RM Training Software - Part 2

[mfat_man]

Sorry once again. Just wanted to make it clear (and im sure you all know) that a pro football player couldn't compete with a RM when it comes to fitness.

AJ, I don't mean to be argumentative here, just making idle conversation, but do you really think a RM is fitter than a top pro footballer? Hmm, maybe they have more strentgh upper body wise, but I reckon most top premiership players would give RM's a run for their money. I mean after all, they are getting paid all that money, they can't drink really, can't smoke, cant even have sex the night before a match lol! I think you under estimate how fit they are, they train every single day exept before matches and match days. I know marines are fit, but they enjoy their vices aswell, where as a footballer can't do anything except train and play. Anyway, please don't shout me down anyone as a walter or a wannabe or anything because I'm just making conversation.

Lodgi

In terms of pure athletisim I think they might well be close.

But we all know it's a different type of stamina. There will also be strong footballers, like for example Sol Cambell; big guy but like they say get him to tab 100 miles with a big bergan and it would be a different matter.

And don't forget we are the mob, the "Foxtrot Oscar factor", could a footballer deal with that?? I think not at all! But I bet you if there was a mob series with some pro sportsmen the would do well cos they normally do....

[Brian-]

It's simple isn't it, both are bloody fit.

Get a top cyclist to run with top runners and he won't be that great, and the same the other way around. That doesn't stop them both being amazingly fit!

Horses for courses I say.

[dwarfy]

Lets face it boys, footballers are trained to last the length of a football match, Bootnecks are trained to last the length of a battle!!!!!

And physical fitness aside, who do you think would last longer in battle?
Well there is no debate there at all is there.

As for the fitness side of things, there is no denying that top pro football players are extremely fit....they are top, top atheletes who on top of an extremely pinpoint training regime that is constant, also have the top nutrionists looking after thier diets. Its been said before, this really is not something that you can debate with any right or wrong answer, as the demands and needs of a RM are totally different to that of a Pro footballer. Footballers have extreme cardiovascular fitness to carry their own body weight around a pitch for 90 minutes, making quick burst runs here there and everywhere. It is a very different prospect facing a speed march or a load carry/yomp, but they have no need to do so.

As for who is fitter?

You can just not anwer that in my opinion. Both are at the top of the mark for what they do. RM would win hands down in some area,s (yomping for example ) but i do believe pro footballers would win hands down in others.(sprinting for example).

dwarfy,

[Dickie]

I think this is the right place to post this, if it's not could a kind Mod (or a Rocker if there's any about) move it for me?

Basically, I found my (I assume it's mine anyways, it was under my bed) copy of said software, all nice and shiny, no scratches, boxed etc (still has the funny little adverts they include in the box!) I don't use it so if it's any use to anyone here just PM me your address and I'll whack it in the post for you.

As for why I have it? Thats a complete mystery.

[AJtothemax]

Hahaha, think this might be getting blown out of proportion just a little bit, but ya know, it seem to be an interesting topic as it was carried on.

Think about it realisticly guys. A Royal Marine Commando would be able to beat a footballer in fitness - Cardio: RM wins due to how much they have to yomp with bergens, including running.

Strength: We all know the answer to that.

Mental Strength: Once again, we all know the answer to that.

Im not slating footballers because im a rugby player, but i know how athletes train - because realisticly thats what pro footballers are. But that doesn't make them fitter than a RM. RM will also have a conditioned body to taking blows.

A few of my mates who play football ask me after they have seen me play a rugby match "how do you take that and still carry on??" Simple, you just get used to it. Taking knocks, being constantly out in all weathers, being demoralised, throwing up etc etc all reflects on ones strength and fitness, and i have to say an RM could take that more than a footballer would, simple. Thats my arguement, it makes sense to me. Obviously there are those who might think otherwise but thats good, this has turned into a debate so it will be interesting to see whats replied to this

Once again, im not knocking football players, so what if they get paied to train and play, doesn't make them any better at all. There is differences in the way the train but dont move away from the point here: Who is fitter: A pro footballer (e.g. beckham, which is what started this all) or a commando?

Football stamina cannot measure up to the stamina needed to fight on for days on end in a war with very little or no rest - fact. Im not just speaking about the mental side of it (although that is the biggest aspect of it), the physical stamina needed is far greater than that needed to play (for arguements sake) 90mins of football, extra time and a penalty shoot-out.

