I concur with the right honourable gentleman that is TJD. The RAF Regt are still in existance because their bosses fight tooth & nail for any scrap of task that comes the airforce way. And bloody big hand to them too!
Only problem for them is, their gaffer is pulling the RAF Police more & more into roles they have been fulfilling for years.
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This thread has digressed slightly from the original post, however I feel it's worth adding to the recent points that have been raised.
The RAF Regt and RAF Police will be working a lot closer together in the future than they ever have done, due the fact that the RAF has finally realised that Force Protection is a bit of a bigger concept than putting everyone through CCS once year and hoping for the best.
Whether the Rocks or Scuffers like it or not, the futures of both organisations will rely on each other. They are mutually supporting, working towards providing joined-up FP for the RAF. Of course there are the other elements such as Medics, EOD, Firefighters, R.E.s, etc, but the RAF Regt and RAF Police are very much the 'bayonets' and 'handcuffs' on the ground.
TPW has now been integrated into the RAF FP C2 chain through Honington and the respective staff at STC are working together under the new CG. Dare I say it, but I'm sure the idea of integrating the RAF Regt and RAF Police, along the lines of the USAF SF, will rear its head again, as it always does every 10 years or so. Personally, I don't think it would work, as the policing and infantry worlds are very different. However, with the ever present threat of cuts, working together as separate organisations is probably better than getting the chop.
The RAF Regt and RAF Police will be working a lot closer together in the future than they ever have done, due the fact that the RAF has finally realised that Force Protection is a bit of a bigger concept than putting everyone through CCS once year and hoping for the best.
Whether the Rocks or Scuffers like it or not, the futures of both organisations will rely on each other. They are mutually supporting, working towards providing joined-up FP for the RAF. Of course there are the other elements such as Medics, EOD, Firefighters, R.E.s, etc, but the RAF Regt and RAF Police are very much the 'bayonets' and 'handcuffs' on the ground.
TPW has now been integrated into the RAF FP C2 chain through Honington and the respective staff at STC are working together under the new CG. Dare I say it, but I'm sure the idea of integrating the RAF Regt and RAF Police, along the lines of the USAF SF, will rear its head again, as it always does every 10 years or so. Personally, I don't think it would work, as the policing and infantry worlds are very different. However, with the ever present threat of cuts, working together as separate organisations is probably better than getting the chop.
re force protection issues
what worries me re the rafp and raf regt workin together
rafp officers trying to get into the act [sorry should i say "interchangeability"]
its a disaster waitin to happen
keep the raf police tactical provost wing, or whatever they want to call themselves these days....
thats a tongue in cheek comment no need for the
rafp members of the forum to get all ratty
the rafp are good at what they do
but in no way are they trained enough to deal with the threat that a field sqn trains for
but the old chestnut of rafp + raf regiment merging probably makes sense
to the bean-counters in the mod
i sincerely hope not
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This may come as a bit of a shock but we, the RAFP and RAF Regt have been working alongside and providing mutual support in complimentary activities for quite a few years, albeit it wasnt in those terms!
We know our limits as do they, although some boundaries have become fuzzy over the years, rightly or wrongly. I have mentioned this in RAFP forum before, but I have never had a problem working with/alogside the Regt provided that we both stick to what we are good at. I worked very closely with the Regt during Op Telic in '03 and we provided each other with our own expertise and it worked very well. This was down to the fact we all knew and recognised the skill sets that each has to offer.
In the overall scheme of things it was about time the FP picture was sorted out so we all know where we fit and how it will work.
There is asperations for more x-training of RAF Regt Officers and Provost Officers, good or bad, we shall see. It works in other specialities, brings strengths to other roles and learning at the same time, cant be a bad thing.
No matter what, both Trades will retain their own identities, as they are forged in steel and will not be lost through time. Both have strong identities which will ensure they endure.
TPW, one of the reasons behind the change of name, from its previous title was down to funding. I understand that more cash is allocated to front line units, those which are 'Tactical' hence the name.
My tuppence worth.
We know our limits as do they, although some boundaries have become fuzzy over the years, rightly or wrongly. I have mentioned this in RAFP forum before, but I have never had a problem working with/alogside the Regt provided that we both stick to what we are good at. I worked very closely with the Regt during Op Telic in '03 and we provided each other with our own expertise and it worked very well. This was down to the fact we all knew and recognised the skill sets that each has to offer.
In the overall scheme of things it was about time the FP picture was sorted out so we all know where we fit and how it will work.
There is asperations for more x-training of RAF Regt Officers and Provost Officers, good or bad, we shall see. It works in other specialities, brings strengths to other roles and learning at the same time, cant be a bad thing.
No matter what, both Trades will retain their own identities, as they are forged in steel and will not be lost through time. Both have strong identities which will ensure they endure.
TPW, one of the reasons behind the change of name, from its previous title was down to funding. I understand that more cash is allocated to front line units, those which are 'Tactical' hence the name.
