Iraqi Murderers

[Wholley]

Here's my thoughts.
Heavy armor on every street corner.
Surround the place with barbed wire.
Nobody in or out.
Re-ration water(a favorite of Saddam's)
Restrict electricity to one hour a day.
They respect power,so we need to show them who's the boss.
Then conduct house to house,anyone with a weapon is arrested and anyone threatening troops is shot out of hand.
Keep the Humvee's out as their death traps,let the M1A2's sort it out.
Wholley.

[Guest]

Strewth Wholley ALL FOOLS DAY was yesterday.

You sound as if we ought to be going back to Sad Mans days or do you advocate an Israeli type occupation?

[Artist]

Spanners

I agree with Wholley. Iron Fist first, then Kid Gloves later.

It's starting to sound like Vietnam/NI. At least one poor soldier dies every day in that sh*thole. The general public have a tendancy to block out news that is the same day in day out.

Kick Ar*e and remove the Non Iraqies from the playingfield, i,e, the Syrians who are crossing the border in droves to kill a Western soldier. Just so they can say they did it.

Hit Hard and get them to respect the facts of life. It's what they are used to. Just name one Arab state that is democratic. Their aint one!
The alternative is to leave the entire area to it's own devices and if that happens just say goodbye to the supplies of the Western countries life blood, OIL!
No more Mr Nice Guy. Kick the A*se out of the fundementalists and show them that we have had our fill of their outdated Barbaric way of life.

Because the Muslim religion is one of peace. And I will bet evens that 95% of Muslims want nothing more than to be able to bring up their famlies in a stable and peaceful environment. OK, Utopia is a long way off but it is attainable surely?

9/11 should remind us of what could happen if we pull out and leave them alone. If my view offends anybody.............tough! I have had me fill of Appeasement. Didnt work in the 1930's and it aint going to work in the 2000's. Lets just wake up to the fact that the Islamic fundimentalists do not give a toss about our way of life or our views on the meaning of life and suchlike.


Lets get rid of the Lunatics and start again.


Artist

[minimac]

Carpet bomb the place

That will calm things down. Stop our blokes dying anyways.

After 9/11, Boosh declared War on Terror with the view to make the world a safer place. Is it really a safer place?? There are more suicide bombers now than ever before.

Ah the naievity (spelling) of youth.

Tom

[Artist]

Minimac

Why not just Nuke them hey?

Wrong! I have worked in the Oman and I will tell you now the Majority of Arabs/Muslims are just like you and me. people who just want to live in peace.

Engage brain before sounding off Oppo. If we did what you suggest the world would be 10 times more dangerous.

As I have said 95% of Muslims want peace. Carpet bomb a country and basic THEM AND US will prevail. Instead of 95% wanting a normal life it would drop to 0%. And we will have the entire Arab/Muslim world wanting revenge.

Artist

[Wholley]

Spanners,
as it's already an occupation what do you suggest we do?
Should we continue to lose troops in three man Humvee patrols?
That kind of slow attrition is exactly what the barstewards want.
Their hoping that if more kids come home in a box the US will lose heart and withdraw.I'd love to hear your solution.
Anyhoo,how you been,haven't heard much from you of late.
Wholley.

[Frank S.]

There's something strange about this incident.
Maybe it's my paranoia flaring up, but I think I smell a set-up.
Everything seemed in place for a quick dissemination in media outlets.
And the men killed were no lightweights.

[Whitey]

I actually had Scott for an instructor in 1994. He was a tough, but inspirational leader. I still can't believe a guy like him as tough and as good as him was killed so quickly. He had it all but went anyway.
My sympathies go out to his family. I hope that town pays, screw their hearts and minds, they have no heart, and have lost their minds long ago. Send in the Marines and bayonet the population. Kill their sons, so they won't grow up to avenge their fathers.

[Whitey]

I actually had Scott for an instructor in 1994. He was a tough, but inspirational leader. I still can't believe a guy like him as tough and as good as him was killed so quickly. He had it all but went anyway.
My sympathies go out to his family. I hope that town pays, screw their hearts and minds, they have no heart, and have lost their minds long ago. Send in the Marines and bayonet the population. Kill their sons, so they won't grow up to avenge their fathers.

