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My legs are still f***ed

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My legs are still f***ed

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Really annoying me now. My CV is fine, I can beast a rowing machine but running is shite! My shins are in bits after only 5mins running (and thats after a months rest). My calves also burn like mad ( similar to doing calf raises) when Im ruinning! My trainers are proper running trianers so whats the crack boys? Guess Ive just got shit legs!
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Do you stretch the calves well before you run? Stretching the front of the shin (tibialis?) helped my splints mate.
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How do you do that mate?
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No mate, how do you do that? Was hoping it wasnt splints, surely I cant be gettin them after only 5mins running, thats bad! Were yours that bad mate? Are they sorted now?
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You tried orthotic insouls?
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kevo66 wrote:No mate, how do you do that? Was hoping it wasnt splints, surely I cant be gettin them after only 5mins running, thats bad! Were yours that bad mate? Are they sorted now?
Mine can come on after literally 30 seconds running... and that's after nearly 3 years off..... :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

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mr.zog wrote:You tried orthotic insouls?
What are they mate? I have some kind of shock reducing ones in my trainers.

DWW, so I guess it is splint then, bugger! How have you managed with them? Are you in the corps or training? I get mine all the time, think PRMC would be fun with them!
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bird wrote:How do you do that mate?
Yeh mine were awful, especially after skipping. I have lost a lot weight whilst training which has definatley made them better.

I still get a mild ache after training sometimes especially if i've been to circuits and done a lot of tuck jumps etc. but stretching them before and after seems to have made a big difference. Took a couple of weeks for me mind.

http://www.ottawaphysio.com/shinsplints.htm

The one on the bottom right is the one I do, but I understand there are other versions. In fact I just saw one on another site that looked easier.
This was just my experience though lads.
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Kev, you need to go and see a podiatrist / orthopaedic consultant ASAP from the sound of it.

Orthotics are tailor made and moulded inserts, unique to your feet and running action, designed to give you as much of a neutral gait as possible. Still trying to get mine sorted properly... :evil:

I'd seriously consider postponing your PRMC. I went for my POC with splints, and as a stupid 18 year old I decided I was hard enough to run through the pain on a full box of ibuprofen a day.

That was the single, most stupid thing I've ever done.

I'm still not in a position where I can start training properly again yet, 3 years on due to the damage I did. As opposed to taking a couple of months off, I cracked on, and cleverly developed stress fractures too. I sometimes can't even walk fast.

At least my surgeon has said it's not the worst case he's seen!

Not trying to scare you, but you need to think about this properly in my opinion.


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Cheers for that fellas.

GGHT, I will give that a try mate, cant do any harm!

Dave, thanks for that, I was about to go and apply for PRMC but I think I'll go see a podiatrist / orthopaedic consultant. Just dont want it to go on my med docs! Also, I wont be able to use those on PRMC will mate?
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DWW,
Thanks for the info mate. I think a fair few Marine recruits come out early with splints, I know me mates cousin did.
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It's probably a technique/bio-mechanic problem, go to a podiatrist and they will sort you out.
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Try a combination of lower leg stretches and lower leg muscle building. A simple excercise is the old classic of rotating your foot from the ankle clockwise and then counter-clockwise for 20 reps each before and after stretchoing your ankles, shins, calves, toes, arch etc. Search online for good leg stretches. Stretch mildly after a 10 min warmup before running but be gentle. After running give yourself a proper stretching session. Yoga and the like might sound a bit gay but i've heard good things about subsequent injury propensity decreasing considerably. Never made it myself yet, but who knows?

Also give your legs a rest and for heaven's sake keep of any hard surfaces running especially treadmills and pavement. Look to smooth grass as a running surface instead. Get your feet, legs, knees and hips conditioned to running on soft surfaces for a considerable time before considering any hard surfaces.

Orthotics are still up for debate as to their success/costs etc. However there are some good general Footbeds out there that aren't that expensive. I have used Superfeet Green Insoles in my walking boots and they are excellent. Even better for running in are an american brand called Sole Custom Footbeds (I really like the Sole Ultra footbed for running).

Anyone with any sort of foot problem (sport, running, blisters) I would recommend (swear by my life) a book called "Fixing Your Feet" by John Vonhof. Frankly anyone who runs, hikes or does any activity MUST read this book. This guy also has a website with free advice. Google and find it. Take note all successful PRMCers this book has the best footcare and blister prevention, cure tips on earth. Forget your old zinc oxide tape and vaseline as the catch-all-cure...

In the seminal book The Lore Of Running, Tim Noakes states that almost every running injury is curable, I definitly subscribe to this. So don't worry kevo66 with the correct sports podiatristor sports doc or new training approach you will be fine. I now love distance running and three years ago I couldn't do more than 1 miles before my knee was f@#k and both shins on fire.
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If you talking about shin splints, the only way I founf that helps is constant running on concrete. I do my 8 milers on concrete, with trainers(shite ones). If you talking about fatigue of the muscle in the shin then the only way to help that is stretching it, it heppens to me when wearing pro-boots, they make you lift the front of your toes up and this causes extreme fatigue because you not used to it. as for calfs, This happened to me until I grasped the basics and importance of stretching from my PTI, :lol: the hard way, I find stretching the calfs by leaning against a wall the best way, no probs! :lol:
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[quote="Felias"]If you talking about shin splints, the only way I founf that helps is constant running on concrete. I do my 8 milers on concrete quote]


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