Hi all. Good to meet you all.
I am ex Royal Hampshire Regiment 1986-1990. Served in a rifle coy til 1988 when I passed my sniper cadre, then moved to Recce Plt.
Served Tidworth, Kenya, South Armagh and Londonderry and a few other places on NATO exercises. Got out just before the death of the regiment. We amalgamated with The Queens and are now POWRR.
I`m now on a Tactical Firearms Team in one of the soft, southern, shandy drinking constabularys. Still a rifleman (can`t be called a sniper coz that scares the public).
I hope to make a few new muckers here and if possible, pass on some advice/ knowledge.
Right make a hole at the bar, coz I understand new boy buys the beers and I`ve got my hand in my pocket.
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Does the new guy have to carry the 84mm?
Hello mate
Yep you gotta be a bobby first. You have to be out of your probation and they often prefer a few more years than that too. You can`t simply transfer from the military.
A police Tactical Firearms Team is trained in rapid intervention, seige bustin, hostage rescue, armed covert surveillance, abseiling, vehicle strikes etc etc. All the sexy stuff basically.
So no I don`t just "walk round with an MP5".
Yep you gotta be a bobby first. You have to be out of your probation and they often prefer a few more years than that too. You can`t simply transfer from the military.
A police Tactical Firearms Team is trained in rapid intervention, seige bustin, hostage rescue, armed covert surveillance, abseiling, vehicle strikes etc etc. All the sexy stuff basically.
So no I don`t just "walk round with an MP5".
Haha...i was only messin' with you there. Sounds interesting stuff, very interesting...Longshot wrote: So no I don`t just "walk round with an MP5".
Well i'm with a recruit with TA Infantry Unit at the mo..whilst at Uni (booooring) ( I mean Uni is boring) I'm looking at the the RAF Regiment or Light Infantry after Uni..who knows.
Anyway...watch out for the thousands of Royal marines on this site (the place is full of 'em)
Have fun, Rob
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Re: Does the new guy have to carry the 84mm?
So Longshot I guess you must be a northern monkey then.Longshot wrote: I`m now on a Tactical Firearms Team in one of the soft, southern, shandy drinking constabularys.
Welcome to the forum.
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Well I figured I either get the 84 or the jimpy.
No I`m not a northern monkey. I can`t really say I`m from anywhere in particular. Army brat me. Born in Cyprus and spent my childhood in Europe only having four years of it in the UK.
Only joined the Royal Hampshires coz I wanted to be a grunt and the recruiting sargeant in the careers office was a Royal Hampshire.
No I`m not a northern monkey. I can`t really say I`m from anywhere in particular. Army brat me. Born in Cyprus and spent my childhood in Europe only having four years of it in the UK.
Only joined the Royal Hampshires coz I wanted to be a grunt and the recruiting sargeant in the careers office was a Royal Hampshire.
Rockape, yeah you`re right. They can be a bit snotty about it. Thats one of the reasons why they prefer coppers who`ve got a few years in - it gives time to ease out of "militaryness". (Is that really a word?)
I think they worry that squaddies don`t have a lot of experience in justification.
In saying all that, it definately helps to be ex military because you already know weapon discipline, marksmanship principles, tactical movement etc.
50% of my unit are ex military.
I think they worry that squaddies don`t have a lot of experience in justification.
In saying all that, it definately helps to be ex military because you already know weapon discipline, marksmanship principles, tactical movement etc.
50% of my unit are ex military.
They can be a bit snotty about it. Thats one of the reasons why they prefer coppers who`ve got a few years in - it gives time to ease out of "militaryness".
We have a big problem with this as well (in the US). Most of my friends from the military are ex-marines with extensive training in anti-terrorism, marksmanship, etc. and they have more hoops to go through than civvies do. Go figure! They don't always respect the extent of training and experience the military gives these guys already. I believe your comment about easing out of military life is a major portion of this. As a female, I think I had a somewhat easier time of being excepted by the civilian community/work force. Then again, I trained to become a massage therapist while I was in the military and started my own practice when I got out. I didn't have to deal with the transition and the mentality of civilians and how we need to adapt to being a civilian again. Is the military a disease we have to overcome or something? I often find the civilian world would be a better place if they looked at some of the finer points of being in the military!!!Just interested, how did the Police view your previous military experience when you applied for firearms? I've heard that some forces don't like accepting ex-services people, particularly infantry and the like, onto firearms teams.
BTW - Now that I'm off my soapbox, I'd appreciate that pint Longshot!
Shel
"The greater the difficulty, the more the glory in surmounting it." - Epicurus
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I think civvy street would be a better place if it was run by the army --ooooh no i am not proposing a coup argentina style - .
