Fat loss and muscle building

[euro_andrew]

Cheers for all your help!

I will be a RM Commando superman in no time.

lol when you coming back to fitness?

[AJtothemax]

No worries Andy

I will be a RM Commando superman in no time.

Just remember its more mental strength than anything, keep up the good work.

I'll be back into training late Nov - early Dec, doctors orders But im sticking to them otherwise i'll be asking for injury again, something i dont want, i've suffered enough - i refuse to accept myself as a failure, im going to get my chance to see what im made of soon enough....just wait

[AJtothemax]

Hmm, sunds like a challenge to me, but dont worry, im on it

[thundersafety]

AJ

First of all let me say that you have posted some great advice on here for people it seems as if you really have done lots of training.

I just have a couple of queries regarding one or two things you said, please dont take this as a "im trying to argue with you" just wanted to put forward my own views. Ok ill go in order

1-

A higher protein content for you will be beneficial as it will help lean your muscles out

I think I know what you mean on this but it's not possible to actually lean a muscle out, you can change its size and even the tone of it a bit but im not sure you can lean it out, removing the fat from around it will make it that body part 'lean'.

2-

e.g. if you were consuming 250g of protien

I think that is quite a lot more protein than people need, i know you were using it as an example but this amount of protein would definately explain why euro andrew had some stomach issues!!

3 -

note, sure bodybuilding type training gets you bigger - but be warned! You lose flexibility

Not as long as you maintain your flexibility as your are bulking



Right now I need to say that 99% of what you have written has been excellent advice and its great that you take that much time to help people out so good on you

And like I said these are only my opinions but id appreciate your views.


Oh and finally....

Just remember its more mental strength than anything, keep up the good work.

Couldn't agree more mate

[AJtothemax]

Thundersafety no worries. Yeah i appreciate what you have said, im glad someone has picked up a few snags which i should have been more descriptive on.

About the leaning - yes you can build the muscle and tone it but to lean to out, yes you need to loose the fat.

250g of protien was just an example, yes that is quote alot and thats for someone looking for hard gains in muscle, before i was once consuming roughly that amount, if not more!

With the bodybuilding and flex hahaha, mate, you try flexability training when every muscle in your body feels like its been cut open and then set on fire , dont get me wrong though, eventually you learn to love it but THAT type of training definately doesn't help it.

Thanks alot though, i appreciate your comments as im glad someone has picked up a few snags in what i have said.

Wish you all the best.

[Brian-]

I hate all the 'muscles are bad' stuff you see round here. People seem to think if you lift a weight you'll 'accidentally' turn into the Hulk overnight and be an unfit musclebound oaf.

Have a read of this article: http://www.rosstraining.com/articles/st ... ining.html

And have look at www.crossfit.com. Some of the guys there are very fit, strong, flexible, and powerful - basically the whole package. A lot of their training involves weights for strength and power, along with loads of bodyweight conditioning exercises to create type of functional strength a gymnast has.

Basically, weights aren't just for making your biceps bigger!

[AJtothemax]

Hey brian ive been on ross training before and ross boxing, ive even emailed the guy, he knows his stuff! Top marks go out Ross, if you need info, either email him or if you want to, purchase some of his stuff - coming from me: Hes good!

He's definately clued up on how to train and when im back on my feet and training im supposed to email the guy again if i have any problems. But please, this guy isnt for time wasters ok, if you're not prepared to train hard and put the dedication in: **** IT OFF! DONT EVEN BOTHER! This guy is hardcore and knows that a true champion goes even further when it seems that it cant be done!

Glad someone knows about this guy. Hes an American by the way incase no one knows.

Brian i can personally attest to what you have said - coming from a rugby and boxing background. Alot of the lads at rugby are big fellas and they are quite fit guys, the same goes down the boxing gym, theres some big lads in there (crazy as well) and their fitness isn't to be underestimated. You get lads in both (rugby and boxing) throwing up and carrying on. Incase youve never done that before - it feels G R E A T

Some of these guys are big and they are without a doubt - MACHINES!

Thats what i want to be, a machine! I want to do press-ups till my knuckles bleed and then go play a full game of rugby or hit the bag for 5 rounds or spar with someone.

Love it!!

All down to your mentality lads, nothing more!

Royal Marines Commando - Strength Of Mind.

Say no more

[Worthers Original]

Why would you want to focus your training on building muscle? Building strength I can understand but why add bulk to your frame? Your body already has a certain level of muscle, a level specific to the demands you make of it, train to get the most out of that through progressive exercise and don't worry about looking buff to draw admiring whistles from the PTis when you're in your speedos.

