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The Battle of Trafalgar 1805
This great deciding naval battle of the Napoleonic Wars took place between 27 British ships under Admiral Nelson and 33 French and Spanish vessels under Admiral Villeneuve.

Needing to clear the British from the English Channel to allow an invasion of his implaccable national enemy, Napoleon Bonaparte wanted his navy to escape the British blockade, draw it away from Europe to the West Indies and then, after joining up with the Spanish, returning to hold the narrow stretch of water long enough to allow the crossing of his army.

Surprisingly, Villeneuve did manage to slip through the blockade and a rare error by Nelson gave the French more than a week's head start. By the time he reached the West Indies the combined enemy fleet had begun returning towards Europe and safe harbour in Cadiz.

Determined to bottle up and destroy his foe, Nelson and his fleet prowled waiting for an opportunity and that came faster than expected.

Bonaparte, believing there was only a small blockading force outside Cadiz, ordered Villeneuve from port and into the Mediterranean.

To his horror, the French admiral found himself caught between Nelson's fleet and cut off from safety by the blockading squadron.

On 21 October, Nelson sighted his prey and gave the order "England expects that every man will do his duty."

After outlining a radical plan of attack to his captains, Nelson ordered the British fleet to head in two lines towards the in-line French and Spanish.

This would open up his vessels to enemy broadsides, but would split their formidable line, reduce the odds and then allow the better-trained British sailors to use their superior gunnery and sailing skills to destroy at close range.

The plan worked brilliantly and with the French vanguard cut out of the battle by the British slicing through the fleet, Nelson's men proceeded to take the enemy fleet apart.

Britain did not lose a ship, while 18 enemy vessels were destroyed. Some 14,000 French and Spanish sailors were lost, ten times the British casualties.

However, the most notable death at Trafalgar was Nelson who was shot by a sharpshooter as the Victory passed by the Redoubtable.

Mortally wounded, he died several hours later, but was safe in the knowledge he had won a massive victory.

Some thought must be given to his captured opponent Villeneuve who had been driven into Nelson's sights by Bonaparte's orders.

On his return to France, the humiliated Villeneuve killed himself with a dagger, unable to put up with the shame of defeat.

Trafalgar ended any chance France had of invading Britain and, from 1805 onwards, Bonaparte largely kept his military operations to terra firma.

Well I had to start with the greatest Naval battle of the British Navy. Admiral Nelson and HMS Victory and the Royal Navy truly did clean up that day.

I fill so proud to be English and British. :D


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For those people who want to get a virtual idea of what happened have a look at this.

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Was Trafalgar the greatest British Naval Battle, well if the Armada had not been defeated the battle of Trafalgar would have never taken place.

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Tab wrote:Was Trafalgar the greatest British Naval Battle, well if the Armada had not been defeated the battle of Trafalgar would have never taken place.

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True Tab, but as David Brent (Ricky Gervais) once said if only my aunty had bollox’s she would be my uncle. :wink:

Well the Armada nearly did not sail, after it was caught in a storm only hours after leaving Spain, it had to return to spain to repair the damaged ships. I believe that it took a number of months before they could set sail again for england.
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England should have its own national holiday, if it ever did it ought to somehow coincide with either Trafalgar Day and St George's Day (oh hell to it lets have a two day holiday)

The Maritime Museum at Greenwich is a fantastic place to view memorabilia of Nelson and with the bicentennary due in 2005 I hope someone in Government celebrates the event. I note that a lottery grant has been awarded to the Nelson (Britannia) monument at Gt Yarmouth to repair the column, it is in a sad state of repair at the moment
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Spannerman wrote:England should have its own national holiday, if it ever did it ought to somehow coincide with either Trafalgar Day and St George's Day (oh hell to it lets have a two day holiday)
I agree with you Spannerman, a two day holiday sound's excellent.
Spannerman wrote:The Maritime Museum at Greenwich is a fantastic place to view memorabilia of Nelson and with the bicentennary due in 2005 I hope someone in Government celebrates the event. I note that a lottery grant has been awarded to the Nelson (Britannia) monument at Gt Yarmouth to repair the column, it is in a sad state of repair at the moment.
It's a great Museum I work down the road from it in Lewisham. Have you ever visited it Spannerman ? A year or so ago they had a Titanic expedition it was very good. :)
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Stand by for 2005... BIG celebrations are planned for the anniversary of the battle. I think some Naval Historians might dispute the greatest Victory etc. The funny thing about Naval Battles is that they were fought out at sea and there were not many (if any) spectators!
Drums beating, colours flying and bayonets fixed...
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Went to Greenwich just before the Milennium bash and have passed it several times on the Thames, plus walking under the Thames Tunnel Bridge from Canary Wharf Gardens, the best view of Greenwich is from the North Bank of the Thames, Cutty Sark, Gipsy Moth IV and the splendour of the buildings is a must-see . Great place, great palace and great museum, the paintings as large as 'The Fighting Temeraire' by Turner are on display so pictures were graphically recorded, I think since my last visit the exhibition might have been condensed, I recall reading this somewhere.

