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Paratrooper01
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We have a platoon of Royal Irish attatched to us at the moment to make up numbers. And to be fair, they are a motivated and (quite) proffesional bunch of lads. But again, they are not paratroopers and never will be on the same level as the rest of us so should not be allowed to call themselves "paras". And the same with these hats being attatched to RM, its not right to call themselves what they havn't earned.
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Why wouldn't the battalion be required to go throught the All Arms Commando Course before being posted to 3 Commando Brigade? If the battalion completed the course would they be considered legitimate commandos by the Royal Marines? What percentage from the battalion could be expected to pass the course on average?
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The AACC is for the blokes who support the RM's. As in they do a 6 week course to earn the right to wear a Green Lid and work with the Royal Marines. Most are Gunners and Engineers. It works the same for the guys who support the Para Regt.
Basic Army Infantry training is 12/14 weeks long. Then they go to their regiment.
Royal Marine Commandos do 32 weeks basic training. Got it?
Artist
The AACC is for the blokes who support the RM's. As in they do a 6 week course to earn the right to wear a Green Lid and work with the Royal Marines. Most are Gunners and Engineers. It works the same for the guys who support the Para Regt.
Basic Army Infantry training is 12/14 weeks long. Then they go to their regiment.
Royal Marine Commandos do 32 weeks basic training. Got it?
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The issue here is the political move, in that Jackson is trying to get his mitts on the Corps.
They are always trying to mix it with the Marines, what with Ghurkas at 42 back in the nineties, this brain wave etc. The Army heirachy has never been happy with the RN/RM doing what they percieve as the Armys job.
The underlying essence that makes whatever unit in the UK armed forces tick is heritage and pride. When you start diluting that and farking it about, quality goes out the window. Thats not a reflection on the army chaps maybe going to the brigade, thats a comment across the board. Wether its hats to the Paras, Perc to the Corps, inter-county amalgimations, whatever really. Why cant people leave whats working, well alone, and concentrate on sorting the shite out.
29 and 59 and the army lads in Logs do a stirling job, they are all volunteers and the units have a strong history. But to send a whole unit on mass and tell them they are now part of something, which in fairness they didnt join up to be, is just wrong.
And I have experience of this, I was a matelot that got drafted from Commando Logs to 59. I was a matelot amongst sappers, and farking loved it. Best draft I ever had. I was happy to be there, worked my arse off, played hard and fitted in. But when we went to Canada, the lads attached from other engineer units had a hard time, moreso as they didnt want to be there and also because their standards werent high enough. I know its a stereotype, but the standards werent there in personal admin, soldiering or phys that 59 and the Corps prides itself in.
Leave people do what they do best and what they joined up to do.
They are always trying to mix it with the Marines, what with Ghurkas at 42 back in the nineties, this brain wave etc. The Army heirachy has never been happy with the RN/RM doing what they percieve as the Armys job.
The underlying essence that makes whatever unit in the UK armed forces tick is heritage and pride. When you start diluting that and farking it about, quality goes out the window. Thats not a reflection on the army chaps maybe going to the brigade, thats a comment across the board. Wether its hats to the Paras, Perc to the Corps, inter-county amalgimations, whatever really. Why cant people leave whats working, well alone, and concentrate on sorting the shite out.
29 and 59 and the army lads in Logs do a stirling job, they are all volunteers and the units have a strong history. But to send a whole unit on mass and tell them they are now part of something, which in fairness they didnt join up to be, is just wrong.
And I have experience of this, I was a matelot that got drafted from Commando Logs to 59. I was a matelot amongst sappers, and farking loved it. Best draft I ever had. I was happy to be there, worked my arse off, played hard and fitted in. But when we went to Canada, the lads attached from other engineer units had a hard time, moreso as they didnt want to be there and also because their standards werent high enough. I know its a stereotype, but the standards werent there in personal admin, soldiering or phys that 59 and the Corps prides itself in.
Leave people do what they do best and what they joined up to do.
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I could not give a flying fark how good the bog standard County Regiment Soldier considers himself to be. To me he will never repeat never be as good as a Royal Marine Commando or for that matter a Parachute Regiment Private.
During my time as a Royal Marine I was delegated to do various (to me) daft Soldiering competions against Army Infantry units (from all NATO countries), both in the UK and overseas. And I will tell you now we never, ever farking lost! We always beat them hands down. And that to me was all down to our Mindset and our total commitment as Commandos.
