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New chutes get high marks from Marines in Iraq

MMP versatile, easier to use, jumpers say after training in Iraq
By Cindy Fisher, Stars and Stripes
Mideast edition, Tuesday, July 22, 2008


AL ASAD, Iraq — The Marine Corps’ newest parachute was used for the first time in Iraq last week during a five-day training program of progressively more difficult jumps. Officials say testing the gear in a war zone makes perfect sense.

The multimission parachute system, which the Corps had been testing for about two years, is replacing the MC-5 static line/free-fall ram air parachute system, said Master Sgt. Monroe Stueber, operations chief of the 3rd Reconnaissance Battalion.

More than 20 jumpers with 3rd Recon participated in the day and night static line jumps from 5,500 feet and higher, and free fall jumps from 10,000 feet, using the multimission parachute system.

This was also the first time that static line and free fall jumps had been done together, Gunnery Sgt. Marc Hogue, 39, a 3rd Recon jump master from Tempe, Ariz., said Thursday.

The successful completion of this training package "opens a lot of doors for recon battalions to do this outside the wire in Iraq," said Stueber, 45, of Jacksonville, N.C.

Convoying to various locations in Iraq has, in the past, been problematic because of roadside dangers including bombs, he said. On the road, "the biggest threat to us is IEDs (improvised explosive devices); we can beat that by jumping," Stueber said.

Marines could also be brought in by helicopter, but parachuting is quieter, he said.

"We can cut down risks," he said. "This is another means to put somebody into a situation."


Once among the most violent areas in Iraq, Anbar province has now become one of the most quiet, so much so that the Marines could do the training here.

Marine recon units had completed some jumps in the past using the MC-5 chute, but the new chute is more versatile and more forgiving than the MC-5, Stueber said. The MC-5 parachute could be used in only two configurations, for static line jumps and for free fall jumps.

In a static line jump, the parachute release is attached to a static line in the aircraft that automatically deploys the chute when the jumper exits the plane. In free fall, a jumper leaves the plane and then hand-deploys his parachute at a certain altitude.

The new parachute can be used in four different configurations: free fall, hand-deployed with an attached pilot chute; free fall, hand-deployed with a drogue chute; double bag static line in which the bag contains a pilot chute and the main chute; and static line with a drogue chute.

Pilot and drogue chutes are auxiliary chutes used to deploy main or reserve parachutes.

"It’s an incredible piece of gear. Now instead of several different types of chutes in the paraloft, we have just one," Lt. Col. William Seely, 3rd Recon Battalion’s commander, said Wednesday.

Another improvement is that the canopy has nine cells, which gives the parachute a better lift capacity and glide, Stueber said. The MC-5 has seven.

The chute is more maneuverable, and it’s a very forgiving parachute, he said.

The 3rd Recon jumpers who used the new chute agreed that it was a vast improvement over the MC-5 parachute.

"I love the MMPS," said Petty Officer 3rd Class Andrew Warner, 25. "You can pretty much land it wherever you want to."

Stueber agreed with this assessment.

"You can really screw this thing up and still land it," he said.

Once the training package is completed, 3rd Recon hopes to do jumps outside the wire using the multimission parachute system, several battalion leaders said.

"It’s easier; it makes more sense; this is what we should be doing," Hogue told Marines after their first jump Wednesday.
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I spotted this article and thought it was really interesting so thought I'd post it here.

(My bold) I wonder if Para drops really will become a regular way to deploy troops in Iraq?

It's been a method used extensively by the French in past wars like Indo-China and Algeria, but regular drops to move units into place haven't been used on active operations since then as far as I'm aware so this would be a very interesting development if it happens.

I also wonder what knock on effect (if any) it might have for our own plans and approach to conducting Airborne operations?
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Not in the British Army they wont, they wont have this type of chute because of the cost and there are not the aircraft to do the drops.
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I agree with Tab....no chance the MOD will buy the new US chute system.......lets not forget that the MOD are stopping all parachute training and jumps until 2011....

According to official resources it will be 2012 until all parachute training would have caught up....lots of new Para's out of P company getting posted to units with no wings,,,,, his is a very sad time!

Is this a sign of things to come?
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Viking1 wrote:lets not forget that the MOD are stopping all parachute training and jumps until 2011....
Really, are they.
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SandyTheGuvnor wrote:
Viking1 wrote:lets not forget that the MOD are stopping all parachute training and jumps until 2011....
Really, are they.
Yeah did'nt you hear Sandy? They faxed me it all ages ago...must have forgot to tell you. :lol: :roll:
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Oooooh handbags....I am begining to think I have a stalker/hater with a severe sense of SOHF....such a shame

A petition was signed by large numbers of Para reg only recently regarding the MOD's plans......its available online
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[Parachute training in the Army is set to be halted for four years as part of a £1 billion cost-cutting programme by the Ministry of Defence (MoD).


Britain will be without a parachute-trained force for the first time since the Second World War when the Parachute Regiment was created on the orders of Winston Churchill.

Documents leaked to The Sunday Telegraph reveal that [b]no new recruits or even serving members of the Parachute Regiment or airborne forces will be trained in military parachuting from next year until 2011. It will then take a year to get the Army's 2,500 paratroopers up to scratch.
The cost-cutting programme is being launched after defence chiefs warned that spiralling costs of complex equipment and the demands of military operations would create a financial "black hole" in the MoD of £868 million by the end of the next year.

The planned cuts to be imposed on 16 Air Assault Brigade, which the MoD admits would be a public-relations disaster.

The document states that if the cuts were imposed "the Parachute Regiment and other airborne units would be undermined with implications for morale, recruiting and retention. It would take until March 31, 2012, to retrain all aircrews, dispatchers, planers and parachute-trained units".
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All i can say is dont believe everything you read in the papers. :wink:
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That Basic Para Course that were jumping at Brize this week must have been in my imagination then! :roll:

Ref the New Yank parachute, the equivalent UK units have been using a similar multi mission system for some time now. I'm guessing that the Yanks have followed our lead.
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Hey Viking, you of all people should know it doesn't matter about Para training being stopped, the Paras are planning to jump without Parachutes so no training required, that's obviously why they have the whole 20min life expectancy you were enlightening us all about the other day :roll:


GR, I was actually wondering more about the idea of using Para drops to move troops round country instead of using vehicles rather than the specific parachute involved and was wondering whether we might decide to do the same if the Yanks start doing it?

I'm glad you posted as you're obviously the most likely to know about this sort of thing.
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Alfa,

No charisma bypass yet?....good to know...your a funny guy!

I am not a a maroon machine or hat hater and am actually saddened by the current governments plans.

These affect lots of areas in HM forces and not only parachute training....I dont think anyone wants the Para's to be without its airborne ability..especially as it is fighting so hard against the Taliban.
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Alfa wrote:GR, I was actually wondering more about the idea of using Para drops to move troops round country instead of using vehicles rather than the specific parachute involved and was wondering whether we might decide to do the same if the Yanks start doing it?
It's not as easy as just using parachutes as an alternative method of movement mate. The lack of available aircraft is the main problem, never mind all the other assets required to conduct a modern airborne operation.

The Yank units involved in the use of this parachute aren't the equivalent of Para Regt Bns, they're advance force soldiers.
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Ah right ok, thanks for clearing that up GR.
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