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Hello,

I have a few questions on the part time reserve forces. If you can answer any questions it would be very appreciated. I am currently thinking of joining the TA while at college, and also thinking of joining either the TA, RMR or UOTC at the university of birmingham while studying sports science. I am going for joining as an officer in the Royal Marines.

1. I heard that in the RMR, after you have won the green beret you will have to serve another 3 years?? If this is true I think I would rather go UOTC. RMR already sounds like it dont mix with university (deadlines), without having to serve extra time after a degree. If this is so, could you request to have a POC from the RMR?? I would like to go straight onto POC after university.

2. What is the UOTC like, I have heard mostly negative feedback from it but it still sounds good on the website though :lol:. You get a leadership qualification, and 3 years experience as an officer. You also get paid and all the camps are structured around the term dates. This sounds great to say that you have done that on your AIB. Obviously though, the RMR sounds like the better choice if you can cope with all the training weekends and courses.

3. Is the TA worth having a go at while I am at college?? It doesnt look to hectic with the training days, as the RMR. Can you choose when you do the 2 week annual camp??

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Hi Mitch.

I'm pretty sure you don't have to serve three years service after earning your green beret with the RMR, I think you may be liable to be called up however in the event of an emergency for three years.
As for RMR not mixing with college deadlines - it would be very difficult managing your time thats for sure, but there are loads of lads in my troop who manage this quite well. If you are serious about becoming an officer then obviously the RMR will be of most benefit to you, proving you have the commitment, determination and exellent time management skills to become an officer. Bearing in mind the intense competion to become an officer I would want to give my self the best chance of succeeding.

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If this is so, could you request to have a POC from the RMR?? I would like to go straight onto POC after university.

2. What is the UOTC like, I have heard mostly negative feedback from it but it still sounds good on the website though :lol:. You get a leadership qualification, and 3 years experience as an officer. You also get paid and all the camps are structured around the term dates. This sounds great to say that you have done that on your AIB. Obviously though, the RMR sounds like the better choice if you can cope with all the training weekends and courses.

3. Is the TA worth having a go at while I am at college?? It doesnt look to hectic with the training days, as the RMR. Can you choose when you do the 2 week annual camp??

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I know you can go from RMR into the next YO batch without having to 'serve your time' in the RMR, like a transfer.

And if your choosing between TA and RMR, no matter what people might say, the UOTC IS a branch of the TA.

I got pretty drawn in by the UOTC website! But I spoke to a couple of lads and it sounds like just a laugh rather than a serious business.

Heres a guys view on the UOTC that I read a while back (dont know if you can be arsed to read it but it made me laugh and put me right off the UOTC!)...

You want to stag on at 0300 in the snow? As a career? Good grief, how very odd. Still, best of luck to you. Can't imagine the prospects are anything special.

Actually, if you're in my glorious OTC, it doesn't cross your mind. Because you're normally sitting bolt upright on your roll mat. And you've lit a couple of hexy blocks to keep you warm, while you check your texts on your mobile. If you're both chicks, the other one's got her head in your lap while you braid her hair. Your own hair hasn't seen the light of day for a week now; it's buried under eleven purple and orange beanies, so that your helmet is perched a good six inches above your skull, and the chinstrap has to be extended with brightly coloured twine to keep it on your bonce. Your stag partner hasn't seen her gat for a good half an hour; it's 'somewhere over there on the floor'. You've given up trying to attach a CWS to the other weapon, and it's hanging from a tree branch.

Suddenly, you hear a snapping of twigs in the undergrowth. You chuck a flaming hexy block to see if it moves. Then you use the CWS. But whatever it was doesn't make a sound even after you've chucked that at it.

"Rachel" you whisper urgently
"What is it, Kate, I was literally just dropping off."
"There's something out there."
"Have you carried out the IA drill?"
"Yes, I've thrown hexy at it and giggled coquettishly. No dice."
"Damn. We should really get low."
"Good point. Bit cold though."
"You're right. Let's stand up"

So you stand. Your faces glow pinkly under the soft moonlight, as you have refused every effort to get you into cam cream since day one, given the 'really really really really bad' effect it has on your skin.

The unseen intruder moves again.

You both jump. Your left ammo pouch falls off.

"God. We should, like shoot it." exclaims your oppo.
"Have you got your gun with you?"
"No. It was bit heavy and the metal bits were all cold, so I left it by my tent thingy. It's gone all orange though, and the telescope thing on top has stuck to my mess tins"
"Go and get it. That RSM guy said we should have them all the time"

Panting, your oppo trots off into the darkness. She gets four yards before the comms string catches her under the chin and puts her on the floor like she's been clotheslined by Stone Cold Steve Austin.

