Mate, I dont care who or what you are im just stating the fact that you are talking crap. Pullups with weight is fine, how do you think athletes have ever achieved the 1 arm pullup? Simple repetitions of pullups only goes so far, when you add weight, your pullup reps will increase. How do I know this? Ive been training for the past 5 years working in boxing and general fitness. Ive tried lots of exercises and that exercise does not do anything bad for the shoulders, ive never had any problem with doing this exercise and its fine to do. I can do about 20 pullups and working with weighted pullups helped me get there without a doulbt. If this athlete wants to increase pullups, then weighted pullups dont go far wrong.
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The difference is age and experience in the subject you plank. He's far too young to even begin on the exercises you have outlines. Look at the big picture before you start slating others. To do pullups by themself is difficult enough for the average person but to do so with weight you need a great degree of upperbody and joint strength. Now let me think; how would one achieve such a thing... Well you start small and gradually increase your reps under your own bodyweight. Launching into such a high intensity programme will only lead to injury.mitch_boxing wrote:Mate, I dont care who or what you are im just stating the fact that you are talking crap. Pullups with weight is fine, how do you think athletes have ever achieved the 1 arm pullup? Simple repetitions of pullups only goes so far, when you add weight, your pullup reps will increase. How do I know this? Ive been training for the past 5 years working in boxing and general fitness. Ive tried lots of exercises and that exercise does not do anything bad for the shoulders, ive never had any problem with doing this exercise and its fine to do. I can do about 20 pullups and working with weighted pullups helped me get there without a doulbt. If this athlete wants to increase pullups, then weighted pullups dont go far wrong.
Mitch
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Dan_Engel,
Firstly good luck with your GCSEs. Hope you get what you want.
As you're going for your GCSEs I'd guess you must be at least 16 (something I learnt in training with the Marines - Judgment ). This is a fact that cannot be ignored in suggesting training ideas. Being young means you need to be careful about how you go about your training and the way you progress it. As yet, your body is still underdeveloped (the joys of growing pains) so it can be very easy to overload your body without realising it.
Before I moved up to Scotland I coached and did a lot of training of athletics dealing mostly with kids from 10/12 up to adulthood. The biggest thing instilled in myself and all the coaches was that the young body is developing, the nerve endings are still developing (affects our range of movement) and that you can only do so much because of this.
This was also imposed on us by the governing body (UK Athletics) in that they placed restrictions on the maximum distances and number of events that you could enter at any age. You can't run a marathon until you're 18 (but this looks set to be raised to 21) and at 13 the maximum race distance is up to 3.5Km, dependant on running surface. This is due to the need for your body to adapt to it's changes as opposed to training your body to accept change (we've all seen how the Russian gymnasts are ruining their body by being forced to train to win).
With this in mind any training program needs to assess what the needs are of any athelete while ensuring their health and improvement with minimal risk of injury while progressing on. For yourself, you have easily another year within which to condition your body and another year to train for a PRMC attempt (as you said yourself). You have time to get yourself to level where PRMC pass would be a breeze.
The best thing is to do other circuit exercises which will work not only the direct muscles involved in doing a pull up but also those muscles involved indirectly as well. I've made this point before on the 'Training' thread at the top of the forum. Work with a good all round circuit which will aid your pull ups.
For your problem with the broom breaking, my best suggestion is to take a look in the Argos sports section. They do a fantastic pull up bar which screws into the door frame (have one myself). You can even install it at a height the same as your incline pull ups. As it just screws in and out, once fitted you can put the bar up when ever needed. When you're ready you can then put the bar up higher.
As for the suggestion of adding weight to help, if you were older, had a strong background of training and were conditioned to do such a thing then adding weight could be done.
For yourself, as you say can only do 3 a day (another fact that goes against using weight) it's a counteractive thing. You'll fight harder, take up more energy and possibly even injure yourself in doing so. This would also mean you may eventually make gains in your pull ups but the harshness of getting there is counter productive.