[bigdog]

I think you are slightly underestimating the mental strength required to be a top footballer. Do you honestly think its easy to make it to the absolute pinacle of your profession? In the case of beckham only one guy can captain England, you have got to be the best of the very very best. Im not a big fan of his but I understand that he has worked extremely hard to make the most of what are by world class standards quite limited gifts. If in a different life he had been a marine he would probably have been just as succesful.

Interestingly every year, Marines from Lympstone play exeter city in a charity football match at St James park. I went along to watch this years. The Marines were good and although beaten I think 2-0 or 2-1 aquitted themselves well. However they were nowhere near as fit as their pro counterparts.

I honestly think you understrimate the toughness required to forge a career in football.

[HarryAVFC]

One of the most serious errors of perception is that members of elite forces, like the Royal Marines, are extraordinarily fit. The Royal Marines and other elite units are regarded as super-athletes. In line with this emphasis on purely physical performance, the public have generally been fascinated by the specific physical tests which Royal Marines and other elites forces undergo. It is true that Royal Marines are fit by the woeful standards of the general British public but in reality, the Royal Marines’ fitness is not extraordinary, although the Royal Marines have attracted a disproportionate number of athletes of international standard. Generally marines are as fit as serious amateur sports players. Here the parallel ends. The Royal Marines are not trained to be athletes and to focus purely on their physical tests as sporting achievements is to mis-perceive the nature of Royal Marines training and indeed the role of the tests themselves. Royal Marines are trained to operate in a demanding and dangerous environment. Their training is intended to develop fortitude. Exceptional performance is superfluous but consistent performance, whatever the conditions, is required. Royal Marines must have the fortitude to carry out tasks when they are tired and when the tasks seem almost overwhelming. They must have the moral courage to persist. Commando units rely above all upon the ability of their members simply to endure.

http://www.people.ex.ac.uk/acking/Papers/RMethos4.doc

According to this report Royal Marines are not as fit as pro ahtletes, it is the mental fortitude they have developed which carries them through battle when most would have given up.

[AJtothemax]

Bigdog i am no where near underestimating them. I know how tough it is to become a professional, and thats because i have trained at semi-pro level with Rugby and that can be hard enough, especially when you're training with players with vast experience - trust me, i have a strong appreciation of what it takes to be a pro.

I still believe that the Royal Marines are physically and mentally tougher than football players.

HarryAVFC i see your point but the fact remains clear that a RM would destroy a football player with physical fitness - forget about skill, that has nothing to do with what is being said here.

Put this into context, allow a RM to recieve all the beniefts a pro footballer does - watch the results with the physical and mental side of things (remember we're not including skill here because that has nothing to do with it).

This is what i personally believe - Once again, Beckham. The world watched in the 2006 World Cup as he threw up in the match, he hadn't even gone the whole game and he was substituted. Now, this was probably an official decision by Sven, but thats a little bit off topic, what im trying to say is, if that was in training do you think he would of continued if he was allowed to?? A commando would, and even if beckham did i dont believe he would be able to push himself further than a RM.

So, not to attack one player inparticular, i'll speak in generalities ok. Switch the lives around. The mental strength of a footballer would not be enough to ncarry through him what he hasn't trained for - BUT, a RM would be able to carry himself through a footballers physical training. A footballer would surcome to the constant bombardment of being exposed to the elements and having to carry his equipment.

Or, even it out - put them both on an equal footing, whether that be that the RM is subjected to pro footballer treatment or the pro footballer is subjected to RM treatment (by treatment i mean their lifestyle) - A RM would still come out ontop when it comes down to physical fitness.

That might sound hard on footballers but i hold a great deal of respect for their fitness and determination. But when they're put up against a RM, i still believe a RM would be able to carry himself through better than a pro footballer would, thats just my personal belief.

[mfat_man]

This is really a silly tedious subject... time for a lock Flo?

[rc]

Strength: We all know the answer to that.

Yeah - Pro footballers.
They are trained by top coaches who are very knowledgable.

AJ - You really don't have to be super fit to pass the Commando course.

Rich.

[Brian-]

AJ - Your points are all very well, but they are purely speculative aren't they?

[Brian-]

This is really a silly tedious subject... time for a lock Flo?

Hey it's not silly, it's about military fitness - probably the most relevant topic we've had for ages!

[mfat_man]

This is really a silly tedious subject... time for a lock Flo?

Hey it's not silly, it's about military fitness - probably the most relevant topic we've had for ages!

Brian

But it's not really about military fitness, it's pro footballers vs military fitness.... The sort of discussion you'd expect from people who have been on their gamestations too long