Bullet in the heart and a bullet in the mind. That would make it right in my book.

[Guest]

I reckon you treat a situation like this as firm but fair, no Gung-ho attitude of guns a blazin', I seem to think that a previous incident involving Fallujah killed 16 Iraqis at the 'drop of a hat' whether this was the revenge the Iraqis were looking for I do not know.

Thankfully the Brits do not seem to have the same problem down South or if they have the heat has been taken out of the situation.

I think you must accept that the Americans are distrusted by many Arabs, it isn't everyone who wants the American way of life imposed on their way of life or to have their assets controlled by an outside source.

Bush went into Iraq to do a job, he did it by getting rid of a barbaric regime successfully, whether this was right ethically or not will be discussed ad infinitum. What concerns me is that the war has been won but not the peace, remember Dubya declared the war over last May.

He has no strategy to keep the peace and some of the comments on here beggars' belief as to what ought to be done to resolve the situation, I will not go into those comments as they are in a similar vein to what Saddam was all about. I am not a diplomat nor a soldier so therefore I am not qualified to comment on such things what I do know though is if the Yanks hadn't gone in the first place you, the Americans, wouldn't be having this problem now. It is a family feud started by one Bush and finished by another and the focus of 'get the terrorists' has been missed completely by a GUNG-HO president.

[Guest]

There's something strange about this incident.
Maybe it's my paranoia flaring up, but I think I smell a set-up.
Everything seemed in place for a quick dissemination in media outlets.
And the men killed were no lightweights.

Yeah same here, my antennae started twitching a bit as well, dunno why....

[Guest]

Im getting a sense of deja-vu here, Gaza Mark II anyone?

If the Israelis cant break the Pals, and we know what tactics they use, how exactly are the Americans going to do any better? Going in with overwhleming force might make some people feel better but I dont think it'll acheive much.

Maybe its best to let Fallujah fester for a while. As far as im aware those contractors shouldnt have even been driving through there in the first place! Not very good foresight, especially for ex-special forces types.

[Marina]

Firstly, I just like to say my heartfelt condolences goes out those families who have had to see their loved ones butchered in such a horrendous and public way.

The american government should have had a well-thought out proper pre-organised plan (with collaboration with the respective parties and UN) on how to restructure Iraq before they went to war, not make it up as they go along, after the war, honestly !

As Frank said 'I smell a rat '

With regards to the Israelies and Palestinians, I don't think the Israelies have achieved much except more paranoia and insecurity for themselves. The Palestinian mindset is that they have nothing to lose and they are a very determined people, the more you hit them, the more they are going to strike back.
It is such a shame that the Palestinian leadership lacks influence with militant wing of their people and the Israelies are too stubborn to compromise as well. I feel that the whole root conflict in the Middle East is due to unresolved this Israel/Palestine issue.

[BenChug]

One of the main problems with Israel, is that when the Soviet Union collapsed millions of jews who had been previously unable to emigrate were. Many of them wound up in Israel, there biblical homeland yadda yadda yadda. So what happens when you take a small country like Israel and give it a few million people? it obviously makes a huge difference in the thinking of the country and if you grew up under a totalitarian regime you would be pretty hard nosed as well.

Isreal is surrounded by a crap load of arabs who for the most part don't want them to be there. They must take the offensive whenever possible, the best defense is a good offense. Take the fight to the enemy if you can't bring them to the table. Maybe what they are doing is wrong but dragging the disemebered bodies around is alot worse.

[Frank S.]

There was such a post-war plan if my memory's correct. It was I think a 1300 page document drafted by the State Department.
However it was 'tossed out the window' by the Pentagon civilian leadership (Rumsfeld - Wolfowitz - Feith et al), most likely because it outlined a need for vastly different numbers of troops.

Rumsfeld bears responsibility ultimately for the image of 'arrogance' this administration has. He wanted a fast operation with as few troops as possible and that is what he got. He and his advisors and subordinates (richard Perle included) absolutely bought Ahmed Chalabi's notion that US troops would be greeted as liberators by a grateful population.