So You Think You Are Commando's

[Tab]

The Ist Battalion Of the Rifles have just had a bit of shock, they were told they where being attached to the Commandos, but as far the Commandos are concerned all they are going to used for is guard duties.
See full report
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... army10.xml

[Josh]

Something just doesn't sit right with that. The article doesn't make it clear whether they are being attached as an anphibious line battlion or a fully fledged army commando unit? It is understandable that they will not be able to participate in all roles if not commando trained, however to place them in a force protection role that any of the brigades support units (or the support units of any brigade for that matter) can carry off in just insulting to professional infantrymen. Also I thought 29 was the first army commando unit since WW2, not forgetting 59(24) and 22 etc. All this the army doesn't have men of that caliber sounds a bit like journo sabre rattling to me, but what do I know.

More importantly if this were to happen then 1 Rifles sign off/transferre rate would shoot through the roof and there wouldn't be a battion left to do anything with.

[Tom_running16]

When do the Rifles actually come into active service? I heard 2007 but I'm not sure to be honest. And would their Commando course be exactly the same as the RM's? Im all a bit hazy on this kind of stuff.

Cheers.

[Artist]

Why the Hell should a Battalion of County Regt Soldiers have any right to call themselves Commandos?????

Pissed off with this sort of total crap that Arsewipe Jackson, General of the Army keeps forcing down the thoats of the Royal Marines.

Commandos are an Elite force and this bunch certainly ain't! I can see the standards dropping like falling plates once this bunch of Gentlemen get an abrievated Commando Course and dare to wear the GREEN LID.

Are this lot going to do 32 weeks of training at CTCRM? Are they Bollox!! 6 weeks at some Army Camp trained by blokes who ain't got a clue about the Commando Spirit and what it means to a Real Commando. Result? A devalued Green Lid and the general lowering of standards set over 60 odd years of Commando Forces training!

I have never had any problems with the Army Guys such as the Gunners and the RE's wearing the Green Lid. They wore it with pride and earned it at CTCRM and I will lay evens are as disgusted with this crap as I and a lot of other REAL Commandos are.

Really pissed off with this feed of total shite!!!

Warning: If you don't like what I have written then tough farking shit!!!

Artist

[Tab]

Artist .....I agree with you one hundred percent....I always think it is a piss take for these people come along and adopt your beret and badges along with your title that has been so hard to win. If they want to do this sort work under your name then why not do the full military Commando course, if they can't do this then let serve in what ever capacity they can under their own name.

[Artist]

Cheers for that Tab.

I know you mean it as well. It must get right up the noses of the lads who have earned their Maroon Lid to see some for want of a better word some Craphat PRONG wearing the Maroon Lid with Negative wings in the Airborne Bde.

Really farking annoyed me this has! One of the units is the Devon and Dorsets!!! Used to beat them hands down even as a Royal Marine Recruit whenever we came up against them. Frankly their soldiering skills were to put it mildly not very good.

As far as I am concerned they just do not have the correct mindset to be Commandos. APC's rule for them don't they?

Artist

[Josh]

I'm not trying to argue with either Tab or Artist, you are both right. However I thought the point of that article is that they won't be commandos, Just attached to the brigade and used to cover all the shite jobs/tours? Hence my commet about them all signing off. There is a line battalion in Air Assault they are not para trained and don't wear a maroon lid, they do however do a bit more than just stag on.

There was something a while back stating that 1 Rifles were going commando, as in being put through the CTC and doing the full cdo course. The article Tab linked to suggests this isn't going to happen because the Marines don't have the capacity or space to train a battalion of 600 men. Surly if this had been planned properly they could have been trickling them through for some time ready to form up went needed

I don't know , just looks like more government cost cutting to me, combind with a knee-jerk reaction.

Why can't the Marines just recruit more men?

[Tab]

One of the problems is that the Government has found it needs more top specialist troops. Now I know that the Ordinary Infantry are going to scream foul, but rather than let the Commandos build up their units, the government is going for the quick fix solution of grafting another unit on to the Commando's. Now before you all say I don't know what I am talking about I have served both in the ordinary Infantry before going over to the Para's so I have seen the difference in training at first hand. The self thing applies to the Commando's, you have to work to achieve the grade and go through that pain barrier that makes many people throw the towel in. If read the report carefully you would see that both the Officers and men from the Rifles were looking forward to being re-designated as commandos, and were upset that this was not going to happen. They all seem to want the kudos but not the hard work.

[m-a-s-s-e-y]

Why the Hell should a Battalion of County Regt Soldiers have any right to call themselves Commandos?????

