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woof wrote:Steve you are being awfully polite these days your niceness is wonderful have you stopped drinking Hartlepool water and moved to warmer places?
You dont seem like the man of 3 years ago.Good on yeah mate.
The fiery side sits in the background, where I feel is its rightful place these days. I also think I'm getting a little wiser. My frustrations are generally resolved in the gym or the dojo and the end result makes a more amiable character. All positive stuff I guess.

On another subject: I see the thread is continuing on its off course route. LB isn't wrong with his statistics, he's fighting his corner, along with the way the thread as devaited and I guess there's nothing wrong with that.

In the 80's The Royal Marines saw action in The Falklands War, Northern Ireland and Cyprus. Since then there's been Sierra Leone, Iraq, Afganistan etc etc. Also the training in the Jungle, Mountain and Arctic Warfare, Special Operations and even basic training saw a number of fatalities, which aren't recorded as statistics.

The police fight crime and the Soldiers fight the wars. Both, undoubtedly have their challenges. There's usually a population of between 5 and 7 thousand Royal Marines compared to the vast number of policemen in the country. There has to be, we all know that.

However, Royal Marines are elite soldiers, their training course is known and reputed as being the longest and most arduous in the Western World. They are an elite, with a world wide reputation for their fighting skills, high level of physical fitness as well as their grit and determination in getting the job done. I'm not comparing them to other occupations, but when you're in the field, on active service, in the arctic, the jungle, the streets of Northern Ireland or whatever, the requirements and demands of the job are relentless. You don't clock off at the end of the day and some times you may go days without sleep or very little rest.

On active service you will probably be under fire at some point, including machine gun and rifle fire power, mortar bombs, petrol bombs, Claymore Mines, roadside bombs and even human suicide bombers. The list is endless.

On another note, the civilian population see you when and if you come home from these operations and make judgement on you when they see you letting your hair down. Or we could call if letting off steam.

They don't see you during battle situations when the momentum starts and you are tactically moving forward in and through the enemy positions. On the way through controlled mayhem ensues during the firefight, if on the way you run out of ammo, you will fix bayonets and rip and tear anyone to peices who gets in the way until its finished.

Our Marines aren't just facing violence, they're offering it against those who oppose our country. So to coin a phrase:

People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. (George Orwell)


No disrespect to you LB, but as for statistics, putting them together keeps somebody in a job!!

All the very best

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Ste Preece wrote:
woof wrote: No disrespect to you LB, but as for statistics, putting them together keeps somebody in a job!!

All the very best

Steve
No, you're okay mate. No offence or disrespect felt.

I know it's like comparing apples and oranges, and doesn't really achieve anything because the two professions are quite different, and different in more ways than they are similar.

Yet highlighting those differences and risks can be necessary at times.

Especially when some police officers (including some I've worked with) view soldiers, not military personnel in general, but combat soldiers especially marines, paras, guards and infantry as some kind of close relation to cro-magnon man.

Whereas many of the abovementioned soldiers view the police as jackbooted fascist thugs.

I've had enough run-ins on duty in Chelsea with Scots and Irish guards that allowed for healthy and vigorous verbal exchanges on the subject.... :wink: In other words, punch ups :D
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Well,
to sum up there are lie's,bloody lie's and statistics.
I do agree with a lot of what London Boy says.
The average cop on the street is far more likely to get injured/killed than a soldier.
The nature of our job is protection and not aggression,although I must say I wonder why we bother with some of the low lives and pond dwellers I've had to deal with.
As to the use of lethal force,thats part of an American cops training.
We carry guns.Get used to it.
We do not however draw down on the first person we see outside the donut store. :D
I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I have had to use the threat of deadly force and draw my firearm.
And one of those times was when the ex-wife got into the moonshine :P
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Fair play guys.

LB: I refer to my friend Simon Bywater once again.