"What the hell was that?!" she groans
"You silly," you reply, "it's that string the boys put up so that we could hang our 'ladies things' out to dry. Never mind about your gun, we'll use mine. Here, help me lift it..."

With tremendous effort, you and your stag partner prise your weapon off the forest floor. As you recover, hands on hips, your stag partner eyes it dubiously, covered in mud and home to a family of woodlice. She picks up a twig and sticks it through the triggerguard, lifting it up to pass to yo.....

BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG-Click!!!!

"God, Rachel, be careful," you cry - "someone might hear us!"
"Sorry" she sniffs, miserably.
"Oh God, it's all empty now. I need more bullets. Don't know where my bullet pouch has gone actually...have you got a magazine on you?"
Smiling hopefully, Rachel proffers the copy of Cosmo she'd been reading by the light of a right angle torch....

"No", you giggle, "not that kind of magazine! I meant the metal kind - y'know, the rectangular thing that fits in this bit"
"Oh!" cries Rachel "I thought you meant tha....teeheheheheee!"
"Teeheeheeeheehee" you gurgle happily.
"Teeheeheeeheeehee", says Rachel
You say "Teeheeheeheee, no, I meant th...teeheehheeehee"

You clutch eachother tight, bodies shaking with mirth, for a good fifteen minutes, giggling excitedly for all you're worth.

Finally, you calm down.
"No, but seriously, Rach, have you got a magazine, the metal kind?"
"Yup" says Rachel proudly, rummaging in her utility pouch and producing a folded up hexy stove "here y'are"

Paralysed by your own doubts this time, you try and insert the stove into the magazine housing. Only after the stove has been reduced to a twisted piece of metal are you convinced. You round furiously on your oppo.
"No! This isn't one either! Look, just give me anything rectangular that looks like it might fit, that you've got in your stuff"

After having tried to insert the small mess tin, a Silva compass, pencil flare holder and various different Estee Lauder products into your weapon, you finally find a magazine. Just as you are about to slam it home, the 'thing' in the bushes moves again....

You clutch eachother. And jump. Your waterbottle pouch falls off.

"God, Rach, I am like, really, really scared now. I'm just gonna shoot this thing"
"Wait! We're supposed to talk to it first, aren't we?"
"What?"
"Don't you remember, that talk, that those men gave - the one from the Princess of Wales and her...Royal Riflemen...Regiment, and the other one from that one that all wear Green jackets, or something - he was soooo dreamy, wasn't he? - he said you have to talk to it. And then shoot it"
"Kay, you talk to it, and then as soon as you're finished, I'll shoot it."
"Kay," replies Rachel, happily. "Here we go."

She takes a deep breath....

"Hellowhoeveryouaremynamesrachelandthisismyfriendkateandwearewonderingwhatyouredoingherenowasweresupposednottoletanyoneinherebutifyou'djustliketocomeoutandseeuswecansortitalloutokayi'mfinishednowkateyoucanshoothim." BANG! BANG! Click - the rifle, held together by rust and friendship bracelets, finally gives up the ghost as the TMH detaches and joins most of your webbing on the floor.

All is suddenly a cacophany of noise and cordite. Automatic fire rips through the air, flashes dance before your eyes like angry dragons. Deep within your memory of MTQ1 a phrase flashes into your brain and you summon all your energies as you cry....

"STAND UP! STAND UUUUP! EVERYONE STAND UUUP! COME ON GUYS, STAND UP, WE'RE BEING ATTACKED!"

All over the harbour area confused OCdts burst into action. There is a flurry of activity as they reach for the bottom of their maggots to retrieve their trousers, norgies, t-shirts, combat jackets, and socks, and furiously, get dressed. Slickly, helmets are retrieved from the tree branches they were hung off, ready for action the night before, bergens are expertly and speedily packed with the stuff from cooking that got left out yesterday because it was still a bit hot, and weapons are retrieved from mates-they-were-lent-to-because-his-was-a-bit-dirty-and-he-had-to-go-and-meet-the-CO-to-explain-why-he'd-been-doing-naked-pull-ups-in-the-bar-the-night-before. A lighting thirteen minutes later, with the platoon in various states of undress, speculative well aimed bursts of thirty rounds are let off in various directions, a couple by OCdts who've got lucky in the weapon raffle and have acquired two gats and who are doing a passable impression of 50 Cent smoking a few mo'fos. A few OCdts throw smoke grenades into the melee, because, hell, they probably won't get another chance, and they're cool. Besides, the borderline asthmatic in 2 Section's a bit of a penis, and who cares if he's coughing up orange carcinogens for the next three days...

