Six British Troops killed in Iraq

Wully · Post by **Wully** » Wed 25 Jun, 2003 4:57 pm

Sully, I take it then that you are quite happy for our servicemen and women to be used as sitting duck targets for any civvy with a weapon to take a pot shot at in Iraq. Sure the fighting had finished before the locals were calling for the return of Saddam; so why don't we give them back to Saddam? What is this country getting out of this conflict except a load of grief? Cynical I may be, but there it is.

harry hackedoff · Post by **harry hackedoff** » Wed 25 Jun, 2003 5:40 pm

No, Bob, he isn`t. And neither am I. We have both questioned the morality and legality of this war. We questioned what was differant about Saddam. Why didn`t Elmer want to take out Pol pot, who was infinitely worse, for example.
Once the button was pushed and we had gravs on the ground, we both fully supported them( we would hardly do otherwise). Supporting the blokes and supporting the decision to send them, are two differant things.

and couldn't get two questions out of my mind:

Sul, I made that three questions

and the answer to question one is Iran.
Such loss of life is dreadfull, my fear is they won`t be the last.
At the going down of the sun, and in the morning,
We will remember them.

We have the luxury of democratic debate. The guys out there do not.
My sincere condolences and heartfelt sorrow are with the wives, children, parents of the fallen. Remember the famillies, also.
Aye,

Wully · Post by **Wully** » Wed 25 Jun, 2003 8:00 pm

Harry,
Don't get me wrong; I fully support our troops out there and feel for them every time they come under fire. My argument is if the locals feel so strongly about us been there they are willing to kill the troops then I say leave them to it. They are shouting out loud that they are capable of governing themselves so let them. It wouldn't be too many days before Shite, Sunni and the Kurds were at each others throats and Saddam and his gang just waiting in the wings. Why waste lives trying to help people who DO NOT want your help?????????????????????????

may18 · Post by **may18** » Wed 25 Jun, 2003 10:42 pm

Wully wrote:Harry,
Don't get me wrong; I fully support our troops out there and feel for them every time they come under fire. My argument is if the locals feel so strongly about us been there they are willing to kill the troops then I say leave them to it. They are shouting out loud that they are capable of governing themselves so let them. It wouldn't be too many days before Shite, Sunni and the Kurds were at each others throats and Saddam and his gang just waiting in the wings. Why waste lives trying to help people who DO NOT want your help?????????????????????????

Well wully, i totally agree i want them home. But to be honest, does anyone believe our soldiers were sent there because blair was overcome with humanity at the plight of iraqis?. Or that he really saw iraq as a clear and immediate threat?.

There is another agenda here, which most likely involves the setting up of a goverment only when it is "acceptable" to the powers in office.

And the soldiers are pawns in it all

lew · Post by **lew** » Wed 25 Jun, 2003 10:56 pm

Just hope that something constructive comes of all this, and hopefully Blair will either pull us out of Iraq, or they do what they said they were going to do and come home that way...

Before more young lads get torn up

lew

Midshipman786 · Post by **Midshipman786** » Wed 25 Jun, 2003 11:55 pm

all because we cant politely say no to the yanks

its their war let them fight it themsleves. what a bleeding waste.

Spannerman · Post by **Spannerman** » Thu 26 Jun, 2003 7:14 am

I don't particularly like the style of messrs Short or Cook, but give them credit for standing their ground, I do feel that the press ought to keep grinding away at B.Liar over the WMD issue, there is obviously something not quite true here. Someone is telling porkies and I bet the one I am backing will win by 12 lengths, where is that damn interview with the words of wisdom when B Liar said Cyprus (SB Akrotiri) was under threat from missiles from Iraq or that 'I cannot disclose our source of information on WMD as that would sacrifice those who gave that information' or words to that effect. I'm surprised the media haven't picked up on these.....................

Wully · Post by **Wully** » Thu 26 Jun, 2003 8:49 am

Lew, not only are NOT talking about pulling the troops out, they are actually talking about sending in another 5000!!!!!!! Talk about cannon fodder.

Sully · Post by **Sully** » Thu 26 Jun, 2003 3:35 pm

Wully, I think Harry summed it up. I've been completely against the war since day one (day one probably being 12/9/01) but I think that whoever caused this mess has a moral responsibility to sort it out. Apart from that I thought the idea of the invasion was to make the world a safer place and as far I can make out, this looks like making it far more dangerous.

