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markthestab
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a commando is someone who has passed either the commando course in the marines or the all arms commando course from one of the other services, its basically a beasting but involves a lot of feildcraft and some infantry work and other stuff
a commando isnt a unit but there is a 3 commando brigade made up of 42 cdo, 40 cdo and 42 cdo, as well as attached army units 59 and 29 cdo reg RA and the rest are chefs,drivers, radio operators, medics etc
their is loads of info about it on here and the army's own website
a commando isnt a unit but there is a 3 commando brigade made up of 42 cdo, 40 cdo and 42 cdo, as well as attached army units 59 and 29 cdo reg RA and the rest are chefs,drivers, radio operators, medics etc
their is loads of info about it on here and the army's own website
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All Army ranks who do the Commando course do it at CTCRM in Devon. Normal routine is or was 6 weeks Pre AACC (all arms commando course) in Plymouth then onto CTCRM for the real AACC course which I think last 8 weeks.
Your instructors at CTC will be Royal Marines. And if your Soldiering skills are not up to snuff you will be RTUed as they do not have time to re-teach you what you were taught in basic training. Once passed out depending on your trade and your Capbadge you will be drafted to a Commando unit.
Don't expect to serve in a RM Commando mind. The three units being 40 CDORM, 42CDORM and 45CDORM. Expect to serve in 29CDORA, 59CDOINDEPSQNRE or CDOLOGREGTRM. The last is the only unit within the British armed forces where Army, Marines and Navy all serve in the same unit. Royal Sigs serve with HQ & SIGs 3CDOBDRM. Plus one in Logs.
And it is not a Beasting in any way shape or form. It is just damn hard work where you will be tested to the limit in all aspects of Soldiering finishing in the Commando tests in the last couple of weeks.
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Your instructors at CTC will be Royal Marines. And if your Soldiering skills are not up to snuff you will be RTUed as they do not have time to re-teach you what you were taught in basic training. Once passed out depending on your trade and your Capbadge you will be drafted to a Commando unit.
Don't expect to serve in a RM Commando mind. The three units being 40 CDORM, 42CDORM and 45CDORM. Expect to serve in 29CDORA, 59CDOINDEPSQNRE or CDOLOGREGTRM. The last is the only unit within the British armed forces where Army, Marines and Navy all serve in the same unit. Royal Sigs serve with HQ & SIGs 3CDOBDRM. Plus one in Logs.
And it is not a Beasting in any way shape or form. It is just damn hard work where you will be tested to the limit in all aspects of Soldiering finishing in the Commando tests in the last couple of weeks.
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Since their creation in 1942 Royal Marines Commandos have engaged on active operations across the globe, every year, except 1968.
The origins of the Brigade can be traced to the formation of the first commando units after the British Army’s retreat from Dunkirk in 1940, when Winston Churchill called for “specially trained troops of the hunter class, who can develop a reign of terror down these [German-occupied] coasts.”
The Army formed ten commandos that year but it was not until Valentine’s Day 1942 that the first Royal Marines Commando was formed. It was named RM ‘A’ Commando (now 40 Commando Royal Marines) and was involved in the disastrous Dieppe landings of August that year. In 1943 these commandos were grouped into brigades and 102 RM Brigade was formed.
Royal Marines Commando units fought across Europe taking part in campaigns in Sicily, Italy and the Dalmatian coast, including the landings at Salerno, Anzio and Termoli, while others in 102 RM Brigade (renamed 3 Special Service Brigade on 1 September 1943) fought in India and Burma. In October 1946 this formation was again renamed, this time 3 Commando Brigade Royal Marines.
Five RM Commando units took part in the D-Day landings, the largest amphibious assault in history, when nearly two-thirds of the landing craft were manned by Royal Marines. At the end of World War Two, Army Commandos were disbanded and the commando role was assigned exclusively to the Royal Marines. Between 1945 and 1971 the Brigade acted as the mobile reserve in the Mediterranean and the Far East, with the Headquarters being based in Hong Kong, Malta and Singapore. Brigade units saw action in the Palestine emergency, the Malayan campaign, Brunei, Korea, Cyprus, Tanganyika and in the Borneo confrontation with Indonesia.
