anglo
You are very right in your Delta information 100%. My mistake was not using the following: US Army Special Forces trained along side SAS/SBS in the 1960's...Delta started the same type of cross training in the very late 1970's..with Col. B. and his top guys....You know your stuff.
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anglo-saxon
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No, not at all... I can just read as easilly as the next guy (well, almost - it's my typing that's crap, though!).
I just re-read Charlie B's Delta Force to get a better sense of what he was up against. There are a lot of lessens to learn there from a businees perspective. He was a determined bu**er, I'll give him that!
I just re-read Charlie B's Delta Force to get a better sense of what he was up against. There are a lot of lessens to learn there from a businees perspective. He was a determined bu**er, I'll give him that!
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anglo-saxon
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Padre: According to Beckwith, it was a mixture of ignorance, internal politics, and bureaucracy that gave him the grief. There was so much in-fighting amongst the brass, all of whom had their own agendas, so it was difficult to get anyone to really listen. Also, the "old and bold" brass had not a clue what Beckwith was talking about. As far as they were concerned, they already had SF, so why did they need more?
Was there not also an attitude that the US already had special forces for
any mission theatre and the notion of a Brittish style special operations unit was alien to the top brass and plus they did`nt like the idea of outside
influence in the military because their special op`s were ready for any contingency.
Was it not true that it took time for Beckwith to get used to Sas sop`s
but he saw how effective the unit was ,so for a similar US unit to be established they would have to introduce the same sop`s.
any mission theatre and the notion of a Brittish style special operations unit was alien to the top brass and plus they did`nt like the idea of outside
influence in the military because their special op`s were ready for any contingency.
Was it not true that it took time for Beckwith to get used to Sas sop`s
but he saw how effective the unit was ,so for a similar US unit to be established they would have to introduce the same sop`s.
Optimum Optare.
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Hey jack good to hear from you..
Well i wasnt Delta nor a Seal but I did graduate Ranger school like i have told you so i can answer most question but remeber it was a long time ago and the writing on the wall and the planning of war has changed quite bit.
I wont comment on the Seals nor Delta but i rekon they can hold thier own or they wouldnt be in existance.
But i will say the the current rekruits being dilivered to the Army now aday is a direct reflextion of the social climate that is breeding in the US now aday..New recruits are rude, undisapline and down rite worthless in most cases. They are more concerned w/ their own rights as a civilian all the while forgeting the are sappose to be soldiers and have sworn to do thier duty.
But to be a Ranger you must WANT it..its not a basic, given, thing to seek out in the Army. You volunteer and if you have any douhts about winning your tab at the end of the 58 day (more now) than they will pull it out of you and you will fail.
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Well i wasnt Delta nor a Seal but I did graduate Ranger school like i have told you so i can answer most question but remeber it was a long time ago and the writing on the wall and the planning of war has changed quite bit.
I wont comment on the Seals nor Delta but i rekon they can hold thier own or they wouldnt be in existance.
But i will say the the current rekruits being dilivered to the Army now aday is a direct reflextion of the social climate that is breeding in the US now aday..New recruits are rude, undisapline and down rite worthless in most cases. They are more concerned w/ their own rights as a civilian all the while forgeting the are sappose to be soldiers and have sworn to do thier duty.
But to be a Ranger you must WANT it..its not a basic, given, thing to seek out in the Army. You volunteer and if you have any douhts about winning your tab at the end of the 58 day (more now) than they will pull it out of you and you will fail.
Soldier
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Padre...If your interest is that deep into SEALs/Delta Force you may want to go into a few good books or web sites. SEAL stuff is all over the place...Check out US AF CCT's PJ's may also help. The following is a start.
Beckwith's Delta Force book that Anglo-Saxon's posted info on is a good start. Inside Delta Force by Eric Haney is a must read on the subject. Good SEAL information in books and on line are avb. First SEAL by Roy Boehm I like...also like Roy. The AF guys worked with both groups in field.
Beckwith's Delta Force book that Anglo-Saxon's posted info on is a good start. Inside Delta Force by Eric Haney is a must read on the subject. Good SEAL information in books and on line are avb. First SEAL by Roy Boehm I like...also like Roy. The AF guys worked with both groups in field.
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Padre,
Why are you so relentless in your pursuit of infromation about SEAL Team?
I served with them for two years and found them very good. But it concerns me that you want specific information.
If you PM me I will try to answer any specific questions that do not compromise their operational ability. You will though, have to ask specific questions!
Sneaky
Why are you so relentless in your pursuit of infromation about SEAL Team?
I served with them for two years and found them very good. But it concerns me that you want specific information.
If you PM me I will try to answer any specific questions that do not compromise their operational ability. You will though, have to ask specific questions!
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For a start he could learn how to spell - as could you.!! I can't really take anyone seriously on this forum that doesn't take the time or effort to check their posts for spelling etc. SF operations do - believe it or not- need people with intelligence and education. They are not all Rambo's!!
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swampcrawler
Opsec is very important and has been for a long time to us Brits over the years many a serviceman their wives and kids have been killed by terrorists. It's only recently that servicemen were allowed to wear uniform off camp when doing personal admin or travelling to and from work. There is a real threat to SF types from terrorists with grudges to settle. You are lucky at the moment that the same threat does not exist in your country,give it time.
Opsec is very important and has been for a long time to us Brits over the years many a serviceman their wives and kids have been killed by terrorists. It's only recently that servicemen were allowed to wear uniform off camp when doing personal admin or travelling to and from work. There is a real threat to SF types from terrorists with grudges to settle. You are lucky at the moment that the same threat does not exist in your country,give it time.
