RM training on sky news

[Ayrey]

Interesting news.

Could we possibly see in the future, the Royal Marines becoming a little bigger and replacing most Army battalions, as I've noticed the MOD are insistant on cutting the Army right down, especially in regards to infantry - any truth to this?

As I remember, the MOD is looking for a much smaller and more rapidly deployable force, so it wouldn't surprise me if they cut the infantry battalions down to bare minimum (that they can get away with) and slightly increase the size of the Royal Marines so that they can handle what used to be the Army's job.

Just spouting out random rubbish as usual

[Galant]

Well I think it's important to remember that although Sky News spins this as a 'softening of standards' the actual changes do not make things any easier, they simply serve to open up the playing field to more players and keep players in the game. The goals are still the same.

[DLink011]

i think its an advertising campaign...
people see it and think, well its getting easier i might give it a go, and they obviously end up falling in love with the way of life and the responsibilities etc.

there for its free advertising! something richard branson is a genuis at.
i say good on The RM if that is true.
though if it is getting easier i dont htink it iwll be alot easier.

[jockladfaejockland]

I don't think it's fair to say it's easier it's like a slate on the guys that have recently passed out or those who are in the process of doing so now if by giving the lads a chance to get better in hunter then crack on is lowering standards I'd say bollocks! and as for lowering minimum height there are lads up here in the FPGRM no bigger than 5 foot 5 and are nails the same as most of the bootnecks up here.


I've ad me say now i'll fark off.

[Alfa]

The media always latch on to the most dramatic stories and this is probably no different. They immediately go with head lines like Royal Marines are to make trainning easier to boost numbers etc... because it grabs peoples attention.

What the Marines are probably going to do, if anything, is soften their approach to recruits and cut out some of the bullshit. I doubt any of the physical requirements will change so I wouldn't worry about it if I were you.

I think this is probably a good move if you want to boost retention because a lot of recruits who can physically hack it get fed up of being constantly pissed about needlessly and decide to go back to civvie street where they probably got shown more respect.

People today will put up with hard work but they are less likely to put up with someone making their life miserable just for the sake of it and thats probably what the Marines will be trying to avoid. But that doesn't mean you have to make it easier physically, if you mess up you'll still get thrashed but you just probably won't get thrashed cause the corporal thought it'd be a good laugh.

Thats just my thoughts on the subject anyway guys

[Worthers Original]

I'd have thought that the psychological pressure they put you under is as much a part of the training/testing as the physical side of things. It might seem like BS (and in the case of drill it probably is) but it still probably plays a part in the grand scheme of putting you in a tough mental state which is what you'd be in if you were actually in a war situation.

[james_m]

...a lot of recruits who can physically hack it get fed up of being constantly pissed about needlessly and decide to go back to civvie street where they probably got shown more respect.

Isnt that half the test?

I suspect there are quite a few who can meet the physical standards but in my opinion the real test lies in the constant pressure, beastings, and the constant drain that training has i.e. lack of sleep etc..

Just my opinion.

Cheers
James

[sneaky beaky]

dannyd,

Sorry, for the late reply but what follows, just emphasises my point.

PS if the video link doesn't work, try clicking on the video link in the news article. It took a few attempts for it to work for me.

If I don't know what the URL is CLEARLY about in the first place, why should I look at it?

I don't have the time to investigate all the URL's, that posters keep sending in, UNLESS THEY SAY WHAT THEY ARE - AND ARE OF SOME INTEREST!!

Sneaky

[DLink011]

im a fan of american football, and being a sunday there are always loads of games on sky sports.
within the last 1 hour or so, i reckon i have seen the royal marines advert 4 times!
very clever to advertise on a channel that is watched by alot of guys.
good marketing and advertising knowledge!

just thought i would let everyone know.

[Alfa]

...a lot of recruits who can physically hack it get fed up of being constantly pissed about needlessly and decide to go back to civvie street where they probably got shown more respect.

Isnt that half the test?

I suspect there are quite a few who can meet the physical standards but in my opinion the real test lies in the constant pressure, beastings, and the constant drain that training has i.e. lack of sleep etc..

Just my opinion.

Cheers
James

I wasn't talking about things like lack of sleep, beastings or drill etc.... I was talking about the training staff deliberately making life harder for their recruits for no reason at all. When my brother-in-law was in the army his corporals would have them doing things like cleaning the floor with toothbrushes and other stuff like that either because they were in a bad mood or thought it was funny

Now this is definately BS and doesn't make for a better soldier and thats the sought of thing I was talking about. If you read my post again you'll see I talked about cutting out needless stuff not anything which contributes to the actually effectivness of the trainning provided.

[letsrole]

im a fan of american football, and being a sunday there are always loads of games on sky sports.
within the last 1 hour or so, i reckon i have seen the royal marines advert 4 times!
very clever to advertise on a channel that is watched by alot of guys.
good marketing and advertising knowledge!

just thought i would let everyone know.

Is that the 'new' one that's supposed to be out? Because I'm yet to see that one, what happens on it? Or was it the old one where a recrut goes through the tunnel, you know the whats your limit one.

[dalo]

I agree with what was said earlier that this change is simply opening the door to more players, For example not binning people in hunter and the height subject, just so there are more recruits filtering through. Also to be honest in the sky news video it was said a few times that the standards are the same, and the guy at the end stated clearly that "the standard is the standard". At the end of the day the main part of the training the commando tests havent changed and if the "Standard is the standard" then i dont think they will change.

[Dave_n]

I wasn't talking about things like lack of sleep, beastings or drill etc.... I was talking about the training staff deliberately making life harder for their recruits for no reason at all. When my brother-in-law was in the army his corporals would have them doing things like cleaning the floor with toothbrushes and other stuff like that either because they were in a bad mood or thought it was funny

Now this is definately BS and doesn't make for a better soldier and thats the sought of thing I was talking about. If you read my post again you'll see I talked about cutting out needless stuff not anything which contributes to the actually effectivness of the trainning provided.

Its not BS and i totally disagree with the fact that recruits are made to do these stupid things for no reason. It teaches all the recruits to do what their superiors tell them without question (not killing innocent people) but routine BS jobs out in the field

[DLink011]

where the guy goes into the water tunnel and gets stuck. then gets released and the corpral says "good lad" thats it i seen that one loads of time,i heard the one on the radio where there is the sound of sea and it says bored, if so dont call bla bla bla, (marine lookout)

[dalo]

There is a few good ones on the net, has anyone came accross any of these such as the press up one etc.