THATS THE DIFFERENCE!!!!
Artist
During my time as a Royal Marine I was delegated to do various (to me) daft Soldiering competions against Army Infantry units (from all NATO countries), both in the UK and overseas. And I will tell you now we never, ever farking lost! We always beat them hands down. And that to me was all down to our Mindset and our total commitment as Commandos.
THATS THE DIFFERENCE!!!!
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Just to wind things up a notch or seven.
Artist the Royal Marines were not the original Commandos The first raiding partys of Commandos were ARMY Jocks I think. They did not wear a green lid a green lid means you are a Royal . A commando has quallified after doing a course, it was only when the army stopped training commandos after the second world that the Royals took over sole responsibility for the Commando ROLE.
As they say DISCUSS.
But please do your research first any local liberay will furnish you with a load of well written and offical historys
Artist the Royal Marines were not the original Commandos The first raiding partys of Commandos were ARMY Jocks I think. They did not wear a green lid a green lid means you are a Royal . A commando has quallified after doing a course, it was only when the army stopped training commandos after the second world that the Royals took over sole responsibility for the Commando ROLE.
As they say DISCUSS.
But please do your research first any local liberay will furnish you with a load of well written and offical historys
The Brecon Becons still stand Pen-y Fan is still a pain it makes no differance jnr, snr, selection, it stays with you ............
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I am fully conversant with how the Commandos were formed thank you.
As to your comment ref the Green Lid being a Marine thing...Wrong out (as you well know). The Army Commandos adopted it in 1941. And the term Commando was first used by Winston Churchill, as he was captured by Boar Commandos during the South African war of 1905 and considered them to be rather good at what they did.
A Navy Blue Beret with a red flash behind the Globe & Laurel Capbadge was the first Beret worn by the RM's. Which, to this day it is still worn with Pride by the RM Band Service and also by Royal Marine Recruits during their Commando training.
As a Royal Marine Commando I took the time to find out!
So please stop trying to show how smug and clever you are as an Ex SAS Trooper who is obviously way above this silly sort of stuff.
The SBS has gone tits up because of this farking government (old saying "Not by Strength, by Guile" New Saying "By Strength, by Guile"). Give it time and maybe they will mess about with the SAS Hey?
By the by my father was a Malayan Scout in the fifties. You should know what I mean by that I dare say.
Artist
I am fully conversant with how the Commandos were formed thank you.
As to your comment ref the Green Lid being a Marine thing...Wrong out (as you well know). The Army Commandos adopted it in 1941. And the term Commando was first used by Winston Churchill, as he was captured by Boar Commandos during the South African war of 1905 and considered them to be rather good at what they did.
A Navy Blue Beret with a red flash behind the Globe & Laurel Capbadge was the first Beret worn by the RM's. Which, to this day it is still worn with Pride by the RM Band Service and also by Royal Marine Recruits during their Commando training.
As a Royal Marine Commando I took the time to find out!
So please stop trying to show how smug and clever you are as an Ex SAS Trooper who is obviously way above this silly sort of stuff.
The SBS has gone tits up because of this farking government (old saying "Not by Strength, by Guile" New Saying "By Strength, by Guile"). Give it time and maybe they will mess about with the SAS Hey?
By the by my father was a Malayan Scout in the fifties. You should know what I mean by that I dare say.
Artist
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Neil1955, The Royal Marines have been doing raiding parties since 1664, under many different types of hat. The Army started training raiding parties during the 1940s, inter service rivalries even then, allowed them to take on the traditional role of the Marines until common sense prevailed.Jackson is just going back in time, trying the old tricks. but the Navy has too much to lose and wont let its Marines go to a prick like him.
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I have severed in a County Regiment and the Para's so I have seen the difference at first hand. No one is saying the the Line Regiments are rubbish, what people who have served in the either the Para's or commandos are saying there is a marked difference in the training and dedication between the two. Now if these people want to call them selfs Commandos thats fine, just pass the course it is that easy.
As I said DISCUSS.
Gen Sir Mike Jackson is a para so he,s not going to be on your fav,s list is he , however you made a telling point Blair and his sidekicks can,t leave anything alone,Hoon the loon has to meddle in all aspects of MOD as Minister he thinks thats his job, but Gordon holds the purse strings and will do what every labour gov has ever done use armed forces badly and underfund at same time,Jacksons job is as much political as military so you know who is behind these shenanicins our esteemed future prime minister.