Yep I do think the military is a disease as most ex-army get exasperated by a lot of things when they get out on civvy street. They have little tolerance for bad time-keeping, excuses, repeated mistakes by staff and generally call a spade a bloody spade. They have a higher stamina level in the workplace but I do tend to find sometimes this inflexibility (sometimes i repeat) leads to a lack of initiative as things are more flexible in civilian environments and they need to get used to that. Of course it depends where you work, what kind of job you do etc. Ex-army blokes are sought after as middle management because sometimes they need a sergeant major in the office pool to run things. They tend to get the job done. Often we get bored and it is an anti-climax from army life and we all tend to rejoin the Territorials or National Guard whatever you have in the States.
Yep I do think the military is a disease as most ex-army get exasperated by a lot of things when they get out on civvy street. They have little tolerance for bad time-keeping, excuses, repeated mistakes by staff and generally call a spade a bloody spade. They have a higher stamina level in the workplace but I do tend to find sometimes this inflexibility (sometimes i repeat) leads to a lack of initiative as things are more flexible in civilian environments and they need to get used to that. Of course it depends where you work, what kind of job you do etc. Ex-army blokes are sought after as middle management because sometimes they need a sergeant major in the office pool to run things. They tend to get the job done. Often we get bored and it is an anti-climax from army life and we all tend to rejoin the Territorials or National Guard whatever you have in the States.
Have to admit that you are right on the money. Lucky for me, I was pretty much like that before I even joined the military (c'alling a spade a spade'). Comes from being a military brat I guess.
I personally don't have much tolerance for incompetency in the workplace. For some we would call that low "C" behavior (conscientiousness - as related to competence, order, dutifulness, deliberation, self-discipline and achievement striving). The military pretty much beats it into you any way they can and it is hard to deviate from it. Flexibility seems to be the key to finding the happy middle-ground when going from military to civvie world!
I personally don't have much tolerance for incompetency in the workplace. For some we would call that low "C" behavior (conscientiousness - as related to competence, order, dutifulness, deliberation, self-discipline and achievement striving). The military pretty much beats it into you any way they can and it is hard to deviate from it. Flexibility seems to be the key to finding the happy middle-ground when going from military to civvie world!
"The greater the difficulty, the more the glory in surmounting it." - Epicurus
Police basic training for me was a doddle in most respects. No bedblocks, no blockjobs, most people brought their duvets..mine of course was a Union Jack. Our drill instructor was an ex guardsman, but all his best drill square shouting and screaming was lost, because there was no guardroom to be beasted in if you got any drill wrong. Never did I hear "get that belt and hat off and get yourself down the guardroom!!" They did have show parades until one bloke decided that if he was to report after normal working hours on a show parade then the job owed him overtime. That stumped the head sheds and all show parades ended.
Cleaners cleaned our rooms and ablutions. There was a curfew (2315hrs), and there was a rule of no blokes allowed in the womens block but I understand that has all gone now.
So- discipline? Despite a few non military types crying about how strict the discipline was, there was no evidence of discipline. I was never balled out or had my head chewed off, nor did I see anyone have to bull a dustbin till a CSM type could see his own shit eating grin in its reflection. No locker inspections, changing parades, beastings by PTIs etc
The trouble I had (as I often do now)was dealing with all the PC bullshit and the nicey, nicey way that things were dealt with. Unfortunately it could cost me my job to call a spade a spade. I could tell you many a story of good people who have lost their jobs because of something they said amongst all the knee jerking thats gone on now that the world believes we are all racist or sexist bigots.
It isn`t all gloom and doom. I`ve met some fantastic people in this job (most of them ex military).
Oh yeah and joy of all joys...I`m working over Christmas....nights!!!
Bah humbug.
Cleaners cleaned our rooms and ablutions. There was a curfew (2315hrs), and there was a rule of no blokes allowed in the womens block but I understand that has all gone now.
So- discipline? Despite a few non military types crying about how strict the discipline was, there was no evidence of discipline. I was never balled out or had my head chewed off, nor did I see anyone have to bull a dustbin till a CSM type could see his own shit eating grin in its reflection. No locker inspections, changing parades, beastings by PTIs etc
The trouble I had (as I often do now)was dealing with all the PC bullshit and the nicey, nicey way that things were dealt with. Unfortunately it could cost me my job to call a spade a spade. I could tell you many a story of good people who have lost their jobs because of something they said amongst all the knee jerking thats gone on now that the world believes we are all racist or sexist bigots.
It isn`t all gloom and doom. I`ve met some fantastic people in this job (most of them ex military).
Oh yeah and joy of all joys...I`m working over Christmas....nights!!!
Bah humbug.
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