I've taken drugs but i know it was a thing of my past when i was younger. I would never touch the things again and certainly don't associate with people that do. To be honest if them lads did get drugs that night i would of gone straight to my Troop Commander, would i be a grass? NO, Im making sure myself and the lads that are straight headed are not in any danger.
By the way 2 million pills get swollowed every night.
EDIT - guys try not to turn this into an argument just a discussion.
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mancuniankid
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all very good points...
The only reson i belive it could be helpful medicaly is because the person im on about haden't stood up unasisted in around 1-2 years. As MS is a progresional illness (gets worse over time). But after they drank a pot of this tea they stood up unasisted, not very well they where shakey and it was early stages so some movment in the legs was still left.
so im not claming its a mirical or anything but it also helped alot of pain and stiffness and haveing known that this perosn goes through quite abit of pain becasue of MS the fact that this helped, i belive should be taken into acount and was by no means somehting done for recrational purposes and i personaly am looking forward to seeing the results of the testing that is going on at the moment concerning the pill form of canabis which the NHS is looking into.
Hope this made sense
stokey
P.S. i second the fact there is no place in the armed forces for drugs. also i would like to agree with the fact a pilled up or stoned man is much less agresive but then again i no alot of people who even when drunk are very fraindly people... i think it's a case of personalty, suroundings etc
It doesn't offend me, it a personal oppinion, and like has been said the resurch is in early stages and tests are actually being run at the moment, the person i know who used to use canabis in tea form for MS is actually takeing part in test where the canabis is in a pill form (this doens't have the geting high affects) but may help with other aspecs for the illness.Sorry if that offends you mate. Drug use is a sad thing.
The only reson i belive it could be helpful medicaly is because the person im on about haden't stood up unasisted in around 1-2 years. As MS is a progresional illness (gets worse over time). But after they drank a pot of this tea they stood up unasisted, not very well they where shakey and it was early stages so some movment in the legs was still left.
so im not claming its a mirical or anything but it also helped alot of pain and stiffness and haveing known that this perosn goes through quite abit of pain becasue of MS the fact that this helped, i belive should be taken into acount and was by no means somehting done for recrational purposes and i personaly am looking forward to seeing the results of the testing that is going on at the moment concerning the pill form of canabis which the NHS is looking into.
Hope this made sense
stokey
P.S. i second the fact there is no place in the armed forces for drugs. also i would like to agree with the fact a pilled up or stoned man is much less agresive but then again i no alot of people who even when drunk are very fraindly people... i think it's a case of personalty, suroundings etc
Oh good, you can guarantee it. Well, that's me done. No possible argument to that!degrees of passion wrote:i can guarantee you'll never get any trouble off someone pilled up or stoned
Except maybe this guy... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds ... 033077.stm Hacked to death by someone off his head.
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Had this argument before, haven't we...
Thought I'd stay out this time since Degrees is putting up quite a spirited and well-informed fight. But:
As for the rest of it, I'll just repeat what degrees said: it's a pretty stupid thing to get fired for.
[EDIT: Brain clearly was engaged, I see now what he meant replying to degrees there, my bad.
I would also point out that you definitely can be violent on drugs, but in practice all of the people I know/knew when taking all kinds of drugs were mellow as a sloth. In fact, the only person I ever encountered being even close to violent on drugs was me, and after that night I stopped taking, before something Bad happened. In contrast many, if not most, people I know become more violent when they drink. In fact, one of the reasons I took drugs back in the day was that those people were much, much fun to be around, and you suddenly realise what utter & complete assholes most drunk people are.]
Thought I'd stay out this time since Degrees is putting up quite a spirited and well-informed fight. But:
Oh dear oh dear. If you are going to patronise people foxtrot, at least get it right. Alcohol is not 'a toxin', toxins are produced by biological organisms, alcohol is produced by biological organisms decaying. It can, of course, be toxic, and it does have a toxicity level, but then so does water. It is 'a drug' insomuch as there is a definition for that word, namely a inessential dietary compound consumed to produce an altered biological state. For future reference: it is also possible for something to be both a drug, and a toxin.foxtrotgolf wrote:Ha ha degrees you make me chuckle.
'Grow up'.
By drugs I am referring to illegal substances which alter your state of mind.
IMO, anyone who uses these substances, is a waste of space.
Sorry if that offends you mate. Drug use is a sad thing. Yes there are limited medicinal purposes for Marijuana. That does not change my opinion.
Still chuckling BTW!
PS ALcohol is a toxin, not a drug, sorry to be pedantic and all that.
As for the rest of it, I'll just repeat what degrees said: it's a pretty stupid thing to get fired for.