In the Anglo-French assault on Port Said at Suez in 1956, 3 Commando Brigade landed by sea and air, with 45 Commando mounting the world’s first ever helicopter assault, from Royal Navy aircraft carriers. Later in 1961 Royal Marines Commandos were sent to the Gulf to prevent an Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. In 1971, after 28 years abroad, the Brigade returned to England, with its Headquarters based in Plymouth at Stonehouse Barracks, where Royal Marines have been stationed since the barracks were built in1783.
Between 1971 and 1978 the Brigade had a major commitment to NATO’s southern flank, with 41 Commando Group based in Malta for much of this time. In 1975, 40 and 41 Commandos speedily deployed to Cyprus after the Turkish invasion of the island. During the 1970s increased emphasis was placed on the northern flank of NATO with 45 Commando Group training annually in arctic Norway. By 1978 annual winter deployments had started to include most Brigade units. Royal Marines Commando units were among the first troops drafted into Northern Ireland in 1969 and have served in the Province almost every year since, predominantly in the nationalist heartlands of West Belfast and South Armagh.
In 1982 after the invasion of the Falkland Islands by the Argentineans, 3 Commando Brigade, augmented by two battalions from the Parachute Regiment, sailed for the South Atlantic within five days of being warned for operations. The Brigade completed successful amphibious landings at San Carlos, and then fought throughout the six-week campaign, which resulted in the surrender of all Argentinean forces on the island. The operation was a total success and demonstrated the quality, stamina and expertise of units within the Brigade.
The Brigade’s ability to deploy at speed and its unique qualification in mountain warfare resulted in it being deployed on Operation Haven, to protect Kurdish refugees from potential slaughter by Iraq’s state police in 1991 following the first Gulf war. Later, in 1994, as the ‘Spearhead battalion’, 45 Commando was again deployed to Kuwait, as part of the Allied response to a further threat of an Iraqi invasion.
Elements of the Brigade have deployed to the Balkans since the break-up of former Yugoslavia began, in 1991, and detachments drawn from commando units led ship-based boarding parties to enforce UN sanctions in the Adriatic. In addition, Tactical Air Control Parties and a commando battery from the Brigade deployed to the region in 1995 and were among the leading elements of the multinational implementation force, which took over from the United Nations in 1996. Finally, the Brigade Headquarters, with 45 Commando and other units of the Brigade, deployed to Kosovo in 2000.
The Brigade’s unique capabilities and deploy ability were again recognised in 1996 when it became one of the two core brigades within the Joint Rapid Deployment Force (JRDF); now the Joint Rapid Reaction Force (JRRF). As part of the JRRF the brigade retains a Lead Commando Group ready to deploy world-wide at very short notice. In 1998 40 Cdo and 539 Assault Sqn deployed to the Congo as part of a JRRF contingency force, while 42 Commando deployed to Sierra Leone in 2000, also at short notice.
In recent years the Corps has continued to be involved in high-profile operations and the scale and type of role has seen the Brigade in varied environments ranging from jungle to desert. Since the tragic events of 2001, the Brigade has played a key role in the UK’s subsequent military operations. In 2002 the Brigade deployed at short notice to Afghanistan to assist in the neutralisation of Taliban and Al Quaeda fighters. Most recently, the Brigade conducted the first conventional ground operation of the last Gulf war, and opposed amphibious assault to secure Iraqi oil infrastructure on the Al Faw peninsula. Subsequently, the Brigade assisted in the break-in to Basra, Iraq’s second city.
If you are in the RE and opt to join 3 Commando Brigade, you will join 59INDCDOSQNRE and undertake their pre-commando course beat-up in North Devon and Wales. Following this if you are succesful you will then goto CTCRM in Lympstone for the AACC. If you pass this you will return to North Devon and join one of the troops within 59 Cdo. At present 59 has 3 field troops of sappers a recce troop and a HQ Troop. Their job is not unlike their normal army counterparts in a light way, but undertaken in support of 3 Commando Brigade. Recce troop are also para trained.
Unlike the army (besides Airborne) 3 commando is self sufficent in that as a brigade it can leave the Uk and take and hold a beach or airhead and mount operations. No other unit can do this (except airborne, but their range is limited) Normal line regiments have to have a secure base of operations to work from and need other arms to assist such as the RAF and the RN. RM can deploy from UK, work globally and secure and operate from a base of operations using the RN and internal logistics chain, recce elements, SF and 3 fighting commando units with RA and RE support.
