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protein/creatine shakes quick question
I took creatine a couple of times, the only time I had a problem with it was when my left eye started to twitch but that was about 5 months ago and I had a break for 3-4 weeks I took it again and not very often I get a twitch in some of my muscles, just make sure you up the ante of water intake and you will feel like a strong brute
Your body doesn't just go around storing all sorts of vitamins and minerals! Do you think if we could just stockpile nutrients we'd all just eat 35 portions of fruit or veg on a Sunday and not worry for the rest of the week. Your body absorbs as much as it can in most cases then just sends the rest to the waste exits.
There are some exceptions ie bananas, where if you eat 36 (or so) your body can't cope with the amount of potassium and you die.
Upon reflection I doubt the kind of person that eats 36 portions of any food in one sitting is reading these boards....my knowledge is wasted
There are some exceptions ie bananas, where if you eat 36 (or so) your body can't cope with the amount of potassium and you die.
Upon reflection I doubt the kind of person that eats 36 portions of any food in one sitting is reading these boards....my knowledge is wasted
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AIB: Passed 28 June '06
AIB round 2: Failed!
PRMC: 26 June '07: Passed
RT: 24th Sept '07
Week 27 - Final Ex after Easter leave - blargh
Mrs Bevell of the AIB is still officially the nicest lady in the world.
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mancuniankid
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I used to take Creatine but i stopped a few weeks ago. Today i went and bought 2 whey protein milkshakes drinks net weight of 903g each. £9.99 each they were.
Gone on a strict diet now ready for training as i want to go there in the best possible shape.
Gone on a strict diet now ready for training as i want to go there in the best possible shape.
PB's
1.5-8.43
3miler-18.41
Bleep Test -Lv 13
Press ups-64
Sit ups-84
Pull Ups-16
1.5-8.43
3miler-18.41
Bleep Test -Lv 13
Press ups-64
Sit ups-84
Pull Ups-16
Hey guys, I don't post very often but I thought I'd just add my tu'pence worth.
Firstly Letsrole, you were close with how Creatine is utilised by your body, however its not quite accurate at some parts.
Basically, the only compound available in your body to create movement is adenosine triphoshate (ATP). ATP is stored in the muscles and because of this there is only a small amount available at anyone time, meaning that it can only fuel about two seconds of movement. To keep producing movement our bodies need to resynthasise ATP and this is done through three energy systems, the first is the phosphocreatine (PC), or alactacid system.
ATP has (as the name suggests) three phosphate groups and the energy of this compound is found in the bond between groups two and three. When this bond is broken by the enzyme ATPase, energy is released that can be used by the muscle cell to contract. This then leaves the compound ADP (adenosine diphosphate). Now as PC is a high energy compound, this can provide the necessary energy to combine the P to the ADP, and therefore resynthasise ATP.
Wow, heavy stuff eh? Now this combined ATP/PC system can only last for approximately 10 seconds in total, meaning, as was said before that is this is the primary energy system for explosive movements, not endurance.
Creatine is a protein made naturally in the body from three amino acids, glycine, arginine and methionine. External sources can be found in fish, beef, and pork (although to become performance boosting, at least 2kg per day of those foods would need to be consumed).
Creatine supplementation usually raises muscle PC stores by around 20%, with increases in strength, speed and recovery rate, and therefore a greater capacity for higher training volumes being the effect of this product.
For athletes whose disciplines need explosive power and strength such and sprinters, power lifters and rugby players, creatine supplementation can be beneficial. Other athletes who require less explosive power such as marathon runners or cyclists also benefit from creatine, although the water retention that occurs from “loading” is actually detrimental (paradoxically sprinters suffer from the same problem) because of the added weight that is then carried by the athlete. Recent studies show that altering the traditional loading dose of creatine and reducing it, yields the same results without the side effect of weight gain and water retention.
So back to the original question, as I understand it, recruits are discouraged from taking nutritional or pharmacological supplements such as protein or MR shakes; unless specifically recommended to by the sick bay or training team (and that will occur on an individual evaluation basis).
In my opinion, supplements are a fantastic way of helping to handle large training volumes and recovering from heavy training sessions, as well as giving an athlete in a particular discipline that extra edge over his opponents.
Cheers
Firstly Letsrole, you were close with how Creatine is utilised by your body, however its not quite accurate at some parts.
Basically, the only compound available in your body to create movement is adenosine triphoshate (ATP). ATP is stored in the muscles and because of this there is only a small amount available at anyone time, meaning that it can only fuel about two seconds of movement. To keep producing movement our bodies need to resynthasise ATP and this is done through three energy systems, the first is the phosphocreatine (PC), or alactacid system.
ATP has (as the name suggests) three phosphate groups and the energy of this compound is found in the bond between groups two and three. When this bond is broken by the enzyme ATPase, energy is released that can be used by the muscle cell to contract. This then leaves the compound ADP (adenosine diphosphate). Now as PC is a high energy compound, this can provide the necessary energy to combine the P to the ADP, and therefore resynthasise ATP.
Wow, heavy stuff eh? Now this combined ATP/PC system can only last for approximately 10 seconds in total, meaning, as was said before that is this is the primary energy system for explosive movements, not endurance.
