potential solution for muslim fundamentalist terrorism...

[Bliartheliar]

The long term objectives of 'al Qaeda' is to bring down the political boundaries that divide the Muslim community - in other words, remove the governments in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iraq, etc, etc. These are the aims shared by millions of other muslims accorss the world - but the difference is that they do this peacefully.

Its a total misconception to say that thier aim is to destroy western society and the infidels. True, the goals of individual terrorists attacks is to kill innocents in order to manipulate the government. This is why they must be stopped.

Remmeber, there actions are politicaly based. They just believe that thier religion justifies there tactics - ovcourse this is a misrepresentation of Islamic teachings. When Bin Laden makes his speeches about infidels and the crusader allience, he is simply spreading propaganda because he knows that this will inspire angry Muslims to go out and bomb western targets. He is not bothered about how many poeple are killed, but the political consequences.

This is not a clash of civilisations - they do not dispise all things non-Muslim. They are pissed off about our foreign policies in the middle East.

Domestic Islamic extremism has its roots in oppression - the governments of places such as Algeria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Yemen arrest and torture those that they consider a threat, ie: Islamists.

The role of Osama Bin Laden was to unite those domestic groups and prove to them that thier struggles were in vain as long as thier enemies main contributor, the US, continued to give its support. Therefore they decided to attack the US to try and force it to rethink its foreign policies in the middle East - therefore you get International Islamic extremists.

The attacked the US for giving support to the regimes in the middel East (Israel being but one). They attacked us for supporting America. They want the UK to stop supporting the US in Afghanistan and Iraq and they want the US to stop giving support to Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc. They did not bomb us because we are a chrsitian country.

[Bliartheliar]

What? Arrest, torture and kill every man, woman and child who believes in Islam?

We wont even send aslym seekers back to places like Egypt, Algeria and Sadui Arabia for fear that they will be tortured and killed. Yet anybody who hates thier governments is branded a terrorist, so that western support is guarenteed. And when we give these places miliatry andpolitical support, we are playing into the hands of extremist groups. Its inevitable that some will want to take thier fight home to us.


http://www.hizb-ut-tahrir.org/english/english.html

Regarding my earlier posts, the above group has been outlawed in many countries and branded a terrorist group or an extremsist group. It is neither, but a legitimate political group that seeks to replace tyrannical regimes with Islamic states. When our government calls these people extremists and terrorists, it is causing a divide that will lead to anger, resentment and consequently terrorism.

If you hold misconceptions to 'al Qaeda' and the peaceful Islamic political movement, you are contributing to divde and anger and terrorism. Untill the politicians tell it like it is the threat will not go away.

However, the fact of the matter is that millions still read the tabloids and believe every word that Blair and Bush say, therefore misconceptions are treated as facts. That is exactly why we will have to endure terrorism for the rst of our lives.

[Adrale]

Those who chose the tactic of terrorism are only a minority, and this is a credit to the Muslim community.

Nonsense. You should look into this a bit more. Usama is very well regarded in the muslim world. Ive read opinion polls that show him as being admired by 75% of muslims. Just because they dont strap on a bomb and hit the paradise button on a crowded train dont mean they are peaceful. Im in southern Thailand right now where the goverment is going through the same thing. At the cafe across from my hotel, 3 muslims walked in and cut a monks head off with a machete in front of other customers. Ive been up and down the Muslim world and peace isnt part of their culture. Nor is being Brisitsh. You keep letting them into the UK and your just gonna get more of the same.

[Bliartheliar]

I agree - if there is evidence that they are terrorists then by all means beat the shit out of them untill they talk. But my point is that these days anybody who is against our poliices is branded an extremist and terrorist. If you go and beat the shit out of all of them, you are going to turn the Muslim communtiy against the rest of us, and vice-versa.

Then what will ahppen - Muslims will be scared to voice thier legitimate grieviences and Britain will effectively beomce an oppressive state.

If you label them all as terrorists, you will be isolating peaceful people, instead of working with them. Thene extremism will become more and more widespread.

[Bliartheliar]

Those who chose the tactic of terrorism are only a minority, and this is a credit to the Muslim community.

