'Forced Out' a book worth a read

[sp10122]

Ratso

if there are other issues beind the review then that is extremely poor for the individual concerned. Especially if he's a serving officer......he should be a better man than that

How is that supporting him?

I've been an NCO as well. We were bordering on an interesting disucssion about PTSD and then just attack me. I didn't read the book, I never said I had, I was talking about wider issues. Don't you think you should read peoples posts before (without NVGs) pointing the finger?

I've had alot of support via PM by Royals for not being a sycophant and I appreciate their honesty. They should not apologise for views expressed by others though, as honourable as their sentiment is. At the same time I cannot apologise for the actions of some idiot Para at this year's March. I can certainly deplore such an idiot but he's disgraced himself, I cannot, unfortunately, change that. You cannot label all people in the same way though.

I'll have a beer with anyone and never sit there calling people idiots.
You think I'm an idiot????? Fine, I thought you might appreciate a serving officer's input into your march amongst what generally seems to be a fine group upholding the spirit that both I and SYB allude to. Obviously not. I'm dissapointed that I got it wrong. I'm no upper class prat, I've worked bloody hard to do this.

I think SYB (regardless of the book, good or bad) has raised the issue of PTSD and made some excellent suggestions. I am an open minded man and think that this is an important issue. Ratso, I'm sorry, I think you've completely lost the point of this and are criticising me for being an officer and especially being in the Army. You talk down to me as much as you feel comfortable with.....and don't call me son.

I defended the Royals a while ago as I said I've never been talked down to by an RM but have been by the Paras. I'd hate to change that view.

[Brian E]

This thread is getting unpleasant.

sp10122:- You can't make comments like the the ones below:about a fellow Royal Marine who you don't know, and NOT expect us his oppos to spring to his defence.

I have not read his book but from what I have read on this thread this man has not stuck at what he has done.
He's a failed RM and a failed Police Officer because he couldn't deal with what he was seeing.

We should of course support those who have problems but at the same timne the vast majority of soldiers don't sell their stories and work hard without the need for limelight.

At the same time we must accept everybodies right to their own point of view even if we don't agree with it.

sp10122:- I feel you have moderated your views somewhat and are taking a more relaxed view on the topic.
You must remember that being a Pongo is one thing, but being a Pongo Rupert is totally different .
However you views are your own and you are welcome to voice them on this forum. As you have already done in a constructive manner.

[sp10122]

Well these quotes are from the same post and the pongo officer - totally different thing??? I've PM'd Brian about it.

I appreciate his sentiment though. However, I do always accept views but never unreasonable abuse.

[ratso]

Sorry but if I offend then it is intentional due to a defensive mechinism which does not shut down easily. You see I have had few good days in the last 22 years other than trying to go down a burn out route.
When you slag off a mate I defend whether Pongo, Marine, Officer or NCO. I have no beef with Pongo,s used to be one, have no beef with officers I know too many of them, was offered a commission in the Army, though when one comes on and slags off one mans work which he has not read then I do step in and sorry but you cannot hide behind the debate and your later posts until you come on here and say you have read the book.

With regards to SON you are young enough to be such and your attitude commends you to those ranks until you have read the book.

You were having a bad day, well I have had 22 years of bad days and it was officers with no experience who ended my career and made un-educated comments at that time without reading all of the book. I read Simons book in two days as have all of my family not one including the Grandmother of a serving RM and a serving RM's wife could put it down.

With regards to the Yomp sorry but yes that one incident has spoilt it for all other service involvement. plus the bitching of one other who was ex-Army. I was the one who wanted to see lots of other services take part, but due to one serious indiscretion that will not now be the case. Sorry RM ONLY!

I myself am having a bad time of it at present and am over sensitive when it comes to what I read by the uninitiated. I too have had a lot of PM's who all agree that you came on looking to upset with a comment then have tried to side step to win approval. Sorry SON that is not a good thing for any one especially an officer to do. You do not win over people by changing sides after your first comment you beg forgiveness at upsetting the likes of myself first.

One thing I alway remember when choosing whether to go Pongo or RM for my career was the crap that I saw on every Army camp with officers who were up themselves with a power trip and a host of different cap badges, the worst was a young officer who had failed to go Para and had risen through the ranks had a real chip not pips on his shoulder, with the we're better than you attitude, then the total change around when I visited RM and saw all the same badge and the respect that went from officer to trained rank. I chose wisely.

Take this the way it is intended I hope you are a good officer and look after your men but you will never measure up to anyone on here unless you first realise that you stepped in the shit up to your pits and then came out smelling just to try and wriggle by trying to be clever with words. For me first impressions count a little too much these days and you have not set anything right for me by mooching into the I was only attitude. Choose your opening carefully as the first salvo can mean victory or defeat and a white flag means you have let down your men.