Creatine is a protein made naturally in the body from three amino acids, glycine, arginine and methionine. External sources can be found in fish, beef, and pork (although to become performance boosting, at least 2kg per day of those foods would need to be consumed).
Creatine supplementation usually raises muscle PC stores by around 20%, with increases in strength, speed and recovery rate, and therefore a greater capacity for higher training volumes being the effect of this product.
For athletes whose disciplines need explosive power and strength such and sprinters, power lifters and rugby players, creatine supplementation can be beneficial. Other athletes who require less explosive power such as marathon runners or cyclists also benefit from creatine, although the water retention that occurs from “loading” is actually detrimental (paradoxically sprinters suffer from the same problem) because of the added weight that is then carried by the athlete. Recent studies show that altering the traditional loading dose of creatine and reducing it, yields the same results without the side effect of weight gain and water retention.
So back to the original question, as I understand it, recruits are discouraged from taking nutritional or pharmacological supplements such as protein or MR shakes; unless specifically recommended to by the sick bay or training team (and that will occur on an individual evaluation basis).
In my opinion, supplements are a fantastic way of helping to handle large training volumes and recovering from heavy training sessions, as well as giving an athlete in a particular discipline that extra edge over his opponents.
Cheers
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frostie593
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Maximuscle are W@nk... No wait our company has a contract with them.. Maximuscle are great!frostie593 wrote:yeah, i was thinking about taking some maximuscle stuff over the summer - i heard maximuscle is the best stuff to use - to try and bulk up about , mostly because im a skinny git, but i'm contemplating whether to do so after this little thread.
Seriously though their products are hit and miss. They're only touted as the best becasue they have a killer PR department. Just eat more and do a little more weights if you want ot bulk up.
Sonne
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I wouldn't go so far as to say their products are...well..... but yes, Sonne is right, they have an awesome PR dept, I would suggest trying a few different brands and finding out what works for you.
Oh and please, please, please, if you want to start taking a suppliment, do plenty of research on what you are going to be taking it for and what it actually does. Also,don't assume that because it works for one person it will work the same for you aswell.
Cheers
Oh and please, please, please, if you want to start taking a suppliment, do plenty of research on what you are going to be taking it for and what it actually does. Also,don't assume that because it works for one person it will work the same for you aswell.
Cheers
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frostie593
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In a word, no.a bit late with this point/question but do these protein supplements damage your CV work? - it was suggested by an instructor at my gym...
Protein is vital for repair and growth of cells in your body, you should try and consume a mix of carbohydrates and protein immediately after each bout of training, regardless of which type (resistance, CV etc). Even after cardiovascular work, micro tears have formed in your muscles and these need protein to repair.
Your gym instructor was probably referring to extra mass being detrimental to you (i.e. having to carry more mass on runs and therefore making it harder). If you have a look at elite athletes in specific sports for example long distance running, then you will see that their body types are suited to their discipline, long and slim, just like elite level power lifters have short levers and wide hips. But please remember that these are athletes who compete at the level of excellence and who are running their 5km in under 13 minutes.
As has been said before, the Royal Marines (or any other armed forces) are looking for supermen, just guys who have above average overall fitness, who always rise to a challenge, never give up, and always want to better themselves. Or so I've herd.
Cheers
its ment to make you recover fast but its too expensive at the moment for me so I have not tried it yet, I have only tried it in something called USN HMB or something like that its creatine laced with glutamine and that stuff gave me a headache and I dont use it that much nor did i feel any diffrent
Glutamine is a free form amino acid and is known as a non essential amino acid (but only because the body is able to make it, not because it's not needed). Over 60% of all the glutamine in a person’s body is found in the skeletal muscles, while the rest is found in the lungs, liver and brain.
Glutamine has many roles, for instance it promotes the assimilation of nutrients, regulates protein synthesis, stimulates growth-hormone production and enhances the immune system. On top of this glutamine is known as a nitrogen donor, meaning it transports nitrogen to wherever it’s needed. Growth of tissue requires a positive nitrogen state in the body and glutamine helps with this.
Also during Krebs cycle in the re synthesis of ATP, glutamine converts to glutamate and produces ATP molecules.
The deficit created by glutamine being released by the muscle triggers the conversion of other amino acids into glutamine, which is a catabolic (muscle wasting) action.
So basically, it can be helpful for an athlete who wants to recover from heavy training sessions and prevent muscle atrophy.
As for any side effects, I am not too sure but I will have a hunt around the internet and if I find any research that suggests there are any major problems I will post them here.
Cheers
Glutamine has many roles, for instance it promotes the assimilation of nutrients, regulates protein synthesis, stimulates growth-hormone production and enhances the immune system. On top of this glutamine is known as a nitrogen donor, meaning it transports nitrogen to wherever it’s needed. Growth of tissue requires a positive nitrogen state in the body and glutamine helps with this.
Also during Krebs cycle in the re synthesis of ATP, glutamine converts to glutamate and produces ATP molecules.
The deficit created by glutamine being released by the muscle triggers the conversion of other amino acids into glutamine, which is a catabolic (muscle wasting) action.
So basically, it can be helpful for an athlete who wants to recover from heavy training sessions and prevent muscle atrophy.
As for any side effects, I am not too sure but I will have a hunt around the internet and if I find any research that suggests there are any major problems I will post them here.
Cheers