...and there were hundreds of thousands of other lads not in the papers in Manchester every weekend that didn't stab anyone to death while pilled up. There are, however, column inches in the papers every weekend about alcohol-related violence.mancuniankid wrote:Yeah and there was a lad in the papers in Manchester a few years ago that stabbed his brothers ex girlfriend to death while pilled up.
[EDIT: Brain clearly was engaged, I see now what he meant replying to degrees there, my bad.
I would also point out that you definitely can be violent on drugs, but in practice all of the people I know/knew when taking all kinds of drugs were mellow as a sloth. In fact, the only person I ever encountered being even close to violent on drugs was me, and after that night I stopped taking, before something Bad happened. In contrast many, if not most, people I know become more violent when they drink. In fact, one of the reasons I took drugs back in the day was that those people were much, much fun to be around, and you suddenly realise what utter & complete assholes most drunk people are.]
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Look some people take drugs to have a good time some for medication and everybody reacts differently nobody can say a drug does this just because it happened to one person, its like alcohol, some people get hyper off it, others agressive so theres no point arguing about it because its still going to happen and probaly get worse 
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ok i'll concede that prolonged and extensive use of strong strains of cannabis can trigger or certainly accelerate pychosis,but if the person was stoned at the time then this just reinforces the point that he must have been really f@#k up in the head because the last thing any normal person wants to do when stoned is try and exert themselves to cause physical harm to anyone.The point i was making was that comparatively,alcohol seems to induce violence in people,not all,but certainly more than pills and weed.
First of all,when your stoned your in a relaxed state and all you want to do is chill out,not fight people.Secondly,well,ecstasy isnt called the love drug for anything,ive never seen anyone even try to be violent when on e,unless its an extremely vigorous hug lol.
Then there's the argument that i think someone else has put foreward,that these pyschotic murderers would have probably murdered anyway,but because a certain drug is in their system it all of a sudden becomes the fault of the drug.It again highlights my point of government spin and media hype on the issue,like the leah betts case for example...
the media made out as though this was an innocent young girl who had never taken e before(not true),and curiously tried it and died as a result.suddenly she became the government anti drug campaign and they made out as though 'this is what will happen if you take an e',when it should of read 'this is what will happen if you dont use your basic common sense after taking e'.In reality,like 99.9% of all other e related deaths,it wasnt the mdma that killed her(as statistically a negligible % of people are allergic to mdma,as contrary to popular belief its near impossible to overdose on mdma(i read your more likely to drown in the bath!),but her failure to correctly deal with the effects of e,or in this case going too far in countering the effects,ie/drinking far too much water and not intaking any salts.
It is this thing that annoys me so much,the naive assumption that by simply popping this 'evil' pill can strike you down dead in an instant-In reality,if your sensible and use common sense to deal with the effects,then the risk is,i would say,minnimal-an example being the huge number of users that use e regularly,and have not died on the spot.
Again, i would however like to reinforce my previous point that as far as we are concerned,any sort of illegal drug use is not acceptable in the forces FULL STOP,so this discussion is going off on a bit of an unecessary tangent,im glad someone with more than half a brain(sarastro) has actually piped up though,its demeaning trying to engage in a discussion with some of our less-learned friends
First of all,when your stoned your in a relaxed state and all you want to do is chill out,not fight people.Secondly,well,ecstasy isnt called the love drug for anything,ive never seen anyone even try to be violent when on e,unless its an extremely vigorous hug lol.
Then there's the argument that i think someone else has put foreward,that these pyschotic murderers would have probably murdered anyway,but because a certain drug is in their system it all of a sudden becomes the fault of the drug.It again highlights my point of government spin and media hype on the issue,like the leah betts case for example...
the media made out as though this was an innocent young girl who had never taken e before(not true),and curiously tried it and died as a result.suddenly she became the government anti drug campaign and they made out as though 'this is what will happen if you take an e',when it should of read 'this is what will happen if you dont use your basic common sense after taking e'.In reality,like 99.9% of all other e related deaths,it wasnt the mdma that killed her(as statistically a negligible % of people are allergic to mdma,as contrary to popular belief its near impossible to overdose on mdma(i read your more likely to drown in the bath!),but her failure to correctly deal with the effects of e,or in this case going too far in countering the effects,ie/drinking far too much water and not intaking any salts.
It is this thing that annoys me so much,the naive assumption that by simply popping this 'evil' pill can strike you down dead in an instant-In reality,if your sensible and use common sense to deal with the effects,then the risk is,i would say,minnimal-an example being the huge number of users that use e regularly,and have not died on the spot.