Here's his website:

http://www.forcedout.co.uk/HOME.HTM

It was a combination of both these occupations that unfortunately sent Sy over the edge. He wrote about this in his first book, Forced Out. I read it with interest. The last quarter of the book was about his time in the Police Force. In all honesty, I thought, hhmmmm, this is about the police force and I don't know if I'm really interested in reading this. How wrong I was and I don't mind admitting it. My wife even commented that I never looked up from starting that part of the book until I closed the cover at the end.

Following this Sy wrote a novel and I had the pleasure of reviewing the raw manuscript for him prior to its release. He said, it was his novel way of dealing with his PTSD.

I don't think Forced Out is still available in the shops, but you could email Sy at Charente Publishing and ask him or even get a copy from the library.

And...before anybody asks, no I'm not on a commission. Sy is a friend of mine whom I respect. He's a fellow former Bootneck and Royal Marines Policeman as well as now being a former Police Officer who works as a Private Investigator. Additionally, he does a hell of a lot of charity work for military organisations. A top guy, I would say.

All the very best

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I am a crab coming to the end of my nine years service and hoping to transfer to the elite corps next year due to the fact that as 17 year old lad i went into the careers office and went for the easy option and have regretted it ever since, so now older and wiser want to see of I have what it takes if i fail so be it.

I'd say we all appreciate what coppers do and respect them for that especially with government targets to hold them back, military and coppers i'd say were probably pretty similar in lifestyles (cept the pay lol).

But to go back to the point at the very begining of this thread how can you say you are glad not to join something you know nothing about or what it's like to be part of, it be would like me going on to a train drivers forum and saying i'm glad i'm not a train driver (secretly i'd love to drive a train :wink: )
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yh but people who want to join dont nessarily wnt 2 join 4 da money its the life style
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greena987 wrote:yh but people who want to join dont nessarily wnt 2 join 4 da money its the life style
Could you please write in English?
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greena987 wrote:yh but people who want to join dont nessarily wnt 2 join 4 da money its the life style

You get one more chance to use correct English, then you're out on your ear lad. You've been warned.


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Paul, I`m sorry mate, I cannot accept this as true for the old bill,
The average cop on the street is far more likely to get injured/killed than a soldier.
Fatalities to date for Op Telec, since 2003 are 174 total, of which 109 are kia, 25 died as a result of wounds sustained and 40 are from other causes. Seriously injured and very seriously injured figures are 212
The figures for Herrick since 2003 are 84 total, of which 59 are kia, 2 died from wounds sustained and 23 from other causes. Serious and very serious figures are 113

That`s a total of 258 killed in action and 325 seriously or very seriously injuried.
Are you seriously equating the police casualties over the same period with these statistics?
More than one policeman per week, every week, for five years?
Come on mate get real.
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In the United States, between Sheriff's Offices,City Police,State Police,INS,Border Patrol,ATF(Coff),US Marshalls,Texas Rangers,FBI,yes we do lose that many Law Enforcement Officers.
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Wholley wrote:In the United States, between Sheriff's Offices,City Police,State Police,INS,Border Patrol,ATF(Coff),US Marshalls,Texas Rangers,FBI,yes we do lose that many Law Enforcement Officers.
In the US, between all those forces, you have over 840,000 full-time law enforcement officers. The UK armed forces has a strength of 195,900 regular forces, 429,500 including all reserve forces.
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Lets face it the police get better treated in the way of pay, pensions, and other allowances. If you want to wind up with cash in your pocket as a OR then the Forces is not the place for you.
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wholley you are very silly equating the dangers of cop work and military work as being similar especially when mentioning the terrors of racoon chasing from angry car parks -bone reply mate.
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Sorry you feel that way.
90% boredom,10% interesting.
Now where have I heard that before?
Your biased anyway as you just don't like Police Officers. 8)
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I guess that you must have been in the military at the wrong time or right time depending on your point of view also you mustn't have been a bootneck.
Being shot at most every day for weeks on end does tend to liven up the scene a bit a touch of boredom would have been fine thing now and again.
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