Thinking about death.

[ChrisBell]

In the words of the samurai, when you die, it is your time to go.
Regards

Yes this is exactly how i feel what will be will be so just get on with it!!

[AJtothemax]

Far greater chance of getting killed in traffic than getting slotted in a war zone. It's not something you think about any more than the chances of getting hit by a double decker on your way to work in the morning. If you're going to make a fuss of coming to terms with dying before joining the Forces, you should do the same before you leave your front door.

That is exactly what I say to people that ask me why do i want to to join 3cdo, get sent to war and get killed for no reason. I think its funny that everyone else (most civves) think you join the corps just to kill, it is to make a difference, going to war and killing someone is not a thing that crosses my mind, the thing that crosses my mind when people like that "try" and express their opinion to make me not want to join (as if), is that what job do you do? do you enjoy it?.. lol a very slim amount of people will say they enjoy what they do.. I am sure i will love what i will do, coz i love it so far..

anyway enough babbling, i need to go shop.

Kyle.

Kyle

In a way well said mate. But i still dont agree with all this bullsh*t that people who are only about 18-20yrs who know nothing about life really talking about 'the way of the samurai' and all that crap. I knew it was going to happen, i really dont believe you'll stick to that when you people die some day, thats the last thing you'll be thinking about. Say the samurai did think like that, its because they were raised that way - fact. You on the other hand, may not be. Thats a big judgement to make but i couldnt see alot of you sticking by those words, thats just complete crap to me. Im not knocking the way of the samurai and the 'warrior honour' thing, that itself is amazing, but when people lay some sort of claim to it - no, no way mate, im sorry but no way.

You want advice on life, talk to your parents. Although everyones different i know mine will always be there for me no matter what, even when they're gone god bless em, i know they'll always be there with me, guiding me and stuff. Some life lessons my parents taught me, my dad inparticular, i will never forget and i will pass the same ones on some day.

I just really cant see how some of you can agree with this 'warrior' stuff when most of you have never been in REAL imminent danger where someone is actually setting about to shove a knife through your throat or blow your f*cking head off or whatever.

You want that sort of experience in words, dont read it in a book - talk to a war veteran or someone who has experienced combat, if they're willing to talk to you and you pay them the ut-most respect then maybe you'll get some sort of a feel, but of course it will never touch the real thing until you've been there and done it - the fear, a rush maybe, what was going through their minds etc.

It just kind of amazes me, the effect of actually destroying someones life, some people will talk about without actually grasping the situation - if they deserved it (terrorists etc) the yeah, i'll say that with a hand on my heart - "F*** EM!" simply because these people will hold no remorse destroying you because they believe 'allah' is calling them to do this and we wont ever change their minds. You've also got to think about collateral damage or a blue on blue (friendly fire)?? How do you think that would effect you, perhaps thinking "my god...i just machine gunned this building and killed this little child.." now i pray that never happens, but it really put it out there for me when i read a book about the recent gulf war. It was called 'Generation Kill' and it was about Bravo Company of the U.S marines force recon, and their journey from kuwait to baghdad. Pretty good read but it put a light on how messed up some of the things are in war. One of the recon marines shoots up a car with his M249 SAW that failed to stop at a raod block, killing the driver. He goes over to clear the vehicle and find a little girl in the back, her eyes open, frozen in one spot. He picks her up talking to her, suddenly the top of her head falls off and her brain comes out and slops all over his boots, its even described the marine nearly slipping over from it in detail. That marine wasn't really the same again throughout the entire war. What does that say to you?? Yeah it brings to mind gun-toting americans but can you imagine the effect that had on that marine? I really dont think so.

War's f*cked up and its always going to be that way, we as humans are remarkable survivors but we are also remarkable at destroying each other, an example of this is the nuclear weapon. Unless you've been into combat you cant actually grasp its effects, so dont ever be too quick to quote things that the samurai have said.

This will probably draw alot of critics and thats more than welcome, nothing i can do about it. Despite that being jumbled at times i hope someone on here has grasped what ive put out there.

By the way, this definately isn't anti-military, i cant wait to join the RM and with strength i'll go all the way because its what i want in life. But i am joining up for the main reason that i hope to do some good in the world, i just feel its my place. That may change afetr i se what its really like out there, who knows, but i'll remain true to myself about who i am and what i stand for and i will never change.

Anyone else???

[ali_hire]

Some interesting views there AJ, but you haven't half gone off on a tangent.

I don't think anyone was claiming to know too much about Samuaris, all I can see there is an old saying/proverb which still holds a lot of relevance. I think a lot of people feel that way about death.

I don't quite understand what you were getting at?

[ChrisBell]

Ali_hire said

I don't think anyone was claiming to know too much about Samuaris, all I can see there is an old saying/proverb which still holds a lot of relevance.

This is pretty much spot on what i was going to say, remember AJ my question was peoples thoughts on themselves dying not the effects that war can have on people that is a whole other thread you have brought up there!
Also when people quote the samurai for instance all there doing is saying how they like to think of death for themselves as i like to think when my times up its up thats just how i deal with it. Another thing AJ dont always judge what peoples life experience is by there age as you can get some very mature young people out there that have gone through a hell of a alot of stuff.

