...catches bin Laden first? I heard this question raised on a news program over here last week. If the US captures bin Laden first, considering he's even alive, the death penalty will surely be imposed. But if the UK captures him, will the UK hand him over to the US forces knowing that he will be killed?
And are President Bush's words that he doesn't care whether Osama bin Laden is captured dead or alive, the right thing to say openly at this moment? Surely Bush should want him to face a trial.
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What happens if the UK.....
Are you sure Bush would want him alive, so that his comrades can demand his release and threaten to fly more aircraft into buildings or whatever else they feel like doing?
And if Bush did put him on trial then bin Laden would simply use the trail as an oppurtunity to attack the west and try to die a martyr.
Having bin Laden shot in Afganistan would be a lot simpler for Bush than having to go through or full trial.
And if Bush did put him on trial then bin Laden would simply use the trail as an oppurtunity to attack the west and try to die a martyr.
Having bin Laden shot in Afganistan would be a lot simpler for Bush than having to go through or full trial.
Yes, I agree that he should not leave afghan alive. Bush is a man who says what he thinks, but maybe he should take care what he says in these circumstances, the last thing he wants to do at the moment is cause more people to join bin Laden's cause. I'm sure he could go through quiter channels to asure that bin Laden does not leave afghan alive.
-Steve C
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I say he disappears the way he is doing right now in Afaganistan. We capture him and he never sees the world again. We dont tell anyone where he is and he dies in jail. People dont know where he is right now then WE the west can make that a full-time arrangement.We denie anything and people will think he still is on the run.
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This was proposed in the Military.com forums. I loved it, and I have to agree. Seeing what Bin Laden has done, death nor life imprisonment would be punishing him enough. So what it was, is that we capture Bin Laden, and give him a sex change. They just love to oppress their women, so why not? And shave off his beard. It's against his religion to shave it off, but I think it's justified. You probably won't agree, but I like the thought anyway. 
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Will be interesting if we openly catch "Bin-Laden " before the Americans.
No doubt he will receive the death penalty in America if they capture him first.
As we are now recognise Human Rights in this country theoretically we can nor hand over Bin Laden to the Americans knowing htat there is a high possibility of him being executed.
No doubt he will receive the death penalty in America if they capture him first.
As we are now recognise Human Rights in this country theoretically we can nor hand over Bin Laden to the Americans knowing htat there is a high possibility of him being executed.
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I realize this is a very old thread, but...
The fact is that Bush is not remotely interested in catching Bin Laden (therefore, neither is Blair) as it would ultimately prove disaterous for him and his government. The reason for this is that the Bush family have very close historical business ties with the Bin Laden Family who are close advisers to the Saudi Royal family. Bin Laden's older brother and brother-in-law both have given money to underwrite Bush family oil business ventures (among other things). In fact, on the day of 9/11, Bush Sr. was in a "secret" meeting with Osama's older brother in a hotel just a few miles from the Pentagon, where the third plane crashed.
When the air travel calmp-down occurred immediately after the 9/11 attacks, only three private planes were allowed to fly in US air space. All three of them were whisking Bin Laden Family members (many of whom were residing in Houston, Texas) out of the country. Not one of them were questioned about possible involvement in the attacks or links to the Al Quaida. In fact, the FBI was told emphatically that they were not allowed to ask any questions on the matter at all.
Bush and his cronies are a bunch of self-serving bastards (to put it bluntly). They have successfully hoodwinked (and in the process screwed) the unsuspecting American public, playing upon the average American's very proper sense of national pride, to further their personal political and financial goals.
The invasion of Iraq is a farce, if for no other reasons than there really are no weapons of mass distruction, and the links to Al Quaida are, at best, tenuous. If Bush really cared about terrorism, he would go after Suadi Arabia, not Iraq. While the regime of Sadam Hussein was horrible, especially the things he did to his own people (not to mention the Kurds), the U.S. had no basis for the attack. That Britain and others got involved is just terrible, in my mind. Blair is a Bush puppet and nothing more.
I don't mean to sound like a conspiracy theorist. Most of them are just wackoes, after all. But the fact is, this story is true! It is well documented as well, so don't take my word for it. Read up on it for yourself.
The sadest part is that ther are young American, British, and Canadian solders being killed every day in Iraq and Afghanistan because of these crooked leaders. It's bloody shameful!
Consider this: In the early 1980's Osama Bin Laden was payrolled to lead Aghanis against the Russians in a guerrilla campaign, and did so with U.S. approval. In fact it was in the U.S.'s best interest to see Russia have it's own "Vietnam". Once the Russians pulled out of A'stan, Osama turned his sights in the U.S., yet he continued to be payrolled by Saudi. You think the CIA and the President didn't know this? Who was Dircetor of the CIA at the time? Hmmm, let me see...
The American intelligence community, including the CIA, FBI, and the NSA, had enough collective intel to avert 9/11. They did not.
Osama Bin Laden will remain at large for so long as it is prudent for him to be so in the minds of those people for whom such a state of affairs is convenient. The relationship triangle between the Saudi Royal family, the Bin Laden family, and the Bush family currently precludes Osama's capture. Were it otherwise the case, he would have been aprehended or killed long ago. To believe otherwise is to fundamentally delude one's self.
