looks like a floating spaceship...

[okeeffemarc]

Looks like a floating spaceship...
..Don't you agree?




May i introduce you all to the new Type 45 Destroyer coming out in 3 years, i can't wait!


The Type 45's primary role is anti air warfare. Ships and carriers, and the auxiliaries and merchant ships that support them, need protection against air, surface and subsurface threats, and the combat system to be deployed in the Type 45 is designed to counter the full range of anti-ship missiles and aircraft. However, as with all destroyers and frigates, Type 45 will be a multi-role, general-purpose platform capable of a spectrum of tasks from peace support and defence diplomacy through to high-intensity warfare





cool huh?

The main design features now established are:
Displacement: c. 7,350 tonnes (deep delivery), c. 5800 tonnes (light delivery)
Length: 152.4m
Max Beam: 21.2m
Speed: 29 knots
Range: 7000 nautical miles at 18 knots
Complement: approx. 190, space for 230, providing significantly better accommodation standards than before
Equipment selected includes:
The Principal Anti Air Missile System (PAAMS), with the BAE SYSTEMS SAMPSON Multi-Functional Radar (MFR) (for surveillance and fire control) and the Signaal/Marconi S1850M Long Range Radar (LRR) for air/surface search.
SYLVER launcher and combination of up to 48 Aster15 and Aster30 missiles.
Other weapons systems include:
STINGRAY Torpedoes - helicopter-launched; 4.5" Mk 8 Medium Calibre Gun system; Surface Ship Torpedo Defence system.

Helicopter: 1 Westland Lynx HMA 3/8 or 1 Merlin EH101 HAS



now if you ask me, thats cool!

[strongbow]

I think the first ship will be called HMS Daring. Anyone got any other names for the next batch? (I think Dragon, Decoy, Dover and Dreadnought are on the table but I'm not sure)

[Aldo]

Aye it's a nice looking boat. Current tests show the anti air missle system is very effective, and BAe systems has announced that they expect the MoD to be ordering 10 out of a possible 12 (as apposed to the 8 previously thought) Personnely though I'm looking forward to the CVF and FSC.

The names of the current ships under order are :-

HMS Daring
HMS Dauntless
HMS Diamond
HMS Duncan
HMS Dragon
HMS Defender

I wouldn't want to call a ship decoy, tempting fait a bit to much for my likeing

[adj125]

http://www.type45.com/frames_ie.html

http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/1973.html

[rabby]

I've already seen it.

She still has lots of scafolding around her deck as all the masts and basically everything above deck level is still to be built. Out the water she looks a Goliath but in terms of navy boat size she is pretty small, never realised just how big they were.

[Wholley]

29 Knots is not very fast for a Destroyer.
Also it's a Ship,not a boat.Boats are what Ships launch.
Looks somewhat similar to the current Tigonderoga Class Missile Cruiser
in use by the US Navy.
Wholley.

[Jason The Argonaut]

Well what do you think of this one then.


[img]http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/data/[(0947)-02-05-2003]fsc1.jpg[/img]


The Future Surface Combatant

The Future Surface Combatant (FSC) is the Royal Navy’s plan to look at designing a future warship that will eventually replace the Type 22 and Type 23 Frigates when they come to the end of their operational working lives. The FSC, which is still in its conceptual design stage, will be versatile, affordable and will be a maritime platform that can be deployed through life across the spectrum of defence missions, ranging from peace support to high intensity warfare.

The two major new developments to come with the FSC are the possible incorporation of a trimaran hull and the implementation of electric motors to power the ship.

A trimaran (three-hulled) ship would be a high profile, revolutionary design that would offer the benefits of being more stable in rougher sea states, more efficient in the water (less drag) and give more deck space to install weapons systems and allow more area for landing helicopters on the flight deck. As well as being more comfortable for the crew operating the FSC, greater stability allows communications equipment to be stored higher in the ship, which would improve the performance of the transmitters and receivers.

The other alternative is a monohull based around the existing Type 45 hull. There would be significant financial savings by converting this current design for the FSC.

The other major technological breakthrough the Royal Navy could benefit from is the use of Electric Propulsion motors. Defence Procurement Minister Baroness Symons said: "The introduction of electric ship propulsion may be as significant as the change from sail to steam. It could mean the warships and submarines of the future would be more effective, would be better places for their crews to live and work on, and would be built and operated at a lower cost to the taxpayer. The work now underway will place the Royal Navy and the French Navy at the forefront of this exciting technological development.

[Wholley]

Jason,
Picture did not emerge.
Is it just me,
or are other members having the same prob?
Wholley.

[rabby]

Wholey, I can see the pic fine, looks quite a nice boat too.
Though the way things are going I doubt the Navy will ever get any new ships for about 50 years.

[Aldo]

Also it's a Ship,not a boat.Boats are what Ships launch.

Can't get much past you

The BAe concept sub looks pretty interesting, no details on it though

[AdamR]

I thought in the days of olde a ship was a vessel with three or more masts, a boat was anything smaller. So I suppose you could call all modern vessels 'boats', hehe.

[strongbow]

I saw the small trimaran prototype when I was down at Portsmouth a while back. The RV Triton was believed to be more stable, with more offensive and defensive options. Would certainly be a change of pace from the similar shaped ships that we have at the moment.

[voodoo sprout]

The Type 45 is certainly very interesting, assuming the government doesn't decide we only actually need one of them around and another to be used for spare parts... .

But to be honest I can't see the FSC coming along any time soon, if nothing else it seems to have limited strategic value over the current type 22/23's although people with first hand experience might say otherwise. For the forseeable future the key roles for main Royal Navy ships will be either escort duties for assorted task forces against weak opponents, or the usual counter narcotics patrolling or supporting small scale deployments such as Siera Leone or Afghanistan. As far as I can see, in these cases the main requirements are to be able to transport boarding teams and helicopter suport etc, and to be able to point a big blimmin' gun in someones direction to encourage them to do as they're told, or perhaps to provide limited fire support for ground operations where air support is unavailable or impractical.

In these cases the Type 22/23's can fulfill those roles, while similar amounts of money could be used to much more effect elsewhere, such as maintaining enough infantry to pretend we can cope with current demands, let alone new ones. Or alternatively ensuring sufficient supplies and logistical support is available so that if we do have to deploy again the forces can reliably sustain themselves. In anything but the short term we do obviously need both, but until the government gives in to necessity we do have more important priorities.

[Aldo]

BAe recons the MoD will order 10 out of the potential 12. So we should get a pretty good force. The main downside though is the lack of any ability to launch TLAMs. In my opinion we need some Cruise Missiles destroyers, these are the weapons that are going to be playing the major roles in battle in the future. Hopefully (but doubtfully) the FSC may carry a few.

The Trimarean hull design looks pretty good to me. It'll give the frigates an increased ability to carry missiles, torpedo carrying helos and a few other things. Can someone tell me if they're going to have any sort of AA defence like sea wolf or PAAMs?

[okeeffemarc]

BAe recons the MoD will order 10 out of the potential 12. So we should get a pretty good force. The main downside though is the lack of any ability to launch TLAMs. In my opinion we need some Cruise Missiles destroyers, these are the weapons that are going to be playing the major roles in battle in the future. Hopefully (but doubtfully) the FSC may carry a few.

The Trimarean hull design looks pretty good to me. It'll give the frigates an increased ability to carry missiles, torpedo carrying helos and a few other things. Can someone tell me if they're going to have any sort of AA defence like sea wolf or PAAMs?

We are only getting 5 of them by the looks of it