Pissed off with this sort of total crap that Arsewipe Jackson, General of the Army keeps forcing down the thoats of the Royal Marines.

Commandos are an Elite force and this bunch certainly ain't! I can see the standards dropping like falling plates once this bunch of Gentlemen get an abrievated Commando Course and dare to wear the GREEN LID.

Are this lot going to do 32 weeks of training at CTCRM? Are they Bollox!! 6 weeks at some Army Camp trained by blokes who ain't got a clue about the Commando Spirit and what it means to a Real Commando. Result? A devalued Green Lid and the general lowering of standards set over 60 odd years of Commando Forces training!

I have never had any problems with the Army Guys such as the Gunners and the RE's wearing the Green Lid. They wore it with pride and earned it at CTCRM and I will lay evens are as disgusted with this crap as I and a lot of other REAL Commandos are.




Artist

to be honest mate after a tour of Al Amarah Iraq which I saw more than my than my fair share of action I think what you've put is well below the belt, IF you knew anything about the current situation in Iraq other than what you've read in the papers or on this i.e you've been there-you would know that the regiments running the show out there are the armoured infantry battalions i.e the PWRR,1STAFFORDS,1BW and was the 1RRW who have all have had tough tours, To say that our soldering abilitys arn't as good as the Marines is an insult.

Im not going to be imature enough to insult the RM beacuse I respect the job they do but remember this the county regt lads proberly don't want to become part of the marines setup anyless than you don't want them in.


I don't blame you for being proud to of been a Royal Marine because any man would be but think first before you slate the county regiments.

[Artist]

Massey

As I've said before and not on this thread either.

Each to their own Every member of the armed forces are trained to do what they are good at and as far as I am aware the County Regiments are Mechanised.

So they ain't got the same mindset as a fully trained Royal Marine has. We couldn't care less where we went and how we got there we just did it with a minimum of fuss. After witnessing the POW's in Norway one year I was frankly amazed at their lacklustre attitude towards things that to all Bootnecks were commen practice.

As in Sking long distances pulling a gurt big Pulk. Erecting Tent Sheets. Being messed about 24/7 by last minute changes in orders. All they did was moan and then start going sick.

I'm not saying that they can't fight. I'm saying they have a different approach to how stuff is done. And thats down to training as far as I'm concerned.

And just what the flying fark has Iraq got to do with it anyway!?!?!?! I've never been there as I left 16 years ago. But I've seen action and I've still got the scars to prove it so you can lay that feed of shite to rest ASAP!!

Artist

[m-a-s-s-e-y]

No County regiments are either light role,mec or Amoured. So we all have diffrent mindsets,we specialise in warrior but can do the light role job just as well.

My point is about Iraq is that county regiments have proved themselves time and time again out there. You left sixteen years ago its unfair of you to compare us now to what you know from then.

I hope they do let the RIFLES become a commando unit as I think it would be very intresting to see how they do my gut instict is they'd a good job.

Like I said before I respect the Marines but don't expect me to sit back here while you slate us for not having done commando tests.

[Tab]

Should they then just be appointed Commandos, and if so what about the commandos who have put in so much work just hold that title, what are saying to them. You might as well say don't bother all that hard works counts for nothing.

[Artist]

No County regiments are either light role,mec or Amoured. So we all have diffrent mindsets,we specialise in warrior but can do the light role job just as well.

My point is about Iraq is that county regiments have proved themselves time and time again out there. You left sixteen years ago its unfair of you to compare us now to what you know from then.

I hope they do let the RIFLES become a commando unit as I think it would be very intresting to see how they do my gut instict is they'd a good job.

Like I said before I respect the Marines but don't expect me to sit back here while you slate us for not having done commando tests.

For Farks sake! I ain't slating anybody save that arsewipe Jackson and this shite Government who seem determined to fark up the entire set up of the armed forces all in the cause of saving money. Go though my posts over time and you will see that I have never engaged in Capbadge rivalry. In point of fact I've defended the people who do the jobs they are trained for. So wind your neck in MASSEY!

Artist

[Greenronnie]

I think that the main point being brought up here is that most infantry Regiments are well up to the job and are well capable. However there is a difference between the motivation and fitness levels of the average infantry soldier and a Marine or Paratrooper.

[m-a-s-s-e-y]

I think that the main point being brought up here is that most infantry Regiments are well up to the job and are well capable. However there is a difference between the motivation and fitness levels of the average infantry soldier and a Marine or Paratrooper.

Agreed,The best capbadge is the one you wear at the end of the day..nuff said.