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I have been asked by my Office to post this as they know I have contacts in the UK.
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Bradford Shooting.
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harry hackedoff
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Second woman officer injured facing robbers
A POLICEWOMAN was shot dead and a second seriously injured as they confronted armed robbers in Bradford city centre yesterday afternoon. The dead woman was only the sixth female officer to die in the line of duty in the 30 years that women have policed the streets in mainland Britain — and the first to be shot dead since WPC Yvonne Fletcher was killed outside the Libyan Embassy in London in 1984. A hunt was underway for the killers last night, after eyewitnesses reported three men fleeing the scene.
A Downing Street spokesman said that the Prime Minister was “shocked and saddened”. He said: “His thoughts go out to the family and friends of the officers involved and to West Yorkshire police force.” Two years after the shooting of PC Ian Broadhurst in the Oakwood area of Leeds, 15 miles from Bradford city centre, the incident is expected to reignite the debate over whether all British police officers should carry firearms. The dead woman was thought to be in her mid-thirties and may have been a “tutor constable”. She is believed to have been training the other woman, thought to be a young “probationer” — an officer with less than two years’ service. The women were called to a robbery at Universal Express, an Asian-run travel agents in Morley Street at about 3.25pm, West Yorkshire police said. The shop is believed to have been targeted because of its stock of currency. Less than three years ago Tasawar Hussain, 36, was shot dead as he tried to help police to stop an armed robbery at another travel agent in Bradford. It was unclear last night if the two officers knew that they would be dealing with an armed robbery or if they were wearing body armour. The sequence of events was unclear last night but eyewitnesses described the aftermath of the shooting. Amer Khan, a 24-year-old property developer, who had been eating in a restaurant near by saw a policewoman lying on the ground. “She was wearing a yellow reflective uniform. There were people all around her trying to resuscitate her,” he said. He spoke to a friend who said that he had seen three men go into the travel agents and rob it. The friend said that the robbers were confronted by two women officers, shot them, and then ran off. Another witness, named only as Faz, told The Times: “I was walking up Morley street when I heard the sound of shots. I turned round to see where they had come from and I saw two black guys with hooded tops running across the road and into a side road.” Tom McGhie, chairman of West Yorkshire Police Federation, confirmed that shots were fired and that one officer had been shot and killed. “Police officers go to work and they expect to go home. Sadly this officer is not going to go home tonight,” he said. Both officers were taken to Bradford Royal Infirmary where one died. The other’s injuries were said not to be life-threatening. Last night much of the Bradford city’s centre was cordoned off and armed police officers were patrolling the streets. Some officers were seen weeping at the scene. Shops and bars in the area were closed. The shooting happened in an area of the city centre between the Bradford Museum of Photography, Film & Television and the university, close to the Alhambra theatre.
A POLICEWOMAN was shot dead and a second seriously injured as they confronted armed robbers in Bradford city centre yesterday afternoon. The dead woman was only the sixth female officer to die in the line of duty in the 30 years that women have policed the streets in mainland Britain — and the first to be shot dead since WPC Yvonne Fletcher was killed outside the Libyan Embassy in London in 1984. A hunt was underway for the killers last night, after eyewitnesses reported three men fleeing the scene.
A Downing Street spokesman said that the Prime Minister was “shocked and saddened”. He said: “His thoughts go out to the family and friends of the officers involved and to West Yorkshire police force.” Two years after the shooting of PC Ian Broadhurst in the Oakwood area of Leeds, 15 miles from Bradford city centre, the incident is expected to reignite the debate over whether all British police officers should carry firearms. The dead woman was thought to be in her mid-thirties and may have been a “tutor constable”. She is believed to have been training the other woman, thought to be a young “probationer” — an officer with less than two years’ service. The women were called to a robbery at Universal Express, an Asian-run travel agents in Morley Street at about 3.25pm, West Yorkshire police said. The shop is believed to have been targeted because of its stock of currency. Less than three years ago Tasawar Hussain, 36, was shot dead as he tried to help police to stop an armed robbery at another travel agent in Bradford. It was unclear last night if the two officers knew that they would be dealing with an armed robbery or if they were wearing body armour. The sequence of events was unclear last night but eyewitnesses described the aftermath of the shooting. Amer Khan, a 24-year-old property developer, who had been eating in a restaurant near by saw a policewoman lying on the ground. “She was wearing a yellow reflective uniform. There were people all around her trying to resuscitate her,” he said. He spoke to a friend who said that he had seen three men go into the travel agents and rob it. The friend said that the robbers were confronted by two women officers, shot them, and then ran off. Another witness, named only as Faz, told The Times: “I was walking up Morley street when I heard the sound of shots. I turned round to see where they had come from and I saw two black guys with hooded tops running across the road and into a side road.” Tom McGhie, chairman of West Yorkshire Police Federation, confirmed that shots were fired and that one officer had been shot and killed. “Police officers go to work and they expect to go home. Sadly this officer is not going to go home tonight,” he said. Both officers were taken to Bradford Royal Infirmary where one died. The other’s injuries were said not to be life-threatening. Last night much of the Bradford city’s centre was cordoned off and armed police officers were patrolling the streets. Some officers were seen weeping at the scene. Shops and bars in the area were closed. The shooting happened in an area of the city centre between the Bradford Museum of Photography, Film & Television and the university, close to the Alhambra theatre.
