One For Our American Friends

[Tab]

Just how do you view all these protest by Mexicans in the US, and do you think that they should get their citizenship once they have evaded capture for a few years. If the answer is yes would think that would also apply to any other country in the world. Also do you think that your politicians are really tackling the problem.

[longrifle]

I acknowledge the U.S. Constitution grants them the right to protest but the protests still annoy me. Mexico doesn't grant non-citizens those rights. I could not go to Mexico and legally protest anything.

No amnesty! You should not recieve a reward of amnesty and citizenship when your very first act on U.S. soil was breaking a federal law. That's what entering the country illegally is.

Politicians are not addressing the problem. That goes for both parties.

[longrifle]

Besides, if Wholley had to get legal so should everyone else!

[Wholley]

Tab.
I agree with Longrifle on this point.
You either do it the right way or your outtta here.
I don't care where they come from.
The Constitution does not protect illegalls.
Like LR said,I had to do it the right way.
So should everyone else.
Since INS was moved from Justice to Homeland Security it's become a joke.
Up until recently we could not report an illegall even one without a Drivers License.
Apparently that was not viewed as a Law Enforcement issue.
A certain President had convicted felon immigrants naturlised just to ensure his re-election(Bet you can't guess which one)
Fark knows how Bert got into OZ

[harry hackedoff]

Fark knows how Bert got into OZ

The right way mate.
Send`em all back I say.
Mexicans, Brazilians, they`re all a bunch of cnuts

Merkins all round is it ?

[Mrs. Frank S.]

Added emphasis is mine

Fark knows how Bert got into OZ

The right way mate.
Send`em all back I say.
Mexicans, Brazilians, they`re all a bunch of cnuts

Merkins all round is it ?

Sorry bud, my family is quite sane and we're not going anywhere. In fact, the "Mexican" side of my family was here before the Spaniards.

[harry hackedoff]

Point and missed, ma cher, point and missed.
As in certain types of pupic hair-do
Didn`t know you were Mayan, Jules
How do you do yours? Horizontal. like Hitler Wharrr
I admit it, I do spend way too much time dwelling on the pubic regions

Did I really just say that

[Mrs. Frank S.]

Now I have a few moments to comment on the current "Immigration" problem.

Illegal immigration (from down South) wasn't always a problem. It got it's start back in the 50's with the Bracero program. Thanks to the aftermath of WWII and the Korean War, there was a severe shortage of migrant farmworkers. The government started the Bracero program which is not much different than Bush's "guest worker" program. While successful on the one hand, thanks to loopholes in the law, farm wages dropped considerably. As a result, many of the former American migrant workers refused to work for such low wages. This in turn encouraged more workers to head North. The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (Reagan) and the later Amnesty granted by Clinton also encouraged the move north. I can't speak for Clinton's reform, but the earlier one only granted temporary resident status. It did however, allow those with temporary status to apply for permanent status.

I truly don't know what the entire answer should be to the current problem. Obviously, the border needs to be far more secure than it is. Deporting everyone that is here illegally is a logistics nightmare however, as far as I'm concerned, as they number in the millions. I don't believe in Amnesty either. Making it a felony or a misdemeanor creates yet another nightmare as it would fall to the States and Counties to provide room and board for any aliens...unless the feds are smart enough to help fund it. My home county (on the border) could be bankrupt quite rapidly if that were the case. Prior to 9/11, the jail back home was more than half full of illegals. The Border Patrol wouldn't take them and the government refused funds for upkeep. It was a bad situation. It could become worse.

Mexico is not likely to do anything as the money sent back to Mexico from the States is somewhere around 18 billion dollars. It's a rather nice boost to their economy and saves their government from having to make any real changes. They're not about to discourage the Northern migration when they have that kind of money coming in.

All in all, I agree with Longrifle and Paul that everyone should be subject to the same rules. My daughter-in-law (greencarder and Mexican) is in agreement. She had to get here the same way Paul did....the hard way.

Maybe someday, a good solution will happen, but I don't see anything viable being proposed so far.

Julie

[Mrs. Frank S.]

No No Harry, not Mayan.

They were Yacqui. My great grandmother was the last in the family to be born in one of the California Missions. They ended up with American citizenship after the Mexican-American War. They were Californios.

[harry hackedoff]

Farq me days
Did I ever touch the wrong nerve
Yaqui you say? related to the apache, arapaho?
A proud people who are on the way to recognition of their beliefs.
Beyond taking the piss, I meant you no offence Jules and I am sorry if that was what came across to you.
I meant you no disrespect

[Frank S.]

Farq me days
Did I ever touch the wrong nerve
Yaqui you say? related to the apache, arapaho?
A proud people who are on the way to recognition of their beliefs.
Beyond taking the piss, I meant you no offence Jules and I am sorry if that was what came across to you.
I meant you no disrespect

I'm sure she took no offense, after all she puts up with me and I am offensive in more ways than one...

I really don't care for Mexican food or culture in general.

My 2 centavos on the issue... I was watching the march in front of my building yesterday (30.000 people), thinking "wow, that's a lot of pawns..."
Beyond that, I can't be arsed: I've given up on a lot of things...

[harry hackedoff]

Yes, I see your point Mon Ami.....
but what about the pubic hairstyles?

Which do you favour? Mehico or Brazilian

[Mrs. Frank S.]

Relax Harry, it's fine. If I were really upset, I would have used the after my post.

I just couldn't resist taking the piss. I must admit that being of mixed blood the current climate can be a bit unnerving (I consider myself strictly American). I worry sometimes though, that the rest of my family could get caught up in some of the backlash. My brother and I are the only ones born with red hair and freckles. The rest of the family (next generation) looks Mexican and indeed, the amount of Mex blood goes up with each succeeding generation. Like me, they don't consider themselves Mexican. It's merely a part of our heritage.

I will admit a love of REAL Mexican food...not that crap that get's passed off as the real thing.

Julie

[Frank S.]

Yes, I see your point Mon Ami.....
but what about the pubic hairstyles?

Which do you favour? Mehico or Brazilian

Mehico, man... Mehico.

[Wholley]

Well.
I'll raise another point which is pertinent here.
Drug dealing.
North Carolina is one of the seven states that have the largest illegall populations in the U.S.
I know from my job that our jail and the city lock-up inmate population are probably as high as 75% Illegall and mostly Mexican.
They have recourse to an attorney(Pro Bono)So guess who pays?
We can't turn them over to the Border Patrol as they are so undermanned they just can't send an officer up here.If he or she were a fugitive from another state then generally the various PD's or SO's get together for transport across state lines.Not so with illegalls,They just get fined and turned loose(Not that they ever pay the fine as they have a bogus Uaddress and a false SSN)
That keeps the warrant squad in business(My old pard's)But just keeps our taxes higher than they need be ifen we didn't have this problem.
Even when we find a serious illegall criminal and he gets sent to a Federal prison,Guess who pays again?
All this crap about 11 million illegalls paying taxes and supporting the U.S.Economy is just that.CRAP.As they are here illegally how do they pay taxes?
Just as an endnote the Border Patrol are now Homeland Security too.