Nonsense. You should look into this a bit more. Usama is very well regarded in the muslim world. Ive read opinion polls that show him as being admired by 75% of muslims. Just because they dont strap on a bomb and hit the paradise button on a crowded train dont mean they are peaceful. Im in southern Thailand right now where the goverment is going through the same thing. At the cafe across from my hotel, 3 muslims walked in and cut a monks head off with a machete in front of other customers. Ive been up and down the Muslim world and peace isnt part of their culture. Nor is being Brisitsh. You keep letting them into the UK and your just gonna get more of the same.

Are you sying that terrorists are supported by the majority of Muslims? They may dislike America, and are glad that someone is standing up against them, but I highly odubt 75% of them believe that killing innocent men and women is justified. The extremists are a very small minority, the terrorists themselves are an even smaller minority.

[Jobag]

What i really object to, is the fact that we allow people into this country who then go on to preach and stir up hatred which leads to terrorism like the London bombings. If they really dont like this country, why the hell did they come and live here?

We have freedom of speech in this country, but it has gone too far now, and im afraid the government is acting too late. We should stop pissing around trying to be Politically correct, and get these nutcases out of Britain.

[Chappy]

The Western world cant seem to grasp that Muslims arent nationalistic, and Muslims cant seem to grasp the West isnt bound to its religous 'brothers and sisters'. This tends to lead to problems...

[mfat_man]

how can al quida's long term objectives be right?

Niave???

And having got their way on one thing who's to say it won't change to sometning else....

My view is the UK is too soft to deal with these issues and now we have cossetted them with the human rights act. I hope I am wrong but I only see trouble ahead

[dootybooty]

Whats all this muslim community crap? I thought community meant people living together. We are supposed to be one community in Great Britain. A British Community. To say muslim, shik or afro carribian, kurdish or even polish community creates division. We have allowed people who do not respect our traditions or way of life to make their homes in this country, a country it seems many of them despise. We have allowed them to gehttoise themselves and import so called holy men, who do not even speak our language, to preach against us.
I have been horrified to hear young muslims talking about turning us into an islamic country.
These people are ignorant uneducated peasants who show no desire to assimilate into western european society, they live in the middle ages, taking the benefits of our way of life and spitting in our faces at the same time. Yes I agree, we should not be in Iraq and the Jews have been arseholes to the Palestinians, but flying planes into buildings and blowing up trains or nightclubs is not going to change things.
The only solution is to remove these people and their supporters from OUR COMMUNITY. Send them back to their third world flea pits if they do not want to be BRITISH or subscribe to our way of life. If they want to British and aspire to our values fine, let them stay.

[Peds]

"I have been horrified to hear young muslims talking about turning us into an islamic country. "

The piece on Newsnight the other night (Tuesday?) horrified me... people talking about how when Shariah law is instigated in this country when Muslim rule is established, regardless of what the British people think about it they will have to live by extremist Islamic teachings...
They are all a load of bloody nutjobs!

[Marina]

Peds, I saw that programme too.

I wasn't surprised. I just see them as severely mentally impaired individuals who need electroconvulsive therapy.

[Bliartheliar]

What i really object to, is the fact that we allow people into this country who then go on to preach and stir up hatred which leads to terrorism like the London bombings. If they really dont like this country, why the hell did they come and live here?

We have freedom of speech in this country, but it has gone too far now, and im afraid the government is acting too late. We should stop pissing around trying to be Politically correct, and get these nutcases out of Britain.

I agree in principle to the first comment - we shouldnt really allow them here. But then again, if you expell them they are just going to preach thier contraversial viewpoint elsewhere. Witht eh internet and television, they dont have to be physical in contact with thier audience. And if they are here, at least you can keep on eye on them and who they meet. Like racism, its better to allow people to express thier viewpoints and then argue against them. Banning these people will not change thier beliefs. Many of these preachers also have hundreds of followers (not extremists by any means) who wouldnt want to see thier clerics and friends/family deported. To do so would create resentment. Then what are we supposed to do - deport them. Sooner or later anyone who holds Islamic beliefs would be deported.