I suppose arguably that Nelson must be our country's (UK) greatest hero with the likes of Churchill, Monty, Wellington etc and the events of 2005 hopefully will be quite a spectacle. Mustn't forget though the first Great Naval Battle fought off Shotley Point between King Alfreds Navy and the Danes.
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Did your Navy fight Spain and France at the same time?
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Yep fought two nations at the same time and won, another great battle was the Battle of Sole Bay fought off Southwold, it goes something like, The Dutch and French Navies joined forces to attack the Royal Navy who were ashore in the Southwold area in the 17thC (?), somehow the peed up sailors were rounded up took to their man 'o wars, out to sea and proceeded to do battle, the French fleet scarpered (heard that before) leaving the Brits to fight the Dutch, much damage inflicted on both sides and a great loss of life inflicted. I believe the Admiral of the Fleet's body was washed up off Harwich a few weeks later still wearing his full uniform. That is how my memory recalls the events of history, I will have to check up on the facts!
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BATTLE OF SOLEBAY
The Battle of Solebay, which took place on 28th May 1672, marked the opening of the Third Anglo-Dutch War (1672-4), . An Anglo-French fleet under the command of James, Duke of York (Lord High Admiral and later James II) in PRINCE, with the Earl of Sandwich in ROYAL JAMES, and Vice-Admiral Comte d'Estrees in ST. PHILIPPE commanding the French division fought the Dutch fleet, under Michel de Ruyter, Lieutenant Admiral of Holland and Admiral of the Fleet.

The Dutch fleet lay at anchor of Malcheren Island waiting for and opportunity to strike at the Allied fleets and thereby open the North Sea for Dutch shipping. It was the Duke of York's plan to place the Allied fleets off the Dogger Bank, so that he could cut off the Dutch fleet from its home ports if it moved. However, the British ships were ill found and short of men because of the reluctance of Parliament to provide the necessary funds. Before the fleet could take up position, it was necessary for it to replenish and re-equip, and the combined fleets therefore sailed for Sole Bay. Here they received several thousands seamen and soldiers sent up from London, as well as a number of Gentlemen Volunteers anxious to have a share in any glory. One of the army detachments was a company of the First Guards (now the Grenadier Guards), including Ensign Churchill, later Duke of Marlborough.

The ships lay in the open roadstead of Sole Bay for three days, busy with the task of taking onboard men, provisions, and ammunition. This was to provide de Ruyter with the opportunity for which he had been waiting. On the morning of 27th May, with an easterly wind favouring a Dutch attack, the Earl of Sandwich complained of the risk and asked to put to sea. His warnings were not welcomed, and despite his experience and record were attributed to over-caution. However, as a gesture by the Duke of York some scouts were sent out from the squadrons.

As the next day dawned, one of the scouts (a French frigate), returned to give the alarm that the entire Dutch fleet was hot on her heels. There was immediate confusion - the flagship was still careened and it took some time to refloat her. By the time this had been achieved, and the 90 or so ships had put to sea, the Dutch fleet were already in sight on the horizon. It was originally planned that the French Squadron (the White) would take the van, but in the confusion they found themselves place in the rear. At this point, the French carried out an extraordinary manoeuvre which has still not been explained. Instead of following the British fleet north, they took the opposite tack and headed off South. No satisfactory information has been given for this, and it was never clear whether this was deliberate or a mistake. Whatever the reason, the French apparently took very little part in
the rest of the action.

De Ruyter, with 70 ships, now had a superiority of two to one over the Duke of York's division in the first part of the battle, and the fighting was intense. The Duke of York's flagship was the obvious target, and was hard pressed. She was struck by fire from several Dutchmen, attacked by fireships, and her decks swept by musket fire. By afternoon she was so badly damaged in the hull and rigging that she could no longer function as a flagship, and the Duke was forced to transfer his flag to ST.MICHAEL. When she also succumbed to severe damage, he and his staff were rowed through the thick of the action to LONDON.

Meanwhile, the Earl of Sandwich in ROYAL JAMES had problems of his own. The ship was
brought to a standstill when it snagged a small Dutch vessel under its bowsprit, and was promptly the target of fire-ships. The Earl showed remarkable aplomb, pacing the quarterdeck with his personal officers, until the flames drove them over the side and into the sea, where he drowned. His body was recovered several days later. The ROYAL JAMES sank following an explosion.