Oh and by the by there,s not a lot of water out on the velt so after thier latest deployments RMs/SBS would be quite at home there,If you serve you do as you are told unless you are a crab air doctor then you go to jail . I still dont understand why he diddent just resign his commision, perhaps someone could enlighten me.
Gen Sir Mike Jackson is a para so he,s not going to be on your fav,s list is he , however you made a telling point Blair and his sidekicks can,t leave anything alone,Hoon the loon has to meddle in all aspects of MOD as Minister he thinks thats his job, but Gordon holds the purse strings and will do what every labour gov has ever done use armed forces badly and underfund at same time,Jacksons job is as much political as military so you know who is behind these shenanicins our esteemed future prime minister.
Oh and by the by there,s not a lot of water out on the velt so after thier latest deployments RMs/SBS would be quite at home there,If you serve you do as you are told unless you are a crab air doctor then you go to jail . I still dont understand why he diddent just resign his commision, perhaps someone could enlighten me.
The Brecon Becons still stand Pen-y Fan is still a pain it makes no differance jnr, snr, selection, it stays with you ............
[quote="Artist"]Neil1955
By the by my father was a Malayan Scout in the fifties. You should know what I mean by that I dare say.
Artist
It is because of the skill and hard work of your father and his comrades that the modern day SAS exists.
They did such a good job that the polliticans of the day changed thier minds about disbanding the regiment alltogether.
By the by my father was a Malayan Scout in the fifties. You should know what I mean by that I dare say.
Artist
It is because of the skill and hard work of your father and his comrades that the modern day SAS exists.
They did such a good job that the polliticans of the day changed thier minds about disbanding the regiment alltogether.
The Brecon Becons still stand Pen-y Fan is still a pain it makes no differance jnr, snr, selection, it stays with you ............
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Im not trying to piss you off Artist but your only speaking your opinions I just want to point out some facts...Artist wrote:I could not give a flying fark how good the bog standard County Regiment Soldier considers himself to be. To me he will never repeat never be as good as a Royal Marine Commando or for that matter a Parachute Regiment Private.
THATS THE DIFFERENCE!!!!
Artist
1) Over a two year rotation of 3week tesex exercises the only regiment to score a level 4 in the Uk was 1STAFFORDS a bog standard county regiment.Marines did it and got a level 3.
2)The winners of the last few cambrain patrols has been RGBW a bog standard county regiment.
3)PWRR private won the VC serving in Al Amarah another bog standard county regiment.
Also our training is 24 weeks not 12/13 as you put,in my platoon there were only nine originals from the original 40 that started.
I admit were not as fit as the para's or Marines but our soldering skills are just as good.You'd be wrong to suggest otherwise.
Artist i agree whole heartedley with your comments.
What gives anyone the right to call there selves commando trained unless you are RM yourself. In the rear with the gear is the place for an infantry unit attached to a commando. The calibre of bloke and trainning is totally different .
Nothing can f@#k me off more than barmy army jumpin at the chance to go front line with the boys who are trainned to do it and call there selves booties.
Anyone who thinks they are unless you have done full RM CDO course are nothing but back door tag alongs thriving off Royals good name to fuel thier ego .
Its as simple as this if you want to be a commando DO THE COURSE THAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT to wear the green lid FULL RM CDO CSE is the only place you will get this , not some half arsed course to make you think you are.
Getting off soap box . If i have offended anyone it is because you fall into the category mentioned above. Solution 32 weeks CTC Devon.
What gives anyone the right to call there selves commando trained unless you are RM yourself. In the rear with the gear is the place for an infantry unit attached to a commando. The calibre of bloke and trainning is totally different .
Nothing can f@#k me off more than barmy army jumpin at the chance to go front line with the boys who are trainned to do it and call there selves booties.
Anyone who thinks they are unless you have done full RM CDO course are nothing but back door tag alongs thriving off Royals good name to fuel thier ego .
Its as simple as this if you want to be a commando DO THE COURSE THAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT to wear the green lid FULL RM CDO CSE is the only place you will get this , not some half arsed course to make you think you are.
Getting off soap box . If i have offended anyone it is because you fall into the category mentioned above. Solution 32 weeks CTC Devon.
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