In the midst of the calamity, no-one notices the GOC emerge shakily from the bush he'd been crouched behind right in front of you. The firepower demonstration in the harbour area behind your stag position is going as strong as ever, except now the Pl Comd's basha is on fire, and with a few OCdts leaping round the flames wearing nothing but a headover and thermal long johns, it's all getting a bit Lord of the Flies....

As for you, you and Rachel are stood stock still, aghast as the elderly general climbs, shaken by a conflagration he last saw as a subaltern in '82, to his feet. In his head he repeats to himself, matra-like "OTCs are good for the army's wider image, OTCs are good for the army's wider image, OTCs are good for the army's wider image" He wants to know what the hell that was about. He wants to know why these two sorry apparitions have less than half a rifle between them. He wants to know why the fat asthmatic is now strapped to a tree in the middle of the harbour with bungees while the rest of the Pl stick the end of their rifles in the fire and prod him with red hot BFAs. He wants an explanation for the greatest display of military incompetence since Lord Raglan said to his runner "You see those guns down the end of the valley...?" He braces himself, and says.....

"Hello young ladies...so what do you two do at university?"
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That is hilarious Letsrole, where did you find that ?

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In my higjly drunken state thaqt was quite possibly the funniest thing i had ever read. When i sober up i have the feeling my impressions about that will be the same.

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1. I heard that in the RMR, after you have won the green beret you will have to serve another 3 years?? If this is true I think I would rather go UOTC. RMR already sounds like it dont mix with university (deadlines), without having to serve extra time after a degree. If this is so, could you request to have a POC from the RMR?? I would like to go straight onto POC after university.
When you sign on the line for any of the services you sign a 4 year contract which as a volunteer you can leave at any time of your choosing. If you do leave and are not in the recruit stages but have gained the Green Lid to become fully trained you can still be called up in times of emegency for 3 years after you leave. This ruling applys to anyone of the services and regular arms.

You can request to go officer from RMR recruit training (subject to being accepted for POC/ YO batch) or even get a commision in the RMR after getting your lid. I have known several lads get there lid in the RMR, do the officer conversion and go on to a regular YO batch. This takes them straight into a full regular service.
2. What is the UOTC like, I have heard mostly negative feedback from it but it still sounds good on the website though :lol:. You get a leadership qualification, and 3 years experience as an officer. You also get paid and all the camps are structured around the term dates. This sounds great to say that you have done that on your AIB. Obviously though, the RMR sounds like the better choice if you can cope with all the training weekends and courses.
From my dealings and assisting some training of UOTC it seems to be quite a bit of an easy ride and just doing sports and what i'd say as camping exercises (but just my opinion of short dealings with them).
3. Is the TA worth having a go at while I am at college?? It doesnt look to hectic with the training days, as the RMR. Can you choose when you do the 2 week annual camp??
When it comes to annual training camps (TA or RMR) it is not as easy as choosing what ones you attend during training. Depending on what unit you join will depend on how they operate there training intake.

RMR Scotland do their intake and train the recruits at a set rate. This means if you can't make the required date for the phase 1 course (or a date shortly after) then you may get binned from that recruit intake as you will have been left behind in training standard. This is because manpower only allows one intake per year.

RMR Bristol however operate two recruit training levels at the same time. So you can choose when you complete your phase 1 or 2 course when it better suits you.

With the TA you have to do their TA basic training course in time with their training sylabus but could always be loaded on to any of the numerous TA BTC courses run through out the country.

What ever unit you join they should explain the required recruit commitment before you join.

If you want to consider TA then think about 131 Commando engineers (they have a birmingham unit). You can still get trained to a high standard and get your lid.

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Skiffle wrote:
1. I heard that in the RMR, after you have won the green beret you will have to serve another 3 years?? If this is true I think I would rather go UOTC. RMR already sounds like it dont mix with university (deadlines), without having to serve extra time after a degree. If this is so, could you request to have a POC from the RMR?? I would like to go straight onto POC after university.
When you sign on the line for any of the services you sign a 4 year contract which as a volunteer you can leave at any time of your choosing. If you do leave and are not in the recruit stages but have gained the Green Lid to become fully trained you can still be called up in times of emegency for 3 years after you leave. This ruling applys to anyone of the services and regular arms.