Now be a good boy read the book then give an opinion which will be informed and educated. Until then I hope you have a nice few days.

[JR]

ratso,Well said, I think you speak for most of us,Including the 'Old and Bold',those that have been there have the right,those that Have'nt Zip It.Aye JR

[Artist]

I have not read the book but want to someday.

PTSD comes in many forms. I went off the rails in 88. The RN at Haslar helped me put into perpective my life and how to carry on, without the Docs help I dread to think what I would have done. Both to myself and my Family. I avoid things likly to upset me and carry on doing my own thing.

This forum helps along with the friends on the forum who seem able to tell when some one is not a Happy Bunny. So cheers to Mike, Owdun, JR, Yorkie (best day I have had for years you old bugger) Andy, Sunman, Archibald in fact all off yer! O and the Aussie renegade Harry.

Artist

[sp10122]

Ratso, again

My first post said I hadn't read it and was talking about the wider issues involved which I then subsequently made very clear.

Again, please read what people have written before just making it up so you can do the most point scoring.

Brian said:

However you views are your own and you are welcome to voice them on this forum. As you have already done in a constructive manner.

I appreciate that from Brian. The 'I've done more than you have' thing so you're not entilted to an opinion is very poor and indicitive of this 'craphat' attitude that dogs 'elite' units. Really, do you think I wouldn't be fit enough to do the Cdo course? We all take different paths, I decided (and took a risk) to be a pilot, I looked very seriously at the RMs but made a choice and one I'm happy with. I don't need to wear a dagger to be good at my job. I'm very impressed by the people that do. I'll be doing P Coy (or the AACC if time permits) later next year.

'Unititiated' - I'm sorry, what do you think we all do, sit around with our thumbs up our arses these days? How many people I know have to get killed until you stop being condescending?

Ratso don't question my values and standards as an officer....compare what I've written to some of the abuse you have and then talk about side stepping.

I'm going to give up on this because you are not interested in what anybody has to say and if they come up with a decent point that contradicts your own you purely get condescending - you don't know what you are talking about - type responses or abuse. Which is why the Royals I think who have been privately supportive can't be bothered to get an unreasonable slagging. The thread and issue is important not people getting a kick out of calling people son.

Artist, it's good to hear the system (and members of this forum) has helped you.


SYB - I wish you all the best and hope the book goes well.

[bongo]

Don't normally like the wolf pack mitty hunt thing but SP( whatever his number) has admitted to being

TA infantry
5 years Intelligence(edited down from 7 after correction from ANR)
worked with the SAS (and signed a non disclosure form)
Mortar Platoon boss on ops
is a AAC Pilot
Is training to be an AAC pilot
Is on his trade course at RAF where ever to be what ever.
is 25 years old
oh and has got his chits in/sights set on his all arms and p company

He certainly is a well rounded soldier

Oh and his input and comments caused me to stop posting on this forum quite a while back (not that they were up to much but hey)

so I'm sulking as well

I would rate my fuse length at 10 minutes were I to meet the unfortunate boy in the pub!

On a different thread "forced out" has been amazoned and is sat on the mat chez Bongo

(Edited by author in a moment of clarity)



Bongo

[sp10122]

I've PM'd the moderators. Bongo, you didn't put one post on this thread. I don't really care if you have a problem with the Army or Officers but I do care about sad individuals who are just out to abuse people.

As you accused me of before, completely unfounded because you couldn't be bothered:

junior racism and bigotry

How long would I last in a pub?.....Get a life.

[bongo]

You being very very angry and my post being very very rude
makes my heart bleed purple p**s


I'm deeply dissapointed with myself for even bothering a post

if you want rude. Why don't you F**K off you waffling, been seen done it all, advice dishing, condescending, rank crawling little swamp stain on the pussers mattress that is life.

Juvenile?

I think so

Toodle pip

[sp10122]

Why don't you F**K off you waffling, been seen done it all, advice dishing, condescending, rank crawling little swamp stain on the pussers mattress that is life.

Oh dear. Don't worry I don't think you are the only one disappointed with your post. I didn't put my history on here. You did.

I am genuinely appalled.

You didn't even have the bottle to reply to my PM.

[bongo]

If you can't spell it don't use it

I refer of course to my illiteracy

I'm of to pub to feel bad about myself for a while

[Sisyphus]

Come along girls.

Either kiss and make up or drop the thread and move on.

[sp10122]

Well how about I pick all of your details out and stick them on here just to be malicious.

[Sisyphus]

Well how about I pick all of your details out and stick them on here just to be mailcious.
I am extremely angry.

Well, if you're referring to mine, feel free. You can be as 'mailcious' as you like.

Things said in anger are usually regretted not long afterwards. And anger is a debilitating emotion. An example is road rage. The other idiot is driving on his/her merry way while the 'victims' blood pressure is off the scale.