My tuppence worth.
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Quite how you managed to derive that from my last post is beyond me.RobT wrote:Devils_Advocate why have you got a mega chip on your shoulder regarding Rocks? Whats the story behind that
Is this statement indicative of someone who holds a grudge against the Regt?I have never had a problem working with/alongside the Regt provided that we both stick to what we are good at. I worked very closely with the Regt during Op Telic in '03 and we provided each other with our own expertise and it worked very well. This was down to the fact we all knew and recognised the skill sets that each has to offer.
I have a problem with 'wannabe' rocks.
They think RAF Regt is some gucci outfit that outstrips many other infantry units and makes comparisons with our more elite units.
Not withstanding RAF Regt do probably have a wider trg regime than some infantry regiments, it doesn't make them the dogs kahoona's!
That's why we've taken over several key FP roles from RAF Regt. TPW may not train on the heavier weapons, but trust me when I say, it's a feather in our cap when TPW are requested to work along side 'specialist units' over RAF Regt & RMP.
Let's just say, every trade has it's fair share of tossers, and by the nature of some of our duties, our tossers are more in the lime light than others. But the nature of the beast has changed, alot of our lads couldn't quote chapter & verse from MAFL or QR's, but they can stag on as command post signallers, tasked to protect VVIP's, give QBO's and perform anti ambush drills - foot & veh.
We work well together because most of the RAF Regt aren't jumped up tossers, but we will always be second best! Our officers (most) are too career orientated & don't give 2 hoots about the lads. RAF Regt seem to have better officers - they look after their lads better & fight for jobs rather rolling over like ours.
Sorry rant over...... I really am a nice guy, & in 16 years have only arrested tossers for serious offences. Honest, I really am!
They think RAF Regt is some gucci outfit that outstrips many other infantry units and makes comparisons with our more elite units.
Not withstanding RAF Regt do probably have a wider trg regime than some infantry regiments, it doesn't make them the dogs kahoona's!
(RAF Police)but in no way are they trained enough to deal with the threat that a field sqn trains for
That's why we've taken over several key FP roles from RAF Regt. TPW may not train on the heavier weapons, but trust me when I say, it's a feather in our cap when TPW are requested to work along side 'specialist units' over RAF Regt & RMP.
Let's just say, every trade has it's fair share of tossers, and by the nature of some of our duties, our tossers are more in the lime light than others. But the nature of the beast has changed, alot of our lads couldn't quote chapter & verse from MAFL or QR's, but they can stag on as command post signallers, tasked to protect VVIP's, give QBO's and perform anti ambush drills - foot & veh.
We work well together because most of the RAF Regt aren't jumped up tossers, but we will always be second best! Our officers (most) are too career orientated & don't give 2 hoots about the lads. RAF Regt seem to have better officers - they look after their lads better & fight for jobs rather rolling over like ours.
Sorry rant over...... I really am a nice guy, & in 16 years have only arrested tossers for serious offences. Honest, I really am!
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Don't you mean 16 and a bit ? Cse 400 wasn't it lar?Sorry rant over...... I really am a nice guy, & in 16 years have only arrested tossers for serious offences. Honest, I really am!
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The text below was posted on another site recently by the man you accused of having a "mega chip" on his shoulder! Just goes to show how wrong you can be doesn't it RobT?RobT wrote:Devils_Advocate why have you got a mega chip on your shoulder regarding Rocks? Whats the story behind that
Along with DA I'd like to offer my sincere congratulations to QCS on completion of what is a remarkable challenge for a great cause!On 17 April 2005 a 9-man squad from the Queen's Colour Squadron of the Royal Air Force completed a 26 mile ceremonial march during the 25th Flora London Marathon.
The squad, assisted by 6 support staff, completed in-excess of 300,000 drill movements during the march which took 6 hours and 55 minutes at the RAF drill regulation 30 inch pace at 116 paces a minute.
The squad, led by Sergeant Andrew Henderson were all were dressed in full RAF ceremonial uniform and carrying drill rifles. Of particular note was the squads' footwear - traditional Second World War 'AP' boots - metal studded leather soles and leather made rock hard by melting beeswax into it with a blow torch before being 'bulled' to a high shine.
The squad, raised money for a number of charities including the London Air Ambulance, Hillingdon Hospital Baby Care Unit and a child suffering from MS who lives in Ipswich. The full squad is as follows:
Team Leader: Sergeant Henderson
Squad: Corporal Stearman, Senior Aircraftman Owen, Senior Aircraftman Leak. Senior Aircraftman Hall, Senior Aircraftman Harvey, Senior Aircraftman Dawson, Senior Aircraftman Davies, Senior Aircraftman Brennan
Support: Sergeant Langley, Sergeant MacDonald, Senior Aircraftman Stavropoulos, Senior Aircraftman Palfrey, Senior Aircraftman Halsall, Leading Aircraftman Wood.
Well done Fellas
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