. They've been disgraceful in their war coverage, as we mentioned. Just today, as I said, instead of showing a Saddam statue coming down, they covered an earthquake in India."

I caught the tale end of the story, must of heard it wrong. Obviously I retract my statement. I'll be searching for links to other statements. Thanks for the heads up.


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Like Harry, I have been checking out every news site that I can in order to get as accurate a story as I can before posting it on the news overview. Again, like Harry, certain statements have been made on various threads about things that are supposed to have happened, that I cannot find on any of my searches. I believe that I used the word" inaccurate" in one of my postings, with reference to statements made.

It is a common saying that the first casualty of war is the truth. I keep checking all of the news sites and go to CBC for confirmation, and, of course, Christiane Amanpour.

Aye - Andy. :scatter:
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USBALMY,
We’ve all seen the footage and we’ve all read the reports; US Hum-Vs hurtling across the desert at 55mph without obstruction. Do they face fanatics, fedaeem Saddam, Republican Guard etc…, yes, but only at the major towns they seek to control. Sluggin’ across the desert panting from exertion is hardly how one would describe it.

As far as being disgraced goes, I noticed the Fox reporter, Geraldo Rivera, got drop kicked out of Iraq by the US Army for drawing a map in the sand in one of his news reports, revealing the US military position and hence endangering lives. Silly Twit! (Not you USARMY, Geraldo).

Like I said though, people like O’Reily are hardly credible news presenters. His show’s perspective on current affairs is as relevant as Stalinist propaganda, which is just what it is, propaganda. O’Reily is anti-British and as I’ve said, anti-planet and anti-anything not American.

Fox News, O’Reily and yourself, think anything that isn’t blatantly right-wing is anti-American and liberal. You are both blinded by the right! BBC may be leftward, but I would say it is left of centre rather than so far to the right we can’t see the centre like Fox News. So many people, including myself, want to, and do, have love for America. But intolerant right-wingers like O’Reily, who revere the US so highly, ironically make it so hard for the rest of the international community to appreciate the great country the US is, and in the end do her injustice. When people watch the news, they want the view of those for and those against, that way the audience really can decide. This is also why democracies like the US and UK have more than one party.

Also, for all those bashing the BBC: It is hardly patriotic criticizing to the point of boycott the BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation. The BBC flies the Jack around the world representing Britain and British culture. BBC World Service is relied upon by people in places like China and Zimbabwe and other remote places where agenda driven media is the only alternative. When I switch on the BBC here in Atlanta, It’s refreshing to hear that familiar British accent and ringing of Big Ben. If you lived out side of Britain you would be proud too. The coverage of the statue incident was covered just as well and as neutrally as on the US channels. (except Fox). In fact BBC kept rolling an excerpt of a Baghdadian cheering, “Saddam bad, Mr. Bush good man.” US news is always very disappointing. O’Reily talks about Iraq one minute and covers Michael Jackson scandals and cat-stuck-in-tree reports the next. Tad to the Left the BBC may be, but you can’t beat it for world wide coverage.

As I said about US right wingers making the US look bad: Take a look at USARMY’s argument where, for some reason, he compares the task and efforts of the British army with that of the US army in Iraq, in an effort to expose British military mediocrity and US military triumph. Bad mouthing France I would expect, but why criticize your closest ally and brother in arms?

No doubt you will see my response as anti-American since it lacked staunch undivided US support, but just like the sad folk on Fox, you’ll be totally wrong. The original question at hand, ‘Are all US pilots Cowboys?’, prompted by the high number of friendly fire deaths caused by US forces, is a fair question and its incidence is an undeniable FACT! It is not necessarily anti-American and so there is no need to get so defensive and start scoffing at British forces. Britain is on your side!

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[quote="Prime Minister"]USBALMY,
Also, for all those bashing the BBC: It is hardly patriotic criticizing to the point of boycott the BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation. The BBC flies the Jack around the world representing Britain and British culture. BBC World Service is relied upon by people in places like China and Zimbabwe and other remote places where agenda driven media is the only alternative. When I switch on the BBC here in Atlanta, It’s refreshing to hear that familiar British accent and ringing of Big Ben. If you lived out side of Britain you would be proud too. The coverage of the statue incident was covered just as well and as neutrally as on the US channels. (except Fox). In fact BBC kept rolling an excerpt of a Baghdadian cheering, “Saddam bad, Mr. Bush good man.” US news is always very disappointing. O’Reily talks about Iraq one minute and covers Michael Jackson scandals and cat-stuck-in-tree reports the next. Tad to the Left the BBC may be, but you can’t beat it for world wide coverage.
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As one of the bashers ill try to answer that one babe.

Yes its something to be proud of that even arabs i have chatted to trust the bbc, they hold it as honest and neutral. But its the terminology they use. In the effort to appear neutral they refer to our forces in a very neutral manner, demonstrated in a piece where they kept on reffering to us as the invaders.

Also when covering basra. I saw the coverage on sky, which covered the celebrations, the torture chambers, and the looting.

When i saw it later that night, on bbc, the main slant was the inability to maintain law and order.

So the facts arent changed, but the slant is. i can accept murdoch is more biased than bbc. Its just the bbc slant always seems to rub me up the wrong way, i cant help that.

So in an ideal world id want something in between murdoch and the bbc. Hmm much closer to bbc than murdoch thinking about it ;p

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