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Wholley
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Why?No we dont wont all out police armed,
Apart from your awful grammar your not really making an arguement for or against.
The prob as I see it is this.
When I wake up and go to work I carry a GUN.It's on my hip with a back-up elswere.With my gun I have a Badge.It identifies me as a sworn Police Officer.If I get into a situation where I need to use my GUN then I will.
I have that option.The poor woman in England did not.Had she been armed she may well still be alive.
BTW I Thought Charles Clark's response in the Times was pathetic.
Bastard.
Chappy.......A Police Officer like many patrols in the Army do not know what they are going to face until they get there. It could be a minor altercation in the Bank it could be robbery. The only way you can over come this problem is to arm all the Officers at all times. You suggested that an armed response unit should be sent in first well that could be on the other side of town and could take an age to arrive and just what incidents would you have an armed response unit sent to first rather than an unarmed Officer. There seems to be a hue and cry that it was WPCs that got shot, and it would be okay if they were male PCs, well it should now go with the job.
I understood that the two closest officers (not men or women) were sent to attend when a personal attack alarm at the travel agents was set off, so there was no indication that there were guns involved. When they arrived, the guys ran out and opened fire.
Maybe it is more the media catching up with the fact that female officers as well as male can be injured or killed - I haven't heard that the officers involved seemed to think they shouldn't take the risks of their job.
Maybe it is more the media catching up with the fact that female officers as well as male can be injured or killed - I haven't heard that the officers involved seemed to think they shouldn't take the risks of their job.
There was no information at the time that this was an armed robbery, to wait for an ARV based on no firearms information is to delay an initial response.
The officers were fired upon before entering the premises, this is the daily risk that officers in this country face, should officers be armed, from me yes, from many others no.
The officers were fired upon before entering the premises, this is the daily risk that officers in this country face, should officers be armed, from me yes, from many others no.
You were only supposed to blow the Bloody Doors Off....
I used to work in an alarm recieving centre, the majority of panic alarm activations are false alarms. Police do not have the resources to send an ARU to each activation. I agree with the viewpoint that police should be armed. In this circumstance it may not have helped, but at least the option to use the gun if deemed appropriate would be there. In an ever changing world our police force should be equiped to deal with any situation that arises. There are so many illegal firearms in circulation that it is inpractical to call a ARU to a crime scene only after an incident such as this has taken place.
Given your last post its slighty hypocritical to denouce my use of English.Wholley wrote:Why?No we dont wont all out police armed,
Apart from your awful grammar your not really making an arguement for or against.
The prob as I see it is this.
When I wake up and go to work I carry a GUN.It's on my hip with a back-up elswere.With my gun I have a Badge.It identifies me as a sworn Police Officer.If I get into a situation where I need to use my GUN then I will.
I have that option.The poor woman in England did not.Had she been armed she may well still be alive.
BTW I Thought Charles Clark's response in the Times was pathetic.
Bastard.
To arm the Police is totally wrong. Firearms should be available to a small number of appropriately trained officers so that if a situation arises, those officers can be deployed immediately. Providing every policeman with a firearm normalises possession, and that will lead to more criminals feeling compelled to obtain and carry them with the inevitable results. It will also make the Police Officer more of a target rather than less so. Its sad that an officer has died and another wounded badly, but I suspect many more would be killed if they were carrying firearms.
The solution?
Hand guns have already been banned and are illegal. It is the market and thirst for firearms that is the main problem.
This market originates from three principle sources, the first is the huge number of relative newcomers who are not integrated properly into UK society and thus not accept its norms. The second is the imported gangster culture from the USA which is driven by greed, power, respect, money and drugs. The third is the political taboo which prohibits us from comprehensibly identifying particular problems with particular ethnic and social groups. The solution begins with an acceptance that some people do not want the kind of society the rest of us would like to see.