The battle finally ended at sunset, where the possible return of the French division and the failing light caused the Dutch to withdraw. Losses on the Allied side had been heavy, with many ships damaged and the ROYAL JAMES lost. However, the Dutch also suffered damage and loss - two Dutch vessels became prizes, another was sunk, and a fourth blew up. It had been a particularly bloody battle, and bodies were washed ashore for some time afterward. In some respects, though, the battle was inconclusive, and both sides claimed victory. The Anglo-French fleet held the sea and had captured prizes, but the Dutch claimed that they had succeeded in their main objective of preventing the fleet from crossing the North Sea to support the French in the Netherlands.

The badge of HMS SOLEBAY incorporates the White Rose of York to commemorate the Duke of York's role in the battle.
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Spannerman wrote:Went to Greenwich just before the Milennium bash and have passed it several times on the Thames, plus walking under the Thames Tunnel Bridge from Canary Wharf Gardens, the best view of Greenwich is from the North Bank of the Thames, Cutty Sark, Gipsy Moth IV and the splendour of the buildings is a must-see . Great place, great palace and great museum, the paintings as large as 'The Fighting Temeraire' by Turner are on display so pictures were graphically recorded, I think since my last visit the exhibition might have been condensed, I recall reading this somewhere.
Another great view of the Greenwich is next to the Observatory. Looking down the hill you can see The Old Royal Naval College, Canary Wharf, The Maritime Museum at Greenwich. One of my favourite view of London without a doubt. :o :D


The Battle of Solebay which I myself did not know much about until now. To read The Duke of York's flagship was the obvious target, and was hard pressed. She was struck by fire from several Dutchmen, attacked by fireships, and her decks swept by musket fire. By afternoon she was so badly damaged in the hull and rigging that she could no longer function as a flagship, and the Duke was forced to transfer his flag to ST.MICHAEL. When she also succumbed to severe damage, he and his staff were rowed through the thick of the action to LONDON. now that must have been one rough and scary row. :o :o
At this point, the French carried out an extraordinary manoeuvre which has still not been explained. Instead of following the British fleet north, they took the opposite tack and headed off South. No satisfactory information has been given for this, and it was never clear whether this was deliberate or a mistake.
Now something familiar like this happened at The Battle of Trafalgar, when the Nelson split the Spanish and French fleet's into 3. Some of the French fleet turned south but then they tried to get back to the battle. And by the time they turned round and were ready to fight, the battle was already lost.
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Cool Spannerman, our history books inschool don't cite that specifically. You have to pay close attention to the dates. You know why you won though right? Viking blood ya'll got in you. The Royal Navy has always been on top of its game, except in the FalklandsI think. Those Argie jets I was suprised broke into your fleet air space. You kicked their ass anyway though, it was just suprising to me that they actually hit your ships. We had the Stark get hit in 88, same kind of deal, but it was alone, fishy story.
We based our Navy off of yours because of your tactics and seamanship actually. Wish we'd kept the rum though.
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Jason I am not interested in the sexually preferences of your aunts and uncles, but the fact remains the same if the Armada had not been defeated then Trafalgar would never have been fought

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Tab wrote:Jason I am not interested in the sexually preferences of your aunts and uncles, but the fact remains the same if the Armada had not been defeated then Trafalgar would never have been fought

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Tab don't know if you have sone thing in your eye but I wrote
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Sad to say that Ricky Gervais is not my uncle :(, nor is he my aunt :o

But the fact remains Tab IF Armada had not been defeated then Trafalgar would never have been fought. But it was and Trafalgar did happen, Tab as I said above I agreed with you on that, no need to get personally is there.
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biggest naval defeat: Chatham :lol:

The Dutch in the Medway
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IF WARS were won by feasting,
Or victory by song,
Or safety found in sleeping sound,
How England would be strong!
But honour and dominion
Are not maintainéd so,
They’re only got by sword and shot,
And this the Dutchmen know!

The moneys that should feed us,
You spend on your delight,
How can you then have sailor-men
To aid you in your fight?
Our fish and cheese are rotten,
Which makes the scurvy grow—
We cannot serve you if we starve,
And this the Dutchmen know!

Our ships in every harbour
Be neither whole nor sound,
And, when we seek to mend a leak,
No oakum can be found,
Or, if it is, the caulkers,
And carpenters also,
For lack of pay have gone away,
And this the Dutchmen know!

Mere powder, guns, and bullets,
We scarce can get at all,
Their price was spent in merriment
And revel at Whitehall,
While we in tattered doublets
From ship to ship must row,
Beseeching friends for odds and ends—
And this the Dutchmen know!

No King will heed our warnings,
No Court will pay our claims—
Our King and Court for their disport
Do sell the very Thames!
For, now De Ruyter’s topsails,
Off naked Chatham show,
We dare not meet him with our fleet—
And this the Dutchmen know!
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