If you focus your training on getting fitter and stronger, whilst staying healthy, you'll have a better chance on your PRMC/RT. If you need to drop a few pounds then do it sensibly with a balanced diet.

[AJtothemax]

Worthers Original what you on about?? Did you not read the title of this topic?? 'Fat loss and muscle building' This has nothing to do with focusing on looking good, sure if you want that then ok but thats not what this is based on.

Everyone here knows that.

This is aimed at helping people WHO WANT TO BUILD MUSCLE - nothing more, it has nothing to do with looking 'buff', not sure anyone really cares. The 'buff' part just comes from comments you may recieve from your friends, family or gf, thats just a simple result of building muscle. This is not aimed at that.

I might be jumping the gun somewhat so please, help me out here on what exactly it is that you're trying to say. Im not having a go.

[Worthers Original]

.... I might be jumping the gun somewhat so please, help me out here on what exactly it is that you're trying to say. Im not having a go.

Building muscle requires a specific focus on taking your existing muscles to their current potential and then overloading them so that the muscles grow to cope with the increased workload. Why would you want to do that if you are preparing for PRMC or RT? What purpose does it serve? Ok, if you are under the minimum weight limit I can see some point in increasing your bodyweight with a higher proportion of usable muscle over fat but otherwise why would you do it? Why make it a focus of your training?

If you can build your level of pressups, for example, upto 60 and don't build an extra ounce of muscle then that has obvious advantages when you are hauling yourself round the 3 miler.

Your body is quite a clever machine and will, within your own genetic profile, build muscle to suit the specifics of the demands you make of it. I would train for the specific demands of PRMC and RT and leave your body to decide what muscle you need. Chances are you already have all the muscles you need you just need to start getting more use out of their potential.

[AJtothemax]

You're still missing the point of this topic. You're right in every aspect of what you are saying but that isn't the point of this topic. I have been quite frequently asked by people who have just come on this site and looked and found my post about how to put on muscle. I have done my best to guide them in the best way i can.

Andy is an example of this and i have stressed to him the importance of not bulking up too much. He has effectively absorbed the information i have given him and worked it to his advantage - anyone who is mis-led as to what i am typing or needs some guidence should be mature and smart enough to ask questions before they even undertake such a task, and if they havent then i am not goin to be held accountable for any mistakes they might have made because they didnt bother to ask. Anyone who takes on a training regieme should get as much information as possible about it before they even attempt it, thats just common sense. This is a serious topic.

This is not a reflection of my guidence skills and if you're in anyway implying that i am dishing out bad advice then sod off! Who the hell do you think you are? I would like to repeat the statement 'you're still missing the point of this topic'. This topic is designed for what it is titled. Nothing more. Obviously though if someone should pop in a diffferent question that is related to this, then yeah ok.

If i am in anyway over reacting then please say so and we'll see if we can get it sorted, whether you are implying this or not - i am in no way dishing out bad advice to anyone and i will NOT be classed as one of those w****** that logs onto this site and gives out stupid and dangerous information!

If this topic did not have some sort of relevance to MFAT then i really don't believe that the mod's would of made it a sticky, do you? And if you believe otherwise then i would perhaps suggest that you a making a mark against a mod's decision making ability.

What you are posting here has nothing to do with this topic so why are you doing it?? Please dont, i can see your perspective but it still has nothing to do with what is here. I dont wish to argue but it seems in a way that you are attacking what i have taken the time and effort to post for the benefit of all who wish to digest this information and use it correctly.

Once again, if this is a big misunderstanding then i apologise but i still remain firm on what i have typed up. Thank you.

[Brian-]

If this topic did not have some sort of relevance to MFAT then i really don't believe that the mod's would of made it a sticky, do you? And if you believe otherwise then i would perhaps suggest that you a making a mark against a mod's decision making ability..

I must say, I did wonder why it was made a sticky. Not saying it's crap or anything, but there are loads of brilliant threads that have disappeared into the murky depths...

[Worthers Original]

Once again, if this is a big misunderstanding then i apologise but i still remain firm on what i have typed up. Thank you.

Your reaction is a suprise to me to be honest. I had a quick read back of what I've posted and I've neither referenced you or anything you've posted here so I'm not sure why you seem to have taken my posts as some sort of personal slight against you. My posts are on the general subject and actually opened with a question, maybe someone who does aim to build muscle in their preperation for PRMC et al would like to forward an answer.

I'd hoped to engage in the general discussion but I shall just s*d off instead.