3 commando also have specialist artic, jungle and humanitarian skills and experience which make them highly versitile and not only suitable for intial shock troops but also suitible for mounting sustained operations.
They also have the best bands.
The origins of the Brigade can be traced to the formation of the first commando units after the British Army’s retreat from Dunkirk in 1940, when Winston Churchill called for “specially trained troops of the hunter class, who can develop a reign of terror down these [German-occupied] coasts.”
The Army formed ten commandos that year but it was not until Valentine’s Day 1942 that the first Royal Marines Commando was formed. It was named RM ‘A’ Commando (now 40 Commando Royal Marines) and was involved in the disastrous Dieppe landings of August that year. In 1943 these commandos were grouped into brigades and 102 RM Brigade was formed.
Royal Marines Commando units fought across Europe taking part in campaigns in Sicily, Italy and the Dalmatian coast, including the landings at Salerno, Anzio and Termoli, while others in 102 RM Brigade (renamed 3 Special Service Brigade on 1 September 1943) fought in India and Burma. In October 1946 this formation was again renamed, this time 3 Commando Brigade Royal Marines.
Five RM Commando units took part in the D-Day landings, the largest amphibious assault in history, when nearly two-thirds of the landing craft were manned by Royal Marines. At the end of World War Two, Army Commandos were disbanded and the commando role was assigned exclusively to the Royal Marines. Between 1945 and 1971 the Brigade acted as the mobile reserve in the Mediterranean and the Far East, with the Headquarters being based in Hong Kong, Malta and Singapore. Brigade units saw action in the Palestine emergency, the Malayan campaign, Brunei, Korea, Cyprus, Tanganyika and in the Borneo confrontation with Indonesia.
In the Anglo-French assault on Port Said at Suez in 1956, 3 Commando Brigade landed by sea and air, with 45 Commando mounting the world’s first ever helicopter assault, from Royal Navy aircraft carriers. Later in 1961 Royal Marines Commandos were sent to the Gulf to prevent an Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. In 1971, after 28 years abroad, the Brigade returned to England, with its Headquarters based in Plymouth at Stonehouse Barracks, where Royal Marines have been stationed since the barracks were built in1783.
Between 1971 and 1978 the Brigade had a major commitment to NATO’s southern flank, with 41 Commando Group based in Malta for much of this time. In 1975, 40 and 41 Commandos speedily deployed to Cyprus after the Turkish invasion of the island. During the 1970s increased emphasis was placed on the northern flank of NATO with 45 Commando Group training annually in arctic Norway. By 1978 annual winter deployments had started to include most Brigade units. Royal Marines Commando units were among the first troops drafted into Northern Ireland in 1969 and have served in the Province almost every year since, predominantly in the nationalist heartlands of West Belfast and South Armagh.
In 1982 after the invasion of the Falkland Islands by the Argentineans, 3 Commando Brigade, augmented by two battalions from the Parachute Regiment, sailed for the South Atlantic within five days of being warned for operations. The Brigade completed successful amphibious landings at San Carlos, and then fought throughout the six-week campaign, which resulted in the surrender of all Argentinean forces on the island. The operation was a total success and demonstrated the quality, stamina and expertise of units within the Brigade.
The Brigade’s ability to deploy at speed and its unique qualification in mountain warfare resulted in it being deployed on Operation Haven, to protect Kurdish refugees from potential slaughter by Iraq’s state police in 1991 following the first Gulf war. Later, in 1994, as the ‘Spearhead battalion’, 45 Commando was again deployed to Kuwait, as part of the Allied response to a further threat of an Iraqi invasion.
Elements of the Brigade have deployed to the Balkans since the break-up of former Yugoslavia began, in 1991, and detachments drawn from commando units led ship-based boarding parties to enforce UN sanctions in the Adriatic. In addition, Tactical Air Control Parties and a commando battery from the Brigade deployed to the region in 1995 and were among the leading elements of the multinational implementation force, which took over from the United Nations in 1996. Finally, the Brigade Headquarters, with 45 Commando and other units of the Brigade, deployed to Kosovo in 2000.
The Brigade’s unique capabilities and deploy ability were again recognised in 1996 when it became one of the two core brigades within the Joint Rapid Deployment Force (JRDF); now the Joint Rapid Reaction Force (JRRF). As part of the JRRF the brigade retains a Lead Commando Group ready to deploy world-wide at very short notice. In 1998 40 Cdo and 539 Assault Sqn deployed to the Congo as part of a JRRF contingency force, while 42 Commando deployed to Sierra Leone in 2000, also at short notice.