I'm a bit disappointed that you think I would wish anything bad on our forces. As I have said previously to May, I was at John Cess' funeral a few weeks ago and it broke my heart to hear his daughter trying to read out a tribute to her dad. This doesn't make my opinion any more or less valid than anybody elses (whether the invasion was right or wrong is irrelevant - John was a top bloke, top bootneck and died doing his duty) but I do know what six sets of oppo's are going through now.

Twenty One · Post by **Twenty One** » Thu 26 Jun, 2003 4:27 pm

Sully why do we join up in the first place knowing that we will be called upon sometime to fight some a**ehole politicians wars for them.I can't seem to find the answer to that question.No doubt like all servicemen we loved the comradeship and the lifestyle when serving,but it is a different kettle of fish when we go into active service.It will be intersting to hear replies to this question.

USARMY_ · Post by **USARMY_** » Thu 26 Jun, 2003 4:31 pm

Middy, I respectfully disagree, the war on terror is a war every peace loving nation should be fighting. Imagine if the USA felt that way about the European theater in either WWI or WWII! I know you guys are tired of the past being thrown in your face just like Americans are tired of being portrayed as some sort of mongul hord. Also see that alot of terrorist have been captured on your soil and some British citizens have attempted acts of terrorism against the US and other countries. Also realize that the largest stockpile of anthrax was found in the UK in the possestion of Mohammedan's who knows what their intentions were. Imagine the horror that would have been unleashed if the US intelligence community acted if the situation was only a British concern. I think it is time for all friendly nations to tighten their belt a bit and get on with the business of ridding the world of these murdering cowards. I don't want my children being blown up on the streets any more than you do. So lets get on with it.

lew · Post by **lew** » Thu 26 Jun, 2003 4:44 pm

The problem is these are not just terrorists, they are also religious fundamentalists, and they do not simply go away, neither can you simply cut the head off the beast as a new clever one will simply grow, these people aren’t just doing this because its what they do, there doing this because they believe in it right down to there very bones!!! I agree we cannot just sit back and let this happen, but when fighting an irregular force who believe there on a holy quest to kill westerners and there way of life we will never defeat them, the more we kill the more martyrs they have and the more young people blinded by religious bull s**t will volunteer themselves to be blown up or to attack a building such as the twin towers.

We could slaughter a whole camp of martyrs and as long as they get one of us they would see that as a victory...

lew

Wully · Post by **Wully** » Thu 26 Jun, 2003 4:49 pm

Sully, I was probably a bit hasty with my remarks. I'm positive that no one using this forum would wish harm on any of the forces fighting terrorism. In future must remember to make sure my brain is in gear before I open my mouth

No offence meant Sully and I hope none taken.

Cobalt · Post by **Cobalt** » Thu 26 Jun, 2003 5:40 pm

The irony about the religious fanatics is that what they are doing is against the laws of Islam. If these so called Muslims were actually religious then they'd be the most peaceful people in the middle east. The groups that call the war in Iraq a jihad is laughable. Maybe if they read the Qur'an then they'd realise the last place they are going is heaven.

Midshipman786 · Post by **Midshipman786** » Thu 26 Jun, 2003 5:40 pm

USARMY_ wrote:Middy, I respectfully disagree, the war on terror is a war every peace loving nation should be fighting. Imagine if the USA felt that way about the European theater in either WWI or WWII! I know you guys are tired of the past being thrown in your face just like Americans are tired of being portrayed as so sort of mongul hord. Also see that alot of terrorist have been captured on your soil and some British citizens have attempted acts of terrorism against the US and other countries. Also realize that the largest stockpile of anthrax was found in the UK in the possestion of Mohammedan's who knows what their intentions were. Imagine the horror that would have been unleashed if the US intelligence community acted if the situation was only a British concern. I think it is time for all friendly nations to tighten their belt a bit and get on with the business of ridding the world of these murdering cowards. I don't want my children being blown up on the streets any more than you do. So lets get on with it.

i agree with A war on terror but not THE war on terror. to me its looking more and more like a war for US interests. i agree terrorism needs to be dealt with but the only way its going to be done is by cooperation and by keeping moderate muslims like myself onside. not by throwing ur weight around and invading countries like iraq on the flimiest of cases. if u do that u will just pi$$ off most of the muslim world and make it harder to deal with the likes of al-Qaida.

and no anthrax was found here, maybe u meant the traces of ricin that were found in a house a while ago? it should be stressed that those behind that and all the other terror suspects that have been rounded up were all illegal immigrants of some sort which the govt should never have let in in the first place.

and lastly dont use the word "Mohammedan" as its a derogatory term. i hope ur not trying to annoy me on purpose mate cos i can give as good as i get.

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