World War One and mutiny...

MORTARDUDE · Post by **MORTARDUDE** » Wed 28 May, 2003 4:12 pm

Always wondered about something..probably best discussed on WW1 websites..but thought you might have some ideas..if subject too sensitive..no problem. Anyway, I am a fan of "Paths of Glory" and have read some about the French Army mutiny..Was there ever anything similar that happened with the British Army ? why or why not ? Were any officers ever court martialed for refusing to send troops into certain death etc..like I said, haven't done a lot of research. My grandfather served there and fought along side British troops. Thanks.

Larry

harry hackedoff · Post by **harry hackedoff** » Wed 28 May, 2003 7:20 pm

Good question, Larry. Perhaps JR might be able to recall, after all, he was there

By the way, did your Great Grand-paw have a watch? Did he give it to your Grand Daddy in WW11? Did your daddy hide it for four years up his hoop in Vietnam?
Christopher Walken, anyone

Aye,

El Prez · Post by **El Prez** » Wed 28 May, 2003 9:21 pm

http://www.ku.edu/~kansite/WWI-L/2001/02/msg00022.html

Try this link for starters Larry.
Then try Google "WW1 British Army Mutiny"

MORTARDUDE · Post by **MORTARDUDE** » Thu 29 May, 2003 5:50 pm

no one in my family like Christopher Walken, Thank God ! , a truly spooky, but great, actor. Thanks El Prez for the link !!

Larry

Frank S. · Post by **Frank S.** » Sat 31 May, 2003 2:12 am

Bad link, removed.

JR · Post by JR » Sat 31 May, 2003 2:43 am

Mutiny in the Great war 1914-18,A mutiny broke out at the Etables training camp during the later end of the 14-18 war it was started by a soldier by the name of Percy Toplis (nicknamed the Monocled mutineer) the book in paper back form was made into a BBC series adapted for TV by alan Bleasdale about 1987.at the time the book was first published 1919 very controversial.Try a Google search for details.Aye JR

harry hackedoff · Post by **harry hackedoff** » Thu 17 Jul, 2003 3:28 pm

Heyup Jim

a soldier by the name of Percy

Really? How unusual

Contractor · Post by **Contractor** » Thu 17 Jul, 2003 3:41 pm

10 Regt RCT, Bielefeld Germany 1971.

The entire Regiment on parade, 600 blokes, all sat down refused to soldier. RMPs called to restore order complete nasty barking wolves.

CO, 2IC, Adjt, RSM all sacked in subsequent inquiry - never made the press.

Contractor · Post by **Contractor** » Thu 17 Jul, 2003 3:42 pm

10 Regt RCT, Bielefeld Germany 1971.

The entire Regiment on parade, 600 blokes, all sat down refused to soldier. RMPs called to restore order complete with nasty barking wolves.

CO, 2IC, Adjt, RSM all sacked in subsequent inquiry - never made the press.

harry hackedoff · Post by **harry hackedoff** » Thu 17 Jul, 2003 3:59 pm

For this to happen once, is unfortunate.
But twice

I ask you

Contractor · Post by **Contractor** » Thu 17 Jul, 2003 4:03 pm

Doh! damned Preview and Submit button confusion

Archie · Post by **Archie** » Thu 17 Jul, 2003 4:14 pm

Contractor wrote:10 Regt RCT, Bielefeld Germany 1971.

The entire Regiment on parade, 600 blokes, all sat down refused to soldier. .

Why was it, bad food, PMT, nasty man shouted at them?

Tell us why please.

Contractor · Post by **Contractor** » Thu 17 Jul, 2003 5:03 pm

I arrived there in '74 so as with all good tales this is second hand.

10 Regt RCT was the 'penal' regiment for all of the RCTs nutters, alkies, misfits and na'er do wells. So with a Corps strength of around 12,000 in the early 70's there were many good candidates!

'71 was a particularly busy time for all in NI, so Squadrons were either in NI, training for NI, or just returned from NI, no problem so far. However, the 'management' were especially keen on the philosophy of 'if it doesn't move paint it' school of military doctrine.

This coupled with the fact that 10 Regt RCT were banned from every watering hole in Germany and virtually confined to barracks, tensions were high.

Rather than give the lads wind down time after endless 4 month emergency tours in NI they considered a nice parade for the CO was a good plan. Stones were painted white, leaves swept. Stones were painted blue, leaves swept. Stones were painted yellow, leaves swept.............your getting the picture I trust.

The big parade, drums beating, enough was enough apparently and they all sat down and wouldn't budge - a strike I suppose. Lot's of shouting, names being taken, threats made - nobody moved.

RMP were called, the square was cleared with the use of dogs (no, not WRAC) and all were kept in barracks until reason was restored.

Big inquiry, nobody on the parade was charged, 'management' sacked, new management team in place within days.

The notoriety of 10 Regt lives on to the present day in RCT circles. As a footnote they became BAOR Boxing Champions five years in a row 71 -76 and Army Boxing Champions for four of these five years. Other units who couldn't muster the resources of such a large Corps decided not to enter the competition so the team was disbanded to give everyone else a chance.

An excellent first tour and introduction to the Army

Archie · Post by **Archie** » Thu 17 Jul, 2003 5:13 pm

A good dit, and by the sound of things they had some justification.

Royals approach would have been more along the lines of the management leading the festivities at the Magic Stick and last man sober is on a charge.

It seems that some Ruperts are so divorced from the hazards of the job that they cannot begin to understand what the men have to put up with.

"I say steward, be a good chap and pop some more ice in this gin, there's a good fellow. "

JR · Post by JR » Thu 17 Jul, 2003 5:15 pm

Harry,Not forgetting the Parachute Regiment Mutiny Muar Camp Malaya 1946,250 men received prison sentences,Now that was hushed up by the 'War Office'.Aye JR

'Sir,Sir', The troops are 'revolting'Yes I know 'Old Boy' try not to look at em!

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