Again, i would however like to reinforce my previous point that as far as we are concerned,any sort of illegal drug use is not acceptable in the forces FULL STOP,so this discussion is going off on a bit of an unecessary tangent,im glad someone with more than half a brain(sarastro) has actually piped up though,its demeaning trying to engage in a discussion with some of our less-learned friends
Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, 'This was their finest hour'
I don't think you should be referring to any members as "less-learned". Your posts on this topic have become ridiculously grandiose, verging on narcisstic. As for your know-it-all view on drug use , are you an ectacsy promoter Mr Passion?
When someone questions your views, rise above them, instead of squabbling in a uncontrollable manner
, are you an ectacsy promoter Mr Passion?When someone questions your views, rise above them, instead of squabbling in a uncontrollable manner
Actually he just seems to be speaking from having some experience with people doing drugs, which isn't something most people on here ever do. Time and time again they are all too happy to condemn something they know squat about, based (it seems) mostly on bad information from a discredited government drugs policy & hysterical media. I'd call that attitude fairly uneducated. By the way, if someone questions your views when they demonstrably know bugger all about the subject, it's healthy to squabble a little - unless you think opinions are sacrosanct & thus always right?
To sum up: Taking drugs can and will mess you up & nobody should do them while in the Forces. Nobody here is disagreeing on that. Aside from that, the more vocal anti-drug crowd here might learn something from taking on board those who actually have some experience, just like they would with any other topic, instead of just shouting their ignorance.
To sum up: Taking drugs can and will mess you up & nobody should do them while in the Forces. Nobody here is disagreeing on that. Aside from that, the more vocal anti-drug crowd here might learn something from taking on board those who actually have some experience, just like they would with any other topic, instead of just shouting their ignorance.
Hear, hear.Sarastro wrote: To sum up: Taking drugs can and will mess you up & nobody should do them while in the Forces. Nobody here is disagreeing on that. Aside from that, the more vocal anti-drug crowd here might learn something from taking on board those who actually have some experience, just like they would with any other topic, instead of just shouting their ignorance.
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Well thank you for demonstrating my point in the difficulty in engaging with the 'less-learned'-Obviously some members dont know anything about the subject yet still argue the point,so on the contrary its absolutely fair to call them that.ADDiction wrote:I don't think you should be referring to any members as "less-learned". Your posts on this topic have become ridiculously grandiose, verging on narcisstic. As for your know-it-all view on drug use
When someone questions your views, rise above them, instead of squabbling in a uncontrollable manner
I apologise if i seem patronising to some,but i have alot of experience and done alot of research in the past about this topic,and while not claiming to 'know it all',i certainly know plenty and it just annoys me when certain people argue a point that they know nothing about-If my knowledge on certain things is limited then i tend to tread carefully and not argue too much over something i dont know much about.With regard to this forum,i think it has a definite parallel with certain young wannabe marines undermining older members(who have been there and done it) or serving or retired members of other armed services like the army.
Rise above them?NO.surely the point of a forum is to contest views,engage in discussions and debates.Its only squabbling when you argue for the sake of it,which it appears to be exactly what you are doing.
Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, 'This was their finest hour'
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Interesting to see that those who despise members who know nothing on the subject, then go on to make assumptions regarding my knowledge. No one on this forum is an expert on me, yet obviously some of you believe you are. You know nothing of my education of drugs.
However, I'm sure I am a "less-learned" member of this forum so don't ask me.
However, I'm sure I am a "less-learned" member of this forum so don't ask me.
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Ok we wont ask youADDiction wrote:Interesting to see that those who despise members who know nothing on the subject, then go on to make assumptions regarding my knowledge. No one on this forum is an expert on me, yet obviously some of you believe you are. You know nothing of my education of drugs.
However, I'm sure I am a "less-learned" member of this forum so don't ask me.
I dont think this should turn into a slanging match,stop getting hung up on trying to force an argument and lets stick to debating topics.I never made assumptions on your knowledge of drugs,i just simply didnt agree with your previous post and think rather than engaging with the debate your just trying to argue for the sake of it.If you are knowledgeble on the topic then lets have some input and we can discuss it.If not,then dont post.
Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, 'This was their finest hour'
Personally this topic bores me, as it is discussed relentlessly, anywhere and everywhere. The reason behind my submitted post, is based on your insult towards Stokey. I don't participate in "slagging" matches, and certainly don't create them.
I believe this thread is now a debate of drug abuse, instead of drug abuse within the armed forces.
I apologise for contemplating members assumptions.
I believe this thread is now a debate of drug abuse, instead of drug abuse within the armed forces.
I apologise for contemplating members assumptions.
