"Torture " photos may be fakes

[MarkE]

The dark patch on the sack is almost certainly piss or whatever fluid was squirted at the guy.

Mark.

[Doc]

Either that or he has bad hayfever?

[may18]

Seriously though if these people really were trying to uncover the truth of some big rogue cover up thing they would be giving the MoD and MPs all the help they need instead of hiding behind the Mirror.

I agree, i just hope this doesnt make life even worse for the soldiers
out there.

The arab media is making a huge deal out of this, whipping up outrage.

It wont matter if they are fakes imho they wont believe that heck some
believed that british soldiers where behind the car bombings.

As for the claims its "hundreds" involved. Surely thats got to be BS. because the nco's and officers would find out damn quickly??.

[Dolly Gray]

Tab

I dont know it is blood for sure, it is tooo dark for my liking as is the stains shape but this just add to the things that all of us with some common sense are thinking of.

In this digital world how many members of the armed forces walk around with a black and white camera, because if this was colour we would probably see it was fake. Your point on laces is a good one as are all the other points that have been brought up. No watch no bronzy marks. the open legs on the rifle going into the groin, the nice clean truck.

Now if it turns out that this is posed by a couple of serving guys to make some loot or get there ticket I hope the MOD go after them because someone somewhere might get zapped because of this and if it was set up by the Mirror they should close it down.

[Jagger]

The photos are just laughable. Personally I'd be very surprised if they were authentic.

Regarding the blood stains, wouldn't you think that there would be some blood running down the guys chest making the t-shirt stained also? I'd imagine it would take quiet abit of blood to soak hessein through, some of it must have dripped off, but there is none.

I know if I was being beat sensless I wouldn't be in the positions that guy is in, i'd have my head jabbed into the corner of that 3 tonner to protect myself and definitely have my crotch more protected by my legs.

The guy shows absolutely NO signs of being beaten up, no blood on him, the floor, no bruises, only that piece of stained hessein which you can't even see in colour.

[Cav-Lad]

Bloody Hell Pasha who do know your Photography don't you.
I will have to get my wife to read your comment as she is a keen snapper herself. And she may have her own idea on these FAKE photo's. (no bias there then)

Cav-Lad

[cambridgebloke]

Agreed Pasha - the quality is too good and they are clearly posed.

Unfortunately it will mean the lives of a few guys in Iraq will be ended due to that patriotic tome the Mirror - nice work Piers your hands will have blood on them.

SB

[cambridgebloke]

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.a ... E_ID=38335

More suspicious photos afoot, our enemies know that the west's media is its worst enemy.

[Aldo]

Regarding the blood stains, wouldn't you think that there would be some blood running down the guys chest making the t-shirt stained also?

Absolutley, my shirt had more blood on it the last time I bit my lip.

On the technical photography thing you can clearly see what Pasha is talking about when you look at the American photos. If you look at the one with the man and the woman standing over the pile of Iraqis you will see that the sacks over the top Iraqi's head is very blured, now no one can tell me that his head was moving faster than a rifle being jabbed into someone crotch.

Here's an interesting article from another forum, I don't know if it holds any truth but if it does it really pisses me off.

By Chris Boffey and Nigel Bunyan
(Filed: 04/05/2004)

The Army investigation into photographs that purport to show soldiers torturing an Iraqi prisoner is close to concluding that the pictures were faked by soldiers trying to cash in on rumours of brutality

The Ministry of Defence said last night that the Royal Military Police would seek this week to question Piers Morgan, the editor of the Daily Mirror, which first published the photographs, and other senior staff.

Members of the Territorial Army who served with the Queen's Lancashire Regiment in Iraq last year are also to be asked about the provenance of the photographs.

The 1st Battalion of the regiment was reinforced in Basra by up to 100 members of the TA. The rifle and the lorry shown in the pictures are used by the TA but not by regular units in Iraq. During the time the regiment was in Iraq there were rumours of Iraqis being maltreated.

The MoD has admitted that 10 RMP investigations are going on into claims of brutality, nine involving the Army and one the RAF. None of the alleged incidents is said to have occurred in the past seven months.

Roger Goodwin, an Army spokesman, said: "There are strong suspicions in the regiment and elsewhere that the pictures are false." He refused to comment on the inquiry's investigation into serving members of the regiment.

Desmond Swayne, a senior Conservative MP who has spent time with British troops in Basra, said that Mr Morgan must resign if the photographs were proved to have been faked.

The Mirror said: "Our sources are serving members of the regiment and are standing by their account of what happened and the veracity of the photographs."

Nicholas Soames, the Conservative defence spokesman, and Charles Kennedy, the leader of the Liberal Party, called for a defence minister to make a statement to MPs about the Royal Military Police investigation.

Mr Kennedy said that Mr Morgan must have thought "mightily carefully" before publishing the pictures, knowing the inflammatory effect they were bound to have internationally.

Again, I don't know the validity of this one.

May, do you know the source of this one?

[Frank S.]

I find it remarkable, the amount of disinformation and outright fabrications which have been circulating for the last couple years or so. No doubt been going on longer than this, but the run up to the war seems to have accelerated it.
From the Nigerian yellowcake to photos of trailers showed by Colin Powell at the UN to this, there have been a hell of a lot of BS making the rounds.

Sadly, it seems that the pictures of US soldiers and Iraqi prisoners from Abu Ghraib were not fakes.

[may18]

"May, do you know the source of this one"

yep

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... altop.html