In recent years the Corps has continued to be involved in high-profile operations and the scale and type of role has seen the Brigade in varied environments ranging from jungle to desert. Since the tragic events of 2001, the Brigade has played a key role in the UK’s subsequent military operations. In 2002 the Brigade deployed at short notice to Afghanistan to assist in the neutralisation of Taliban and Al Quaeda fighters. Most recently, the Brigade conducted the first conventional ground operation of the last Gulf war, and opposed amphibious assault to secure Iraqi oil infrastructure on the Al Faw peninsula. Subsequently, the Brigade assisted in the break-in to Basra, Iraq’s second city.
If you are in the RE and opt to join 3 Commando Brigade, you will join 59INDCDOSQNRE and undertake their pre-commando course beat-up in North Devon and Wales. Following this if you are succesful you will then goto CTCRM in Lympstone for the AACC. If you pass this you will return to North Devon and join one of the troops within 59 Cdo. At present 59 has 3 field troops of sappers a recce troop and a HQ Troop. Their job is not unlike their normal army counterparts in a light way, but undertaken in support of 3 Commando Brigade. Recce troop are also para trained.
Unlike the army (besides Airborne) 3 commando is self sufficent in that as a brigade it can leave the Uk and take and hold a beach or airhead and mount operations. No other unit can do this (except airborne, but their range is limited) Normal line regiments have to have a secure base of operations to work from and need other arms to assist such as the RAF and the RN. RM can deploy from UK, work globally and secure and operate from a base of operations using the RN and internal logistics chain, recce elements, SF and 3 fighting commando units with RA and RE support.
3 commando also have specialist artic, jungle and humanitarian skills and experience which make them highly versitile and not only suitable for intial shock troops but also suitible for mounting sustained operations.
They also have the best bands.
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Sorry Doc but since when did the British Army NEED the RN during operations. Maybe I heard you wrong. And I'm sure there allot of Falkland vets out there who get really p*ssed off when the RM's and Paras claim to be the only ones who were there. Espeacially the Scotts Guards who fought at mount Tumbledown.
Theres even a few left here at the Household Cavalry mainly LE Officers now. Who were in the Falklands with the Blues and Royals. I'm not having ago but please just dont forget the none Bootnecks and Paras who fought and died in the falklands.
And as we both know Army units are apart of 3 cdo. Im not just talking about the usual RA, RE but I believe our Recce brothers of the Queens Dragoon Guards fought with the RM's in Iraq, and the RM's were very greatful and impressed.
Cheers
harry
Theres even a few left here at the Household Cavalry mainly LE Officers now. Who were in the Falklands with the Blues and Royals. I'm not having ago but please just dont forget the none Bootnecks and Paras who fought and died in the falklands.
And as we both know Army units are apart of 3 cdo. Im not just talking about the usual RA, RE but I believe our Recce brothers of the Queens Dragoon Guards fought with the RM's in Iraq, and the RM's were very greatful and impressed.
Cheers
harry
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I expected some stick 
My comment wasnt a RM versus anyone else comment, but a comment on the brigade as a whole. The thread is entitled Commando, doesnt matter the capbadge. (Most of what appears above was proffed off the RM website)
I wasnt however forgetting the rest of the Armed forces, especially those who fought on the falklands, I wasnt even there so have the utmost respect for anyone and everyone who went down there doesnt matter what capbadge. And Harry the Army did need the RN to get there, "taxi down south please!!!"
My point was in todays climate only 3 commando brigade, as a unit, can leave UK shores and capture and use a secure beachhead in a foreign land. Everyone else needs a combined operation to get there and do it. Once they are there of course the whole UK armed forces are top drawer.
obviously there will always be joint support at Northwood. But you put HMS Ocean off shore and there is air cover, a fighting unit, SF elements, RA, RE, Logistics, surgical and anything else you need to set up a theatre of operations. No-one else can claim that.
