Hand to hand combat ???

[judy29]

during a fighting held by delta force i was taught the deadly art of FEATHER FIGHTING i can now pull anyones spine out at will, even when asleep......................

[RobT]

I know the Mysteries of acient shaolin Kung Fu. And Mr Miagee was my DAD SO NERRRRRR!

[Blue Streak]

Just read this thread with interest...a comment made much earlier slagged off judo and made it sound like a difficult and technical way of 'fighting'. I would argue that is in fact quite simple and throws only require 'gross motor' skills unlike aikido which often uses 'fine motor' skills. It has been proven that in the stress of fighting the brain can only cope with gross motor skills and as such an effective and simple throw would suffice. Anyone who has been thrown before will agree it bloody hurts. Once on the floor, which is where most fights end up, judo comes into its own with its extensive range of grappling techniques. Don't get me wrong it has its disadvantages...mainly that you have to get close to someone. However in the relms of self defence technically the aggressor will be coming to come, so that solves that problem. Ju Jitsu involves Judo but also has a great deal of aggressive moves, strikes etc so gives an alround base. But l would have to say as a fitness enhancing form of self defence which is not overtly aggressive (Like kicks to the head) Judo is pretty good.

[Jason The Argonaut]

Just read this thread with interest...a comment made much earlier slagged off judo and made it sound like a difficult and technical way of 'fighting'. I would argue that is in fact quite simple and throws only require 'gross motor' skills unlike aikido which often uses 'fine motor' skills. It has been proven that in the stress of fighting the brain can only cope with gross motor skills and as such an effective and simple throw would suffice. Anyone who has been thrown before will agree it bloody hurts. Once on the floor, which is where most fights end up, judo comes into its own with its extensive range of grappling techniques. Don't get me wrong it has its disadvantages...mainly that you have to get close to someone. However in the relms of self defence technically the aggressor will be coming to come, so that solves that problem. Ju Jitsu involves Judo but also has a great deal of aggressive moves, strikes etc so gives an alround base. But l would have to say as a fitness enhancing form of self defence which is not overtly aggressive (Like kicks to the head) Judo is pretty good.

Blue Streak your right judo is good, I did Judo for about 3 years and found it great. Got the chance to represent my club in a competition in France, beat 3 French guy's and won the Gold medal. You should have seen the smile on my face , there's nothing like beating up 3 French guy's and getting a Gold medal for it.

[redeye321]

I have read that in the parachute Regiment part of your training is milling, they give you a red T-Shirt so not to show any blood and stick you in a ring and give you 3 min to beat the ?@$& out of your opponent. Does this happen just in the Parachute Regiment or do all infantrymen undergo this as part of their trainning?

[Jason Bourne]

[Jason Bourne]

[Grimey Vibes]

So the point is, to defend yourself take up semi-contact sports like kickboxing or boxing. JKD (jeet kun do(e) is good because they deal with all styles including the aggressive street fighter, Wing chun is good they have their own form of 'sticky hands' called Who bud (spelling?) where you perfect your trapping by 'feeling' you partners movements and force trying to sense the next move. Its all good if you want a 'hands-on' approach to martial arts. I have never fancied ninjitsu but I have taken moves out to use in class, there is a lot of fancy stuff in ninjitsu but there is a little bit of good stuff

Its actully called Chi Sao (Sticking Hands), i think that all martial arts are better than none in a street fight.

[Mal]

The Parachute Regiment do have a milling contest during the P-Company stage of training. P-Company is a unique course held at Catterick Garrison, which only Para Recruits, or Parachute Trained army personnel go on, not all the infantry, therefore is not part of other infantry's trainign programme. Basically your given a pair of boxing gloves and told to beat the sh1t out of your m8 for 60seconds. The point been? To show controlled agression (stop when you are told) and that you actually have the guts to beat the sh1t out of someone if you had too. The Paras dont want lads who cant or wont defend themselfs shud the situation arise. You also loose points or get failed for ducking/dodging your apoinent, so its not actually proper boxing. Also if you dont show the right level of agression, you are told to fight again!

Apart from that, as far as I am aware, the Paras are the only military unit which go through this, with the exception of the special forces and purhaps the marines.

Mal

[lew]

Do marines do milling aswell then???


lew

[Mal]

Well I could be wrong, but I dont think they do milling. However I have heard from different people in the past that they do, do some un-armed combat training, for example, how to disable or defend one-self against an opponent standing up, whilst you are laying on the ground, etc.

[MikeB]

right heres my two pence.

USE YOUR HEAD.

most fights are conversation range, grab 'em, nut 'em and whack 'em.
You'll be too close for a kick or a solid punch, buy the time youve nutted him he wont know whats going on so follow up with a good old smack to finish off the job.

I dont care if you have 100 years of martial arts experience if someone goes straight from arguing with you to head butting you. You will go down hurt.

I belive some one like Geoff Thompson or Bruce Lee would tell you this.

WIng Chun, JKD etc involve moves like this.

[El Prez]

Well I could be wrong, but I dont think they do milling. However I have heard from different people in the past that they do, do some un-armed combat training, for example, how to disable or defend one-self against an opponent standing up, whilst you are laying on the ground, etc.

Well that brightened my evening. Thanks. Now I know how to disable myself before lying down and letting an armless opponent Mill the shit out of me.

[rawli]

if someone goes to headbutt u then they will ever bring their heads back to do it (in which case you can easily turn it around) or go straight in with little or no power and the only place it might possible hurt is the bridge of the nose and on a dark night after a few beers that is probably not going to be an easy target to hit. If I had the choice of fighting a drunk soldier (a common sight in my town!) or my tae kwon do insructor I think I know who I'd choose!

[anglo-saxon]

When I was ten years old I was attacked at school by two older kids in the boys' crapper. There had been "words" in the playground and they reckoned they were going to sort me out. One grabbed me around the arms and chest from behind, while the other came towards me from the front. If I'd have thought about it too long (or at all), I probably would have taken a kicking, so thank f#$% for instinct (and for having two bruisers as older brothers). The one behind me got a reverse headbut right in the nose, a second before his girlfriend got a swift kick in the nads. They both went down screeming like tarts and received a severe kicking from little yours truly while in their distinctly unidignified fetal positions. Albeit that they bubbled me and I got a good caning from the headmaster, I recall a distinct sense of self-satisfaction and reassurance being gained from the experience.

There was lost of scrapping through school and later. No one ever got stabbed or anything back then, though. Here in Canada, stabbings are a frequent outcome of bar fights. Too bad lads can't just slug it out and have done with it, these days!

When I did my unarmed combat intructor course at the PT School at Bulford in the mid-80's, the first rule was always, "be armed". Even an improvised weapon is better than nothing, but then I'm talking the difference between "combat" and bar scraps. Martial arts can take you only so far. Unarmed combat is usually a mix of various martial arts and the dirtiest street fighting you could imagine. Sure, there's some aikido and such in there, but there's a fine line between putting the guy in a goose neck to "help" him into the van and doing it to put him in the most favourable positing in which to drive the toe of your combat boot through his sternum.

Most martial arts, as taught in the western world, are too sports oriented to be overly effective in "battle" these days, I feel. Having said that both my boys passed their TKD yellow belt tests (bless 'em!) last month. It's only a matter of time before they'll reckon they can take on the old man. I was busy giving my 7 year-old a talking too the other day about how he needs to take things a bit more seriously) and he comes back with, "your powers do not scare me, bald one!" He learned a new pressure point that day (funny how THOSE lessons stick!). Afterwards I had a little chuckle at the humour of what he'd said. Little bugger! I can't imagine where he gets it from!