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'Forced Out' a book worth a read
Bloody hell I need some Prozac or something I got so mad with the G&L I sent them a quick note below.......
I find it thoroughly infuriating that your review of this excellent book has been such a diabolical insult to literary talent.
I take it that the person reviewing this excellent work was non other than Captain Cameron Marsh.
It shows through that this was not one of the lads whom this was directed at.
To put matters right perhaps you should take time to read past the title and have a more concise knowledge of the condition which we are all suffering from, as it is obvious that CJM is a total pratt and with the job he is now titled (if it is Captain Cameron Marsh) with, this shows he should not be in charge of such a delicate operational deployment, stick him back behind a desk where he can send out letters to wives who need support, no second thoughts he would F**K that up as well as the other bloody plonker.
How to be totally F/O with the Corps narrow minded stupidity twice in one week.
Cradle to the Grave.... phhhhh give us a break you can't even look after the ones you have let alone the ones you had.
Take time to read all the messages on www.forcedout.co.uk then sack CJM and get a true appraisal of an excellent book from someone who can read past the first two words.
Guess I'm off the chribo card list.... AGAIN!
I find it thoroughly infuriating that your review of this excellent book has been such a diabolical insult to literary talent.
I take it that the person reviewing this excellent work was non other than Captain Cameron Marsh.
It shows through that this was not one of the lads whom this was directed at.
To put matters right perhaps you should take time to read past the title and have a more concise knowledge of the condition which we are all suffering from, as it is obvious that CJM is a total pratt and with the job he is now titled (if it is Captain Cameron Marsh) with, this shows he should not be in charge of such a delicate operational deployment, stick him back behind a desk where he can send out letters to wives who need support, no second thoughts he would F**K that up as well as the other bloody plonker.
How to be totally F/O with the Corps narrow minded stupidity twice in one week.
Cradle to the Grave.... phhhhh give us a break you can't even look after the ones you have let alone the ones you had.
Take time to read all the messages on www.forcedout.co.uk then sack CJM and get a true appraisal of an excellent book from someone who can read past the first two words.
Guess I'm off the chribo card list.... AGAIN!
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The Reply....
I am sorry that you feel the way you do. The book was given to CJM as he is the Corps' expert in his field and his opinions are valued.
I will forward your comments on to him so that he may reply personally if he wishes.
Regards
John Hillier
Editor
Pity the Corps seems to give Jobs out to people who can't read properly, or research their subject.
How is it that the people who are trusted to do the job of support and welfare within the Armed Forces are all total idiots who are past the point of no return.
I still think the best people to help with PTSD are not desk jockey officers but people who have been in the front line. This idiot should stick to tactics at Sandhurst and not proclaim himself to be an expert in something he clearly has no true understanding of.
I am sorry that you feel the way you do. The book was given to CJM as he is the Corps' expert in his field and his opinions are valued.
I will forward your comments on to him so that he may reply personally if he wishes.
Regards
John Hillier
Editor
Pity the Corps seems to give Jobs out to people who can't read properly, or research their subject.
How is it that the people who are trusted to do the job of support and welfare within the Armed Forces are all total idiots who are past the point of no return.
I still think the best people to help with PTSD are not desk jockey officers but people who have been in the front line. This idiot should stick to tactics at Sandhurst and not proclaim himself to be an expert in something he clearly has no true understanding of.
Falklands Veterans Foundation
www.fvf.org.uk www.yomp30.co.uk
Save the Fearless www.hmsfearless.co.uk
Give Her A Home So We Can All Remember
www.fvf.org.uk www.yomp30.co.uk
Save the Fearless www.hmsfearless.co.uk
Give Her A Home So We Can All Remember
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Well said Ratso, but it does not suprise me that the mail you got back from the G&B was just a cop out. I can just see the corps Idea of help, cross between Colchester and CTC. No doubt the ethos will be this ones gone soft lets knock him back in to shape.
Simons book helped me so B****s to CJM
Got loads of head and sholders for you by the way
Bean
Simons book helped me so B****s to CJM
Got loads of head and sholders for you by the way
Bean
Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising every time we fail. - Confucius
There is going to be a feature about this book and the author in the national news paper
THE WEEKLY NEWS.
Either next week or week after
Is everyone still getting ready for next years yomp
THE WEEKLY NEWS.
Either next week or week after
Is everyone still getting ready for next years yomp
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I have not read his book but from what I have read on this thread this man has not really stuck at what he has done.
He's failed as an RM and as a Police Officer because he couldn't deal with what he was seeing.
Some of us find it hard to do this job and we all see hard things but that's what we do....we're soldiers. If I couldn't do it I would do something else. I'd be a civvi. Of course some don't take it too well but I wouldn't write a book and make money out of the experiences me and my friends did as part of the service.
Apologies if I really have missed the point of this. We should of course support those who have problems but at the same timne the vast majority of soldiers don't sell their stories and work hard without the need for limelight.
Apologies if I sound p***ed off...bad day.
He's failed as an RM and as a Police Officer because he couldn't deal with what he was seeing.
Some of us find it hard to do this job and we all see hard things but that's what we do....we're soldiers. If I couldn't do it I would do something else. I'd be a civvi. Of course some don't take it too well but I wouldn't write a book and make money out of the experiences me and my friends did as part of the service.
Apologies if I really have missed the point of this. We should of course support those who have problems but at the same timne the vast majority of soldiers don't sell their stories and work hard without the need for limelight.
Apologies if I sound p***ed off...bad day.
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Well we are all allowed our opinions, though YES you do need to read this book. When you consider that most books are written with peoples experiences in mind then this one is well worth a read as it is factual and deals with issues that affect most people who serve with the Forces, be that Armed or Civil. The experiences show the later pains that many who are serving can look forward to at later stages in life.
Simon is a brave man who has had the courage to publish his pain something which many of us should do. When you suffer from PTSD you come to realise that this pain can knock you clean down to your back.
RUPERT please take this on the chin if you are having a bad day could it be due to what you yourself have seen or been party to. Later in your life the memories will be like video tape always re-winding and re-playing just when you don't want or need them to.
So YES take time to read this one and you may be enlightened as to why so many of us are suffering so much and why you may well be one to be next on the list for the shrinks treatment.
Bloody hell I must be having a good day one of the few I've had in twenty years.
READ THE BLOODY BOOK SON
Simon is a brave man who has had the courage to publish his pain something which many of us should do. When you suffer from PTSD you come to realise that this pain can knock you clean down to your back.
RUPERT please take this on the chin if you are having a bad day could it be due to what you yourself have seen or been party to. Later in your life the memories will be like video tape always re-winding and re-playing just when you don't want or need them to.
So YES take time to read this one and you may be enlightened as to why so many of us are suffering so much and why you may well be one to be next on the list for the shrinks treatment.
Bloody hell I must be having a good day one of the few I've had in twenty years.
READ THE BLOODY BOOK SON
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Give Her A Home So We Can All Remember
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Failed? I think you will find it is left the RM & left the police... the question is WHY? Read the book SP and you will see why!
Ratso, interesting point about the Video replaying itself. As you, and many others know, the video is like all of the worst horror films you have ever seen except you are in it and they are real events.
Ratso, interesting point about the Video replaying itself. As you, and many others know, the video is like all of the worst horror films you have ever seen except you are in it and they are real events.
Drums beating, colours flying and bayonets fixed...
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SP10122, its difficult to be taken seriously if you are commenting on a book which you havent read.
I am not sure what is classfied as a failed marine, I certainly wouldnt describe Simon as one.
Anyone who leaves the police service on ill health grounds cannot be described as a failed police Officer. Trust me.
Remember most of us are on operational duty 24/7 and many is the time I have thought about leaving, especially after dealing with dead, abused or severly injured children.
I have seen good police officers crack and in no way would I describe them as failures. Some I have entrusted my life to and as an Officer on the armed response unit I have faced more danger than I ever did as a Booty. Again, trust me.
I have had a very bad day but will be back again tomorrow as I have for the last 15 years and will do so, god willing for the next 15.
We are all different. Some of us are better able to deal with death destruction and misery. The difference is that in the police, its there day after day after day. It doesnt stop. We dont have exercises. Evey day is operational.
I am glad for one that Simon was able to tell his story. I have known at least three very able and good colleagues take there own lives. Perhaps if they had read his book, it may have helped.
I believe the job I do is probably the best in the world, otherwise I wouldnt do it.
Read the book, I think you may learn a lot from it, if only about yourself.
I am not sure what is classfied as a failed marine, I certainly wouldnt describe Simon as one.
Anyone who leaves the police service on ill health grounds cannot be described as a failed police Officer. Trust me.
Remember most of us are on operational duty 24/7 and many is the time I have thought about leaving, especially after dealing with dead, abused or severly injured children.
I have seen good police officers crack and in no way would I describe them as failures. Some I have entrusted my life to and as an Officer on the armed response unit I have faced more danger than I ever did as a Booty. Again, trust me.
I have had a very bad day but will be back again tomorrow as I have for the last 15 years and will do so, god willing for the next 15.
We are all different. Some of us are better able to deal with death destruction and misery. The difference is that in the police, its there day after day after day. It doesnt stop. We dont have exercises. Evey day is operational.
I am glad for one that Simon was able to tell his story. I have known at least three very able and good colleagues take there own lives. Perhaps if they had read his book, it may have helped.
I believe the job I do is probably the best in the world, otherwise I wouldnt do it.
Read the book, I think you may learn a lot from it, if only about yourself.
L/Cpl R.M. (Retd).