And Harry your right about the medium recce lads attached to the brigade, did a stirling job by all accounts. Met some of them in Germany post tour and got on well with them, they can farking drink!!!!! (I cant, tend to fall down and do the breath stroke in my own fluids )
So stop it now before I cry, just saying 3 Cdo is unique it what it can do, but after a while perc does need to turn up and add some weight. And the RAF turn up once the SB have secured a 5 star hotel
My comment wasnt a RM versus anyone else comment, but a comment on the brigade as a whole. The thread is entitled Commando, doesnt matter the capbadge. (Most of what appears above was proffed off the RM website)I wasnt however forgetting the rest of the Armed forces, especially those who fought on the falklands, I wasnt even there so have the utmost respect for anyone and everyone who went down there doesnt matter what capbadge. And Harry the Army did need the RN to get there, "taxi down south please!!!"
My point was in todays climate only 3 commando brigade, as a unit, can leave UK shores and capture and use a secure beachhead in a foreign land. Everyone else needs a combined operation to get there and do it. Once they are there of course the whole UK armed forces are top drawer.
obviously there will always be joint support at Northwood. But you put HMS Ocean off shore and there is air cover, a fighting unit, SF elements, RA, RE, Logistics, surgical and anything else you need to set up a theatre of operations. No-one else can claim that.
And Harry your right about the medium recce lads attached to the brigade, did a stirling job by all accounts. Met some of them in Germany post tour and got on well with them, they can farking drink!!!!! (I cant, tend to fall down and do the breath stroke in my own fluids
)So stop it now before I cry, just saying 3 Cdo is unique it what it can do, but after a while perc does need to turn up and add some weight. And the RAF turn up once the SB have secured a 5 star hotel
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yeh but I was having a dig at the RAF
Sorry SS, incoming!!!!!!!!!!!
Dont forget teh first Gulf war, RM and Para were noticible in their absence, but hardly missed. the Armoured units and supporting infantry did a stirling job. A job that should have been given to them in 1994 in kuwait but instead we in 45 Cdo turned up with a SA80 and a few mortar tubes. Facing a whole republican Guard amoured division 6 k away!!!!!!
Fark the whos best and hardest line, in that scenerio the RM and Para Regt aint! Ok they did well this time round, but it was a different campaign altogether.
Each has a role and are good at it. Different skills for different roles.
Sorry SS, incoming!!!!!!!!!!!
Dont forget teh first Gulf war, RM and Para were noticible in their absence, but hardly missed. the Armoured units and supporting infantry did a stirling job. A job that should have been given to them in 1994 in kuwait but instead we in 45 Cdo turned up with a SA80 and a few mortar tubes. Facing a whole republican Guard amoured division 6 k away!!!!!!
Fark the whos best and hardest line, in that scenerio the RM and Para Regt aint! Ok they did well this time round, but it was a different campaign altogether.
Each has a role and are good at it. Different skills for different roles.
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I agree Doc, the 2 SAC Rocks that were required to fill in the Republican Guard were on Jankers that weekend so 7 Armoured etc had to go and do it.
RAF-Rise above the rest-free mini bar with each operational det
Army-Be a pest (and never wash)
RN-Take one up the wrong 'un
RM-nice blokes dressed as wimmin
Regards
ss
PS Sunday tomorrow so church it is for me.
RAF-Rise above the rest-free mini bar with each operational det
Army-Be a pest (and never wash)
RN-Take one up the wrong 'un
RM-nice blokes dressed as wimmin
Regards
ss
PS Sunday tomorrow so church it is for me.
Per Ardua
Ok then, I'll bite. Can you give me the combat history of the RAF Regiment in WW1. I want to do a comparison against the 'Naval Brigade'.sittingstress wrote:Since their creation in 1942 the RAF Regiment have engaged on active operations across the globe, every year, INCLUDING 1968.
I await, Sirs, your honourable banter!!
Regards
ss
PS Please note the double
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[quote="sittingstress"]
RAF-Rise above the rest-free mini bar with each operational det
Army-Be a pest (and never wash)
RN-Take one up the wrong 'un
RM-nice blokes dressed as wimmin
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I agree with points 1, 2 and 4 however sir I reject the insinuation that we as members of the RN take one up the "wrong un" and will there fore be reporting you to my equal ops officer you bad man you!
RAF-Rise above the rest-free mini bar with each operational det
Army-Be a pest (and never wash)
RN-Take one up the wrong 'un
RM-nice blokes dressed as wimmin
quote]
I agree with points 1, 2 and 4 however sir I reject the insinuation that we as members of the RN take one up the "wrong un" and will there fore be reporting you to my equal ops officer you bad man you!
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