You can request to go officer from RMR recruit training (subject to being accepted for POC/ YO batch) or even get a commision in the RMR after getting your lid. I have known several lads get there lid in the RMR, do the officer conversion and go on to a regular YO batch. This takes them straight into a full regular service.
2. What is the UOTC like, I have heard mostly negative feedback from it but it still sounds good on the website though :lol:. You get a leadership qualification, and 3 years experience as an officer. You also get paid and all the camps are structured around the term dates. This sounds great to say that you have done that on your AIB. Obviously though, the RMR sounds like the better choice if you can cope with all the training weekends and courses.
From my dealings and assisting some training of UOTC it seems to be quite a bit of an easy ride and just doing sports and what i'd say as camping exercises (but just my opinion of short dealings with them).
3. Is the TA worth having a go at while I am at college?? It doesnt look to hectic with the training days, as the RMR. Can you choose when you do the 2 week annual camp??
When it comes to annual training camps (TA or RMR) it is not as easy as choosing what ones you attend during training. Depending on what unit you join will depend on how they operate there training intake.

RMR Scotland do their intake and train the recruits at a set rate. This means if you can't make the required date for the phase 1 course (or a date shortly after) then you may get binned from that recruit intake as you will have been left behind in training standard. This is because manpower only allows one intake per year.

RMR Bristol however operate two recruit training levels at the same time. So you can choose when you complete your phase 1 or 2 course when it better suits you.

With the TA you have to do their TA basic training course in time with their training sylabus but could always be loaded on to any of the numerous TA BTC courses run through out the country.

What ever unit you join they should explain the required recruit commitment before you join.

If you want to consider TA then think about 131 Commando engineers (they have a birmingham unit). You can still get trained to a high standard and get your lid.

Thanks

Mitch_Boxing
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I hate to sound a spacker but... you say RMR Bristol does two recruit training levels at the same time do the other dets. linked with it like Poole , Cardiff ,etc do the same or is it just RMR Bristol
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yeah all the dets would be included in rmr bristol
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rc wrote:That is hilarious Letsrole, where did you find that ?

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EDIT: got it from ARRSE they got a UOTC section

another edit: about what skiffle said, when you say 'emergancy' does that mean the WW3 kind or just a lack of volenteers to go on ops

Also got meself an interview at Henely booked :D
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Thanks for the replys,

Do you lot think it would be better just going to the TA for training but not completing the training? Then they wouldnt be able to mobilise you while your in the marines regs? I would hate to not be able to join marines because of 3 years duty that needs to be done for the TA.

What about joining the TA, then joining the royals as a recruit after completing TA combat soldier training (good experience before marines soldiering). Would you still need to be transfered for this type of route because you still owe them the 3 years duty after basic training dont you?I dont wanna do all arms commando, I need to go for the full 32 weeks, much more fun :lol: .

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mitch_boxing wrote:Thanks for the replys,

Do you lot think it would be better just going to the TA for training but not completing the training? Then they wouldnt be able to mobilise you while your in the marines regs? I would hate to not be able to join marines because of 3 years duty that needs to be done for the TA.

What about joining the TA, then joining the royals as a recruit after completing TA combat soldier training (good experience before marines soldiering). Would you still need to be transfered for this type of route because you still owe them the 3 years duty after basic training dont you?I dont wanna do all arms commando, I need to go for the full 32 weeks, much more fun :lol: .

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If you join the TA first bear in mind that once you have passed the TA's basic training course you are classified as a trained soldier and automaticly liable for call up.

To transfer from TA to RM/ RMR you would have to be discharged from the TA as your joining a seperate unit. And if you do jump ship from the TA, up until you pass your phase 2 course (for your green lid) you can and still are liable for call up by the TA. This is down to stupid paperwork wrangelings that still allow you to be called up as until you pass your RMR phase 2 you are not classified as deployable to RM.

If your so worried about being mobalised and are going to uni. You can not while under full time education (uni) be deployed. There should be something in the Reserve forces act 1996 about why. So you could do RMR (or your own choice unit) without being at risk of deployment until you have finished education. 8)
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Im thinking of not going to uni now because its to expensive, just gonna finish my 3 yrs of FREE education lol. Im thinking of trying for officer or recruit after college.

Once your pass basic you can be mobilised. I understand the situation while being part of the RMR but would this be the same for the royal marines recruit or officer training because you are down in lympstone all the time lol. Would they still try and mobilise you when you are halfway through your 9 or 18 months training course down in lympstone :-? .

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If your looking at full time RM and the full 32 weeks or YO batch then mobalisation is different.

During full time recruit training you can be mobalised (if the situation deems e.g. uk being invaded) while in recruit training but only after you have done a certain number of weeks (the point were you start commando training/ gain your cap comforter).

However with current climates likely to see a situation the same as ww2 you would have to complete recruit training before being deployed or mobilised to your unit. This means you could go straight from CTC to a unit preparing to deploy.

If you join any service then you have to expect to be deployed. 8)
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Ok thanks for your help skiffle.

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