I hope that states my argument.
Chappy wrote:
To arm the Police is totally wrong. Firearms should be available to a small number of appropriately trained officers so that if a situation arises, those officers can be deployed immediately.
And what kind of situation will be deemed appropriate for the armed officers, and what happens when there is a situation which is in need of armed officers, but there are none capable of attending, or like this, it seemed not severe enough to warrant armed officers but turned out that they would have been more appropriate.
Providing every policeman with a firearm normalises possession, and that will lead to more criminals feeling compelled to obtain and carry them with the inevitable results.
The amount of criminals carrying will increase anyway, why say that we should leave most officers defenceless because it will slow the rate of increase in illegal weapon possesion.
Provide the Officers with a means to defend themselves.
Its sad that an officer has died and another wounded badly, but I suspect many more would be killed if they were carrying firearms.
And I suspect the firearms will be a general deterent, and a defense against those who are willing to use firearms unprovoked.
Niether of us have any proof, evidence or experience, so we are basing our views on assumptoins. Meanwhile the majority of policemen/policewomen whos opinion I have seen and heard have wanted firearms. They are the ones who experience this every day, and thusly know what they need better than we do and probably ever will.
Give them what they want is what I say.
The solution?
Hand guns have already been banned and are illegal. It is the market and thirst for firearms that is the main problem.
This market originates from three principle sources, the first is the huge number of relative newcomers who are not integrated properly into UK society and thus not accept its norms. The second is the imported gangster culture from the USA which is driven by greed, power, respect, money and drugs. The third is the political taboo which prohibits us from comprehensibly identifying particular problems with particular ethnic and social groups. The solution begins with an acceptance that some people do not want the kind of society the rest of us would like to see.
And what action should be taken, other than labeling certain ethnic or social groups as crime sources as you suggest.
Just labeling groups as criminals isn't going to reduce the problem, and will likely create worse.
Wo zhu ni jian kang.
The Police currently have non lethal means of protection, the retractable batton, CS Spray and Taser. Armed Response Units are there to deal with the more serious crimes involving weapons. I would not send a normal Police Officer to the scene of a robbery first, I would have enough Armed Response Units to feasibly attend all such incidents.
With regards to your claims that most Police Officers wanting to BE armed, I know this to be untrue, the Police Federation surveyed the whole Police Force and the following result was found:-
# 79% of police officers said they were not in favour of being routinely armed
Seem as though I`m on a role with figures I think I`ll kick some more out:-
Last year there were about 4,000 armed incidents in England and Wales and 42 people died from gunshot wounds. In the US about 30,000 people each year are killed by guns - and another 90,000 injured.
You need to keep the risks in perspective. Gun-related crime is still a very small element in our crime statistics. And for further prespective more people are killed by Police cars than firearms. Do we really want more knee jerk policies rushed through like Labours response in 97 to the Dunblane incident? Which merely served to block law obiding gun owners.
With regards to your claims that most Police Officers wanting to BE armed, I know this to be untrue, the Police Federation surveyed the whole Police Force and the following result was found:-
# 79% of police officers said they were not in favour of being routinely armed
Seem as though I`m on a role with figures I think I`ll kick some more out:-
Last year there were about 4,000 armed incidents in England and Wales and 42 people died from gunshot wounds. In the US about 30,000 people each year are killed by guns - and another 90,000 injured.
You need to keep the risks in perspective. Gun-related crime is still a very small element in our crime statistics. And for further prespective more people are killed by Police cars than firearms. Do we really want more knee jerk policies rushed through like Labours response in 97 to the Dunblane incident? Which merely served to block law obiding gun owners.
Jarhead, not had the pleasure before, you are a lover of stats, does that mean you are some kind of office bound pen pusher, or are you a person whodoes a dangerous job round the clock and happily walks or drives around to the job al la yesterday hoping, if this is a working job, if so I hope they have gone, or do you think, ho hum, I have got a belt load of non lethal options.
You were only supposed to blow the Bloody Doors Off....
With all due respect - maybe you could educate me on other possible solutions instead of half heartedly trying to pick apart mine.
Dont tell me, its to....give more Police firearms..........
Genius, why couldnt I think of that? It would have saved me coming to a researched, analysed and critical point of view. I love Daily Mail readers.
Dont tell me, its to....give more Police firearms..........
Genius, why couldnt I think of that? It would have saved me coming to a researched, analysed and critical point of view. I love Daily Mail readers.
