Homosexuals in the Armed Forces.

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Julientw
An Honourable Lord of Loch Borralan (46337)
High Priest of The Temple of Khonsu
Minister of The Universal Life Church
Poo Pusher
Prong

[harry hackedoff]

I think you`re a closet homocasual, Artiste
I mean, slippers and ovies

There`s nowt wrong with being queer, fark all.
Just don`t jump into my fire trench and tell me you`re gay, because very soon you won`t even be smiling, dear

Oooh, get her

How many more times are we going to be subjected to another "how queer am I post" ffs I didn`t know there were so many boring homos around


I heard that, Pardon Did Harry just say "boring homos?"
Never thought he was like that

[Sticky Blue]

Julientw, are you in the mob? If not, I suggest that this is all down to the usual pi$$ taking and banter and perhaps that is why you can't see it. I have friends who are gay and they take the mick out of me but I don't say they are hetrophobic!

[julientw]

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[Artist]

Julientw

Sit back in your chair and I'll plug you in!

I work with people of all types now I am a civvy. And could not give a flying fark what their angle is ref sexual preferences to be honest. I have some mates who are quite openly Gay (Pete and Mike are legally tied, well they were until Mike found out that Pete was playing around) and it don't bother me in the least. They all know my views and visa versa.

However in the Forces as far as I am concerned an openly Gay bloke or woman is at risk. Heres just one example: A bloke was found out to be a closet Gay by his peers once on HMS Nottingham a type 42 destroyer. He ended up in intensive care when his messmates came back from a Run Ashore in Portsmouth. This used to happen a heck of a lot and still does to this day. If you don't fit in your in trouble in other words.

Whilst working in Portsmouth Dockyard in the Printing office of CinCNavHome I used to have access to loads of Bumph regarding Suicides within the Fleet (mainly because I and my fellow Marines had to print out the results of these tragic Incidents). A large proportion were Gay people who could not cope with the Normal Banter that abounds in any closeknitt group of Servicemen/women. Once the blokes have sussed out that AB Whatever is Gay then his life is going to be one big torment as in he will get stick from all angles. The Majority of Suicides were due to verbal abuse rather than physical abuse in point of fact.

Even though it is now legal to be Gay in the forces I for one would not like to be an openly Gay bloke living and working in the confines of a Warship or a Barracks full to the brim with blokes who would not bat an eyelid at the sight of someone getting the shit kicked out of them for being Different.

Servicemen are not renowned for their Open Attitude towards Gays in other words. You can make it legal by all means but come the day it is a damn good bet that someone is going to cop it if the ale flows or the atmosphere turns nasty.

I was considered different (some say I still am different) because I used to do weird things like Play in Folk Groups and get up early to paint the dawn in Norway. A new guy would sometimes look at me oddly until they sussed out that I was pretty good at my job and could join in with the rest when the occasion arose.

To be different in the Forces is to take on a heavy burden in other words. Bible Bashers would get very short thift from Mne/Pte/AB/SAC Average as well mind. And that was and always has been legal in the forces.

As I gained promotion I sometimes found myself having to deal with different people and to be honest with you if they told me they were Gay that was it. They were out ASAP. Normally I would get them heaved out by using the famous/infamous SNLR system (services no longer required) this way they would not have to go though a Courtmartial get a dishonourable discharge and have to do time in Colchester or the RN DQ's. It wasn't because I detested them but because I knew from experience that once the rest of the lads sussed out what the score was that person was going to go though Hell or, much worse.

Artist

[OMSSMretd]

I think you have hit the nail on the head there Artist, its not a legal issue its more an issue of what is appropriate. The whole unwritten social code of you average serviceman is being re-written and no matter how much legistation takes place people cant simply switch their whole cultural outlook (and yes in my experience serviceman have their own sub culture,wierd as it might be).

[julientw]

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[Artist]

Please try and Grow up you stupid pillock!

You can't just change the way an entire culture thinks and acts with the deft stroke of a pen! To be honest I get fed up with persons of your Ilk sounding off at how unfair such and such is to whatever cause or belief you are supporting.

This is a forum for Service orientated persons not some place for Retoric ref whatever you think is important. Tunnel Vision like you have is not welcome. OK?

Artist

[julientw]

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[OMSSMretd]

Please rephrase in a post of one syllables, this at least would be mildly entertaining. No-one here is seriouslly saying that they hate gays what they are saying is that a service environment is not well suited to being openly gay. As a gay man would you not agree on that one point?

[julientw]

Please rephrase in a post of one syllables, this at least would be mildly entertaining. No-one here is seriouslly saying that they hate gays what they are saying is that a service environment is not well suited to being openly gay. As a gay man would you not agree on that one point?

No I would not agree with your point, for the reason that my sexuality is none of your god damned business! It is social pressure and ingrained prejudice of a victorian generation that is to blame. I could go into historics but would not want to overtax your neural networks.

[harry hackedoff]

Julien, I have a sympathy towards your opinions.
In the world in which you live, they are valid.
In the rose coloured view you hold of "How Life In The Mob Should Be" they sound fine. A Utopian world in which all are equal.

The reality is very different mate, gays who keep it to themselves when in uniform is something that`s been known about for as long as there have been Service Men. The difference between your idylic world and the world we know, is that if men are to spend extended periods in close confinement under conditions of extreme danger and in living conditions which you would baulk at, then they need to be comfortable with the people they are living with, they don`t want to feel someone`s eyes on them as they take a shower. One of the girls said on a similar post recently that "now you know what it means to be female" so yes, I have sympathy.
But in the hard faced reality of life in a fighting troop, there is no room for outragiously homosexual men.
And that`s just tough shit. No amount of legislation will change the attitude of the average Grav, you can`t legislate these common sense opinions away by calling them homophobic discrimination.
Are we clear, because I`m about fed up with posts from beefers with a chip on both shoulders

And as for you Bandy

I have friends who are gay and they take the mick out of me but I don't say they are hetrophobic!

Why would they, you bent bastard
Some of my best friends are straight, by the way

[julientw]

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[Artist]

What I don't like are people with the inability to look at another persons point of view.

Julientw you as far as I can make out have a one track mind. You seem to think that everyones against you right from the start. And to be honest if you continue along these lines you are going to find out that not to many people are going to bother replying to your posts.

As for growing up......No bodies perfect least of all me true. But I like to think I at least tried to help those who were going through Hell because of their orientation be it Sexual, Religious or anything else.

As it said before you cannot expect the entire Armed Forces of this country to suddenly welcome with open arms Homosexuals into there midst with no hassle what so ever. It may well be the law that Homosexuals are now allowed to join the Forces but it's going to take years to get the vast majority of the forces to accept them.

And if you cannot see this then may I suggest you GROW UP!

Artist

[OMSSMretd]

Please rephrase in a post of one syllables, this at least would be mildly entertaining. No-one here is seriouslly saying that they hate gays what they are saying is that a service environment is not well suited to being openly gay. As a gay man would you not agree on that one point?

No I would not with your point, for the reason that my sexuality is none of your god damned business! It is social pressure and ingrained prejudice of a victorian generation that is to blame. I could go into historics but would not want to overtax your neural networks.

Ah Julian but by posting on this very issue you have made it mine and everyone else's business so surely your opion on this subject is very valid in light of your sexuality.