If you want advice just for pull ups then read my last post on the training thread. It's just for pull ups and can even be done as inclines.
http://www.mfat.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13280
For yourself, with time to train (over months) keep training the way you are. Keep battling away with circuits, pull ups and running. Over time you will see improvements. If you can't do a full press up then do half press ups till you can. Start small and eventually you will work bigger.
I started out as a 9 stone underexercised lad with no real strength and now over 10 years on I train lads like yourself to be amongst the fittest in the world by earning the Green lid.
For the big issue of using weight at any time during training, the best advice has already been given by Artist - Don't. If you want the coveted Green Beret on your head, you don't need to. Thousands of lads have earned theirs the best way, with some straight forward hard graft.
You need to run as part of Commando training so learn the basic easiest thing - to run. No extra weight, no fancy gizmos or gimics, just pure hard work. All training to run and carry weight and be the straight out the box, Issue 1 Royal Marine happens progressively and under control with the right kit and guidance.
Your first weekend in the field uses trainers for most of it so as not to knacker your feet with boots. The PTI's will teach you, then train you for the assault course before progressively adding the required weight. So if anything let us break you, we have insurance for it and medical back up if it does go wrong. As a civvie, its your wallet and life if it goes wrong.
Sorry if this goes on like war and peace but feel free to PM me if you need any advice.
Always happens, you say my name five times in a mirror and I appear to wreak havoc. No....wait.....that was the candyman. Anyway, most recruits only need know I'm far more deadly. You can smell their fear when they hear the distinctive tear of another white vest of death as I flex to let them cream themselves over the sight of what they can achieve
Right, down to business.
Dan_Engel,
Firstly good luck with your GCSEs. Hope you get what you want.
As you're going for your GCSEs I'd guess you must be at least 16 (something I learnt in training with the Marines - Judgment
). This is a fact that cannot be ignored in suggesting training ideas. Being young means you need to be careful about how you go about your training and the way you progress it. As yet, your body is still underdeveloped (the joys of growing pains) so it can be very easy to overload your body without realising it.Before I moved up to Scotland I coached and did a lot of training of athletics dealing mostly with kids from 10/12 up to adulthood. The biggest thing instilled in myself and all the coaches was that the young body is developing, the nerve endings are still developing (affects our range of movement) and that you can only do so much because of this.
This was also imposed on us by the governing body (UK Athletics) in that they placed restrictions on the maximum distances and number of events that you could enter at any age. You can't run a marathon until you're 18 (but this looks set to be raised to 21) and at 13 the maximum race distance is up to 3.5Km, dependant on running surface. This is due to the need for your body to adapt to it's changes as opposed to training your body to accept change (we've all seen how the Russian gymnasts are ruining their body by being forced to train to win).
With this in mind any training program needs to assess what the needs are of any athelete while ensuring their health and improvement with minimal risk of injury while progressing on. For yourself, you have easily another year within which to condition your body and another year to train for a PRMC attempt (as you said yourself). You have time to get yourself to level where PRMC pass would be a breeze.
The best suggestion here is not to concentrate just on the pull up side of your strength. Athletes do not train for a pull up competition by only doing pull ups. Paula Radcliff doesn't train for a marathon by running 26 miles day in day out. In the winter months, a program of body toning with weights is used to help, swimming is done to remove impact stresses from the body.dan_engel wrote:is there a good exercise to replace the incline pull-up with as its quite hard for me to do...broke a few brooms ect
The best thing is to do other circuit exercises which will work not only the direct muscles involved in doing a pull up but also those muscles involved indirectly as well. I've made this point before on the 'Training' thread at the top of the forum. Work with a good all round circuit which will aid your pull ups.
For your problem with the broom breaking, my best suggestion is to take a look in the Argos sports section. They do a fantastic pull up bar which screws into the door frame (have one myself). You can even install it at a height the same as your incline pull ups. As it just screws in and out, once fitted you can put the bar up when ever needed. When you're ready you can then put the bar up higher.
As for the suggestion of adding weight to help, if you were older, had a strong background of training and were conditioned to do such a thing then adding weight could be done.