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When the air travel calmp-down occurred immediately after the 9/11 attacks, only three private planes were allowed to fly in US air space. All three of them were whisking Bin Laden Family members (many of whom were residing in Houston, Texas) out of the country. Not one of them were questioned about possible involvement in the attacks or links to the Al Quaida. In fact, the FBI was told emphatically that they were not allowed to ask any questions on the matter at all.
Bush and his cronies are a bunch of self-serving bastards (to put it bluntly). They have successfully hoodwinked (and in the process screwed) the unsuspecting American public, playing upon the average American's very proper sense of national pride, to further their personal political and financial goals.
The invasion of Iraq is a farce, if for no other reasons than there really are no weapons of mass distruction, and the links to Al Quaida are, at best, tenuous. If Bush really cared about terrorism, he would go after Suadi Arabia, not Iraq. While the regime of Sadam Hussein was horrible, especially the things he did to his own people (not to mention the Kurds), the U.S. had no basis for the attack. That Britain and others got involved is just terrible, in my mind. Blair is a Bush puppet and nothing more.
I don't mean to sound like a conspiracy theorist. Most of them are just wackoes, after all. But the fact is, this story is true! It is well documented as well, so don't take my word for it. Read up on it for yourself.
The sadest part is that ther are young American, British, and Canadian solders being killed every day in Iraq and Afghanistan because of these crooked leaders. It's bloody shameful!
Consider this: In the early 1980's Osama Bin Laden was payrolled to lead Aghanis against the Russians in a guerrilla campaign, and did so with U.S. approval. In fact it was in the U.S.'s best interest to see Russia have it's own "Vietnam". Once the Russians pulled out of A'stan, Osama turned his sights in the U.S., yet he continued to be payrolled by Saudi. You think the CIA and the President didn't know this? Who was Dircetor of the CIA at the time? Hmmm, let me see...
The American intelligence community, including the CIA, FBI, and the NSA, had enough collective intel to avert 9/11. They did not.
Osama Bin Laden will remain at large for so long as it is prudent for him to be so in the minds of those people for whom such a state of affairs is convenient. The relationship triangle between the Saudi Royal family, the Bin Laden family, and the Bush family currently precludes Osama's capture. Were it otherwise the case, he would have been aprehended or killed long ago. To believe otherwise is to fundamentally delude one's self.
A-S
What if the UK catches Bin Laden?
Yorkie Malone,
Remember Mohammed Farah(?) Aidid, the Somalian rent-a-bogeyman of the day in the early '90's? One of his wives was on the dole in Toronto while Canadian paratroopers were risking their lives disbanding Aidid's miltias
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Anglo-Saxon,
I think a certain Sandhurst War Studies Dept lecturer said it right when he said "Bush will attack Iraq simply because Saddam tried to kill his daddy."
WMD's had very little to do with it and it was disappointing to see the honourable old soldier Colin Powell embarrased at the UN after his presentation a year ago.
Remember the tape recording of that Iraqi Brigadier who spoke to the Colnel in the clear
about hiding WMD's?
What about those deadly drones which flew in endless circles to cloak their range?
Then there was Tony Blair's "45 minutes" quip.
Russia's political systems will come and go, but they want the Persian Gulf for themselves, according to syndicated columnist Eric Margolis, the Vietnam veteran who corresponded from the scene of Cold War proxy battles in Angola and Afghanistan.
Sadly, in socialist democracies like Britain and Canada, this idea is not all that far-fetched.I would have thought it obvious where he is. Drawing his dole money in either Luton or Bradford etc.
Remember Mohammed Farah(?) Aidid, the Somalian rent-a-bogeyman of the day in the early '90's? One of his wives was on the dole in Toronto while Canadian paratroopers were risking their lives disbanding Aidid's miltias
.Anglo-Saxon,
I think a certain Sandhurst War Studies Dept lecturer said it right when he said "Bush will attack Iraq simply because Saddam tried to kill his daddy."
WMD's had very little to do with it and it was disappointing to see the honourable old soldier Colin Powell embarrased at the UN after his presentation a year ago.
Remember the tape recording of that Iraqi Brigadier who spoke to the Colnel in the clear
about hiding WMD's? What about those deadly drones which flew in endless circles to cloak their range?
Then there was Tony Blair's "45 minutes" quip.
If Weimar Russia spends its Clinton dollars wisely and again grows belligerent, the US would likely call a very quick truce with today's enemies, and put them to use against the Russians.Consider this: In the early 1980's Osama Bin Laden was payrolled to lead Aghanis against the Russians in a guerrilla campaign, and did so with U.S. approval. In fact it was in the U.S.'s best interest to see Russia have it's own "Vietnam".
Russia's political systems will come and go, but they want the Persian Gulf for themselves, according to syndicated columnist Eric Margolis, the Vietnam veteran who corresponded from the scene of Cold War proxy battles in Angola and Afghanistan.
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