Huntley

[RobInDaUK]

On the news it said there was a cockup between Cambridgeshire Police and Humberside Police

From skynews: "Two police forces bungled the vetting of his background which would have revealed that he was a violent, sexual predator".

Heres the link if anyone wants a read on how they bungles the vetting of his background http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,3 ... 98,00.html

[Rotary Booty]

Question for those of you with legal experience:

How can Maxine Carr get 3.5 years, but because she has spent 16 months in custody be out, albeit tagged, in 30 days?

This is reported on the BBCi web site.

Puzzled of Dorset.

[Black Rat]

Rotary, time spent on remand counts as double time, ie for every day you serve it will count as two after conviction.

There is an automatic deduction for good behaviour whicg could be up to (I believe) 50% of toal sentence upon conviction.

The two forces probably never bungled anything.

Unless you are CONVICTED of an offence then you have no record.

We have vast references of intell relating to people but without conviction, then that is all it is.

The police are also governd by the fact that anyone has the right to view (under data protection) the information Police hold on their intell systems which is open to legal challenge.

The legal system has become a big game. Ask anyone involved.

And remember the media do not have to apply the same burden of proof as the Police do. The C.P.S. decides who goes to court, not the Police.
A case has to have a chance of suceeding before it is presented in court.
Hearsay and anecdotal opinion is just that and not admissable.

Ask any Police Officer how many times they have seen the guilty walk away from court, if they ever got there in the first place!

[goldie ex rmp]

How can Maxine Carr get 3.5 years, but because she has spent 16 months in custody be out, albeit tagged, in 30 days

it makes me so angry that she will be out soon.......if you don't know im a prison officer and this remand time counts as time served is a load of shite, she should have been given longer and made to serve the full sentance, even Huntley will not serve life, he will be given what is called a tarrif which basicly means he will serve a minimum of ex amount of years before considered for parole, when out he will remain on life licience which means if he re-offends he will go straight back in and continue his life sentance which will mean nothing to the parents of those two kids. we have very few of what they call natural lifers, i.e they will never get out and this is on dodgy ground what with the human rights thing at the moment(hindley was one of them), even rose west will get out one day, i know what a load of crap.....makes my blood boil

[JR]

There again Goldie,I expect Huntley will be placed on Rule 43 for his own safety.Aye jr

[goldie ex rmp]

jr

There again Goldie,I expect Huntley will be placed on Rule 43 for his own safety.Aye jr

you just know hes off to wakefield with the others

[Tab]

What worries me about all this is that Police where not allowed to disclose what they knew about him on a job application as they would be breaking
the Data Protection Act, nor where they allowed to keep any of his past deeds on computer. Now I think most of us have in our youth had a brush with the law which has not amounted to much and should not be reason for us to hold any type of job. A man that has had a string of sexual complaints from a number of different women over a number of years, plus who has sex with a number of under aged girls should be put on some form register even if they have not been proved. This case just goes to show how a person who does this sort seems to need to keep offending to satisfy he own desires until some one gets killed or badly injured. I know it is to late for Holly and Jessica but lets hope the politicians grasp the nettle and deal with it quickly.

[Sticky Blue]

9 reported incidents of rape and a fistful of accusations of indecent assault... no smoke without fire.
I think Carr was just as suckered as the rest of the world and believed his lies and wanted to help the man she thought she loved. She retracted her statement as soon as the police told her that they thought he had done it.
What Huntley did was sick and calculated. He didn't say anything until they got to court, a copper on the radio said it was an ambush defence and that he knew all the evidence against him and then worked out a defence based on that. He did indicate that certain people around him, his legal people, must have helped him on this story of lies. He was clever and I hope the bastard rots.

[Rotary Booty]

Black Rat and Goldie

Thanks for that, now I'm not puzzled anymore.............. just very frustrated with the law as it is!

If Maxine Carr was protecting the man she loved so much, why was she away, cheating on him, with a 17 yrs old rugby player, the weekend this all happened!

Aye, Derek

[Sticky Blue]

If Maxine Carr was protecting the man she loved so much, why was she away, cheating on him, with a 17 yrs old rugby player, the weekend this all happened!

I have not heard that one mate... perhaps it was more out of fear having seen the recent news report.
He was a first class bastard!
PS He, and her, come from my home town... I might even know him having just found out his real surname!

[Blue Streak]

Just thought l would add my two pence worth. Thankgod he was found guilty...two thirty year tariffs should see him die in prison. Carr, well by my maths won't be in prison long maybe 3 months tops. Life for her in this country is over and not a penny should be spent on her protection or relocation. Having seen the documentary tonight about the case l am starting to believe she may have not fully known or let her self believe he had done it. I think Cambs Police can honestly say they did nothing wrong. As previously mentioned he will have no record on the police national computer as he was never convicted and l am led to believe intelligence wise he was unknown locally to. What efforts Humberside made l know not but once he moved it was a clean slate. I truly believe having heard his background whatever role he played in the community his character and mental state would have led him to offend. The murders were opportunistic, no more. I only wish peace in the hearts of the two families and for god to take his time with Huntley and Carr

[Sisyphus]

Just thought l would add my two pence worth. Thankgod he was found guilty

Amen to that BS

I was getting worried that it took 4 1/2 days to come up with a verdict. My only guess is that they were arguing about Carr's level of involvement. I'll buy a paper tomorrow {not a usual occurrence} to try and get more background.

At the end of the day, 12 people, ex-squaddies, accountants, housewives, bus drivers, bin men, secretaries, shop managers, whatever......... heard ALL the evidence. It still took them >4 days and one obviously had a problem??????? Surely, it can only have been about Carr? Huntley was bang-to-rights.

Anyway, I'm glad they never knew about his 'previous'. He can't now argue that the jurers were influenced by his past. Bye-bye b*******D!

[Sticky Blue]

Blue Streak... I'm with you on that one mate except the end...

The murders were opportunistic, no more.

As he had kept 'trophies' it is an indication, according to the profilers, that he is an organised serial killer. Well he might have been had he not got caught. Why didn't he bin them before? Who knows? I think the main question that everyone would like to know is WHY and HOW? I doubt we will ever find out as that would be an admission of his guilt. I don't want to know for myself but would like the parents, if they wanted to know, the answers. I hope the families stay together because in cases like these the family is often driven apart. As for Maxine Carr being finished I'll lay money that some editor somewhere is sending his teams out now to negotiate and exclusive with her agent!
Blood suckers the press

[Wholley]

So he gets to spend the rest of his life on easy street
at the British tax payers expense.Death Penalty comes to mind.
Sorry,didn't mean to mess with your Justice? system.
Ship the Bastard over here and I'll plug him in.Or give him a ten second
start.
Wholley.

[Sticky Blue]

Wholley, we have an executioner on a retainer just in case we ever need him. He is the son of Albert Pierpoint, I read his autobiography and it makes good reading... Huntley will live in segregation with Sky TV and all the other child offenders. I'm not a millitant but I'd give him 10 seconds head start after he'd been given truth drugs and been forced to retell the whole sorry story for the parents benefit. I hope the bastard has a slow and painful death.