For yourself, as you say can only do 3 a day (another fact that goes against using weight) it's a counteractive thing. You'll fight harder, take up more energy and possibly even injure yourself in doing so. This would also mean you may eventually make gains in your pull ups but the harshness of getting there is counter productive.
If you want advice just for pull ups then read my last post on the training thread. It's just for pull ups and can even be done as inclines.
http://www.mfat.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13280
For yourself, with time to train (over months) keep training the way you are. Keep battling away with circuits, pull ups and running. Over time you will see improvements. If you can't do a full press up then do half press ups till you can. Start small and eventually you will work bigger.
I started out as a 9 stone underexercised lad with no real strength and now over 10 years on I train lads like yourself to be amongst the fittest in the world by earning the Green lid.
For the big issue of using weight at any time during training, the best advice has already been given by Artist - Don't. If you want the coveted Green Beret on your head, you don't need to. Thousands of lads have earned theirs the best way, with some straight forward hard graft.
You need to run as part of Commando training so learn the basic easiest thing - to run. No extra weight, no fancy gizmos or gimics, just pure hard work. All training to run and carry weight and be the straight out the box, Issue 1 Royal Marine happens progressively and under control with the right kit and guidance.
Your first weekend in the field uses trainers for most of it so as not to knacker your feet with boots. The PTI's will teach you, then train you for the assault course before progressively adding the required weight. So if anything let us break you, we have insurance for it and medical back up if it does go wrong. As a civvie, its your wallet and life if it goes wrong.
Sorry if this goes on like war and peace but feel free to PM me if you need any advice.
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thanks for the advice skiffle...i stop the weights and get back to the simple hard work...
today was going to be my test day, but i had the may ball yesterday and i feel wrecked (muscles aching from dancing 4 hours) ect.
I got 2 year of training- as im doing 6th form, thanks for all the help everyone.
today was going to be my test day, but i had the may ball yesterday and i feel wrecked (muscles aching from dancing 4 hours) ect.
I got 2 year of training- as im doing 6th form, thanks for all the help everyone.
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i also studied sports science in what is meant to be the best sports college in the country (untill i realised all i want to do is become a royal marines commando!) and i always got told development shouldnt be overstrained and you should take things gradually, if you do more than you are able to carry then your just putting excess stress on thre muslces which causes strains/torn muscles etc, i say start by doing things like jumping and controling the way you come down then progress from there!mitch_boxing wrote:biggest load of shite ive ever heard in my life. Especially as your talking to someone who is studying sports science. Doing pullups with weight on your back is fine mate but yes I agree that you shouldnt run with weight on your back. Train for volume over intensity when it comes to pullups, build up to weighted pullups if you cant do them at first but dont listen to dickh*ads that know f*ckall about training.
Also, id recommend looking at this book......
http://www.warriorforce.com/nevergymless.html
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Well, I was going to write about going to Argos and getting a pullup bar and the closest I've ever been to Academical Sports Excellence is middle school PE lol
POC: Passed 21 June '06
AIB: Passed 28 June '06
AIB round 2: Failed!
PRMC: 26 June '07: Passed
RT: 24th Sept '07
Week 27 - Final Ex after Easter leave - blargh
Mrs Bevell of the AIB is still officially the nicest lady in the world.
AIB: Passed 28 June '06
AIB round 2: Failed!
PRMC: 26 June '07: Passed
RT: 24th Sept '07
Week 27 - Final Ex after Easter leave - blargh
Mrs Bevell of the AIB is still officially the nicest lady in the world.
rest is vital to gaining strength, as most people here who have studied sports science they may have learned a thing or two about histology which is the microbiology of the human skeleton (basically muscle fibers), when you work out, you tear fibers in your muscles and blood comes and helps speed up the process, but when you don't allow yourself rest it becomes too much and is considered overtraining, symptoms are like muscle soreness which is because the micro tears in your muscle still haven't recovered.VJN wrote:ha ha very true.
but doe anyone actually rest? getting the opposite impression.
probably wrong thou!
VJ
So in final yes, rest is definitely needed, nobodys a machine...unless your a PTI
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