[Ste Preece]

Yes that was an interesting view, but I feel you missed my point. People die in all walks of life, in all kinds of ways and situations. Ultimately, WE ALL DIE at some point. How or when, usually we have no choice. It could be in the heat of battle, it could be crossing the road, or anyway or anywhere for that matter really.

I quoted the Samurai, because they say they believe it was your time when you die. I liked this and as a ninja I also believe this, so its my opinion. And like everybody else, I'm entitled to one. I don't believe in coincidence, I believe certain things in life are meant happen. No one is predicting anything. Its more of a way of accepting a fact of life or death for that matter.

However, whatever, where ever or whenever, it will happen is down to fate, but like I said it will happen to all of us one day. So what's the point of worrying or whinging about it.

You just need to get on with it.

Regards

Steve

ps. I wasn't raised that way. Like other bootnecks & Soldiers, I was fearless. I learn't the ways of the Samurai some years after leaving the Corps.

pss: War & Combat is a dirty game, but soldiers don't whinge about it, they just get on with it.

[AJtothemax]

Yes that was an interesting view, but I feel you missed my point. People die in all walks of life, in all kinds of ways and situations. Ultimately, WE ALL DIE at some point. How or when, usually we have no choice. It could be in the heat of battle, it could be crossing the road, or anyway or anywhere for that matter really.

I quoted the Samurai, because they say they believe it was your time when you die. I liked this and as a ninja I also believe this, so its my opinion. And like everybody else, I'm entitled to one. I don't believe in coincidence, I believe certain things in life are meant happen. No one is predicting anything. Its more of a way of accepting a fact of life or death for that matter.

However, whatever, where ever or whenever, it will happen is down to fate, but like I said it will happen to all of us one day. So what's the point of worrying or whinging about it.

You just need to get on with it.

Regards

Steve

ps. I wasn't raised that way. Like other bootnecks & Soldiers, I was fearless. I learn't the ways of the Samurai some years after leaving the Corps.

pss: War & Combat is a dirty game, but soldiers don't whinge about it, they just get on with it.

I never meant to reference to you ok, just want to clear that one up.

I dont think i have gone off alot really guys, i was trying to reference things that i thought were relevant e.g. the american shooting the car, thats all about death, it could be the death of your soul followed by your body, or even the opposite way around, who knows?!

I haven't argued against the point that when people say 'when its your time to go, its your time', because i totally agree with that and if you look in my earlier posts i have pretty much said that ok.

And about me judging some people, i am never quick to judge ok nor and am i or in most cases will i ever be fit to judge someone, i was simply putting it across that most of us who havent served cant say anything about 'the way of a warrior', im sorry but you cant just grasp it fully without being brought up as one or trained as one. If that offends you then so be it but i dont really believe you, but thats ok, i would never hold it against someone and if i was proved wrong i would stand and say i was wrong to whoever. Also i have also said that everyone is entitled to their opinion ok, i may have said it differently but it is unmissable.

Does that sound fair enough??

[mfat_man]

Some interesting views there AJ, but you haven't half gone off on a tangent.

AJ.. on the net... going off on a tangent....NEVER!!!

[Ste Preece]

Aj, I introduced the Samurai beliefs into this thread, which is why I answered your post. This is nothing more than just another debate and people expressing their opinions. Yours is valued along with everybody elses my friend.

All the very best.


Steve

[AJtothemax]

Yeah i understand that, thanks alot fellas anyway.

Mfat_man sod right off

[jazzie]

Well, seems to have problems with civvies-view of war, but that view could change if they saw whats really going on in the forces...cause the most of the people i know, with whom i trained and learned, well we received good background in school learning,BUT in life's stuff too...I used too, go to a catholic school (with uniforms and all that...mum says that where my aberration with army comes... ), and for me personally, it's just another way of serving the world, because while i'm here i'd like to contribute something to it..., and not just live for myself, like it's realy á la mode with the youngster like me.
Death, well, i hope it happens when i pushed all of my limits to the maximum,when i know and seen everything i needed to. I KNOW it sounds like some esoteric blah-blah, but i believe that everybody has a destiny, everybody shoud listen to it and go for it! ! ! and if it's army/navy/whatever for you, you would'nt want to let yourself down, well, i wouldn't anyway
but i'm a bit off-topic...so , basically, i agree with AJ there, and i don't want to rewrite all that he has said...

as usual: train hard, keep safe

[SiD]

Hmmm very very spooky....
couldnt sleep well last night for thinking about death, found out last night an old pal of mine died. Funnily enough his name.. Chris Bell.
Spooky or what? Not logged on to site for ages and first post I see is this.

As for my personal sentiments on death, I wanna live to be at least 100, with viagra its now not so bad being an old fella !!!

[KJ-Edwards]

My bestfriend died in front of me when I was 12 (f**ked me up for quite a while), so i guess when my time comes i will be able to fill him in with all my Marine experiences.

[thuny]

nobody can be fully sure what happens after death.,., sure you can fear it as its the unknown but also it could be a way to a better life without work without stress., freedom everyone has their own form of heaven.,

guess we'l all just have to see and accept the fate were given.

[ChrisBell]

found out last night an old pal of mine died. Funnily enough his name.. Chris